Opinion Gawn, Petracca, Oliver & Viney - Is it time for the Dees to break up the Beatles?

[Mr Meow]

Nah we'll take him down at Tigerland.

4 years at 750k, trade a future 2nd

Yes please. Do not want him at the Cats. We have enough turnover merchants, but at least they are quick linebreakers.

 

[demondavey]

New coach required.

A new coach will get something from Oliver.

 

[_jrtp09_]

New coach required.

A new coach will get something from Oliver.

I’m happy seeing Goodwin coach the Demons for the next 10 seasons. Trade Oliver, he clearly doesn’t want to be there.

 

[rapidfire7]

He's cooked on field and would not go near given his off field concerns.

I hear you, but we were certainly ok with him last year it seems and we desperately need a strong clearance player like him moving forward if we are going to win a flag in next few years IMO.

A heavily performance based contract could be the answer maybe, but I genuinely feel a new environment could help him recapture close to his best. Clearly, you don't agree and have completely written him off, but don't forget that he is a 4 time B&F winner who is still only 27.

 

[Robroy22]

Is it time?
It was time last year, now I'm not so sure other clubs would be interested or that the Dees would receive anything in return.

 

[Pistol Night]

I hear you, but we were certainly ok with him last year it seems and we desperately need a strong clearance player like him moving forward if we are going to win a flag in next few years IMO.

A heavily performance based contract could be the answer maybe, but I genuinely feel a new environment could help him recapture close to his best. Clearly, you don't agree and have completely written him off, but don't forget that he is a 4 time B&F winner who is still only 27.

There's only so many shit kicks of the footy you can hide in your side in todays game

 

[rapidfire7]

There's only so many shit kicks of the footy you can hide in your side in todays game

Yep. He's nowhere near our first choice I'm sure.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Is Max Gawn

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Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

any good?

I know individually he's a gun ruckman. Lots of Hitouts, plenty of down the line Contested Marks and that shit.

But I tend to feel his overall impact is a bit overrated.

It just defies logic that they've had Oliver, Viney and Petracca for the best part of a decade - and aside from one year they've been kind of average.

And let's be frank - moving Gawn out of the ruck that night pretty much won them the flag.

I'm not a Gawn hater. He's clearly a good player - but I would absolutely pick Xerri, that bloke from Hawthorn and TDK (before he got hurt) over Gawn. They all seem to influence the result more than him IMO.

 

[Young Redleg]

Is Max Gawn any good?

I know individually he's a gun ruckman. Lots of Hitouts, plenty of down the line Contested Marks and that shit.

But I tend to feel his overall impact is a bit overrated.

It just defies logic that they've had Oliver, Viney and Petracca for the best part of a decade - and aside from one year they've been kind of average.

And let's be frank - moving Gawn out of the ruck that night pretty much won them the flag.

I'm not a Gawn hater. He's clearly a good player - but I would absolutely pick Xerri, that bloke from Hawthorn and TDK (before he got hurt) over Gawn. They all seem to influence the result more than him IMO.

That's literally one of the dumbest takes I've ever read.

You say that taking him out of the ruck won us a flag while ignoring that in the same year he kicked a goal after the siren against Geelong to make us minor premiers and booted 5 goals in the preliminary final just few weeks later.

And it's completely delusional to suggest that TDK influences games more than him considering that you're basically using team success as a measure of impact. His team has mostly been shit outside of one good patch at the end of 2023. I dare you to name one game where TDK was more destructive than Gawn at his best.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

That's literally one of the dumbest takes I've ever read.

You say that taking him out of the ruck won us a flag while ignoring that in the same year he kicked a goal after the siren against Geelong to make us minor premiers and booted 5 goals in the preliminary final just few weeks later.

And it's completely delusional to suggest that TDK influences games more than him considering that you're basically using team success as a measure of impact. His team has mostly been shit outside of one good patch at the end of 2023. I dare you to name one game where TDK was more destructive than Gawn at his best.

So that's a Yes from you?

 

[Crusty Demon]

Is Max Gawn any good?

I know individually he's a gun ruckman. Lots of Hitouts, plenty of down the line Contested Marks and that shit.

But I tend to feel his overall impact is a bit overrated.

It just defies logic that they've had Oliver, Viney and Petracca for the best part of a decade - and aside from one year they've been kind of average.

And let's be frank - moving Gawn out of the ruck that night pretty much won them the flag.

I'm not a Gawn hater. He's clearly a good player - but I would absolutely pick Xerri, that bloke from Hawthorn and TDK (before he got hurt) over Gawn. They all seem to influence the result more than him IMO.

Wow! Just wow! This is quite possibly the worst take I've ever read on here. And that's saying something. Just wow

 

[Crusty Demon]

Yes is the answer.

Oliver is a perfect fit for Adelaide or Geelong who need a pure extractor. We pay a chunk of the salary or a contract is negotiated and an end of first round selection is about right. Both teams there abouts. Would be risk/reward type of thing and both have no need for a late first round pick.

I'd happily trade Viney for a late 2nd rounder to a struggling team like North. But Dees will hold him because of his last name and we just signed him up for another few. Doubt it will happen.

Gawn isn't needed in this conversation. Going nowhere.

Trac is an interesting proposition. Not near his best this year, but he showed last weekend against the Kangas he can still bring a BOG. Mentally how shot is he over that injury? I think Dees will hold onto him, but if they want to fast track a rebuild then it might be worth putting him on the trade table. I think a club would happily give a top 10 pick for him, maybe higher? But doubt if Oliver goes that the club would entertain trading Trac.

Personally I'd trade out Oliver and Viney and keep Gawn and Trac. We have Langford, Windsor, Lindsay, Riv, Koz and even Sparrow(even McVee) all capable or looking for midfield minutes.

 

[Osho]

Beatles had equivalent 4, maybe 5, or even 6, GREAT seasons (albums). So, I think Dees 1 flag is more a Bay City Rollers.

Having said that, I think the Dees big four have a fair bit left to offer yet, as they regenerate youth and adjust the game plan.

 

[Young Redleg]

Wow! Just wow! This is quite possibly the worst take I've ever read on here. And that's saying something. Just wow

I literally spit out my tea when I read that TDK is more influential than Gawn

 

[Crusty Demon]

I literally spit out my tea when I read that TDK is more influential than Gawn

He'd pick "that bloke from Hawthorn" over Gawn lol

We won the flag because he was pulled out of the ruck for 5 minutes lol

Overall impact overrated lol

It's all Gawn's fault why Dees have only won 1 flag and been a bit ordinary overall lol

Some zingers on here.

 

[Trav 20]

Is Max Gawn any good?

I know individually he's a gun ruckman. Lots of Hitouts, plenty of down the line Contested Marks and that shit.

But I tend to feel his overall impact is a bit overrated.

It just defies logic that they've had Oliver, Viney and Petracca for the best part of a decade - and aside from one year they've been kind of average.

And let's be frank - moving Gawn out of the ruck that night pretty much won them the flag.

I'm not a Gawn hater. He's clearly a good player - but I would absolutely pick Xerri, that bloke from Hawthorn and TDK (before he got hurt) over Gawn. They all seem to influence the result more than him IMO.

In round 9 Gawn made mince meat of Meek. Even Hawthorn posters on their board said they hadn't seen him dominated like he was against Gawn.

Gawn's taken more contested marks than Xerri has had general marks. Plus more disposals, hitouts, contested possessions, score involvement and intercepts.

Gawn is top 10 in the competition for score involvements, while Xerri is equal 111.

Last time I checked, being involved in scoring chains are the most valuable disposals of all and the best measure of ''over-all impact''.

Dreadful take. But without posts like yours it's hard to recognise good ones.

 

[Crusty Demon]

In round 9 Gawn made mince meat of Meek. Even Hawthorn posters on their board said they hadn't seen him dominated like he was against Gawn.

Gawn's taken more contested marks than Xerri has had general marks. Plus more disposals, hitouts, contested possessions, score involvement and intercepts.

Gawn is top 10 in the competition for score involvements, while Xerri is equal 111.

Last time I checked, being involved in scoring chains are the most valuable disposals of all and the best measure of ''over-all impact''.

Dreadful take. But without posts like yours it's hard to recognise good ones.

It beggars belief that a post like that would even be written. It's ok to have an opinion. Fine. But to say the greatest ruckman of our generation, his overall impact is overrated is quite astonishing. You have to wonder if this poster even watches Dees games at all. I'd say clearly not. Probably doesn't like Gawn for whatever reason and came up with this. Astonishing. The contested marking alone would have him first picked let alone being top 10 in score involvements and then hit outs.

 

[Shooter#17]

Is Max Gawn any good?

I know individually he's a gun ruckman. Lots of Hitouts, plenty of down the line Contested Marks and that shit.

But I tend to feel his overall impact is a bit overrated.

It just defies logic that they've had Oliver, Viney and Petracca for the best part of a decade - and aside from one year they've been kind of average.

And let's be frank - moving Gawn out of the ruck that night pretty much won them the flag.

I'm not a Gawn hater. He's clearly a good player - but I would absolutely pick Xerri, that bloke from Hawthorn and TDK (before he got hurt) over Gawn. They all seem to influence the result more than him IMO.

Dumbest thing I've ever read on here, and it's big footy so that's amazing

 

[Andyy]

Petracca is a shell of his former-self right now.
Watching Oliver & Petracca's demise is disappointing to see. Both in the prime of their footballing lives. They are playing as if they are 33-35 year old's.

They seem checked out really

 

[Pistol Night]

Petracca is a shell of his former-self right now.
Watching Oliver & Petracca's demise is disappointing to see. Both in the prime of their footballing lives. They are playing as if they are 33-35 year old's.

Im sure some fresh cow shit under his fingernails and some crisp Cotton On shirts could rejuvenate Clarry?

 

[demondavey]

Im sure some fresh cow shit under his fingernails and some crisp Cotton On shirts could rejuvenate Clarry?

**** Clarry, I’ll take that deal

 

[demondavey]

Board meeting today apparently.

Stay tuned….

 

[Pistol Night]

Board meeting today apparently.

Stay tuned….

Cheese and wine provided?

 

[demondavey]

Cheese and wine provided?

Cheese, wine, discussions about Scotch College alumni, who has booked the Hotham chalet this week, the condition of the powder on the black runs, frustrations at grandfathering negative gearing, the conspiracy against Amelia Hamer not being elected, and, THEN!

If the Flower Drum has a booking tonight!

 

[voorhees]

Is it time?
It was time last year, now I'm not so sure other clubs would be interested or that the Dees would receive anything in return.

summed it up...
had the opportunity last year and bunkered down instead of excepting that it's over.