Geelong – most loved to most disliked?

[madhawksfan]

I don't have much time for players that duck their head, exaggerate contact and constantly appeal for free kicks. Geelong have some great players who play the game the right way, but several players (Selwood, Johnson, Christensen, Guthrie and Bartel) don't play the game in the right spirit with their continual playing for frees.

Coupled with Chris Scott carrying on like the Cats are getting a raw deal whenever a free is actually paid against them it makes watching Geelong cringeworthy.

I really enjoy our rivalry with Geelong, even if we have been on the wrong end of lots of flow games, but I hate the way the umpires continually pay frees that shouldn't be given. I also cabt stand the carrying on like 8 year olds that some of the Cats players engage in.

Get on with the game and stop raising both of your arms and looking to the umps every time you get tackled expecting a free kick.

 

[Off The Couch]

There is a bloke called Lindsay Thomas who plays for North, Cats don't have anyone who can compete with his Academy Award "throwing yourself forward" performances.

I believe you do - SJ
academy award winning performances are a speciality of his

 

[steady2]

I believe you do - SJ
academy award winning performances are a speciality of his

He would have no hope against Jordan (look at me) Lewis

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I don't have much time for players that duck their head, exaggerate contact and constantly appeal for free kicks. Geelong have some great players who play the game the right way, but several players (Selwood, Johnson, Christensen, Guthrie and Bartel) don't play the game in the right spirit with their continual playing for frees.

Coupled with Chris Scott carrying on like the Cats are getting a raw deal whenever a free is actually paid against them it makes watching Geelong cringeworthy.

I really enjoy our rivalry with Geelong, even if we have been on the wrong end of lots of flow games, but I hate the way the umpires continually pay frees that shouldn't be given. I also cabt stand the carrying on like 8 year olds that some of the Cats players engage in.

Get on with the game and stop raising both of your arms and looking to the umps every time you get tackled expecting a free kick.

Watch a Hawthorn game every now and again. With both eyes.

lol what has Guthrie ever done to inspire such enmity?

It's because he's turning into a pretty good player, isn't it?

 

[Off The Couch]

He would have no hope against Jordan (look at me) Lewis

I have already previously thrown Lewis up as a hawk candidate so no surprises there. Unfortunately he is lousy at it and rarely garners a free kick from his acting - SJ on the other hand - wow just WOW

 

[GeelongFTW]

I have already previously thrown Lewis up as a hawk candidate so no surprises there. Unfortunately he is lousy at it and rarely garners a free kick from his acting - SJ on the other hand - wow just WOW

I thought intent was all that mattered? Why is SJ worse than Lewis because he does it better? Their both doing the same thing aren't they?

 

[Off The Couch]

I thought intent was all that mattered? Why is SJ worse than Lewis because he does it better? Their both doing the same thing aren't they?

I agree BUT that doesn't mean that some aren't better than others and get a little more out of it

 

[Steve_c7]

I direct you to my post. Carlton statistically recieve the best rub of the green from umpires this season - and by a margin.

Marc Murphy (your captain) has recieved 54 Frees this year (Selwood has 55)

Edit: Additionally, Malthouse is the biggest 'sook' in the game and has been for a good ten years at least

No the reason your coach is a flog of the highest order is because he changes his view on the umpires only when it suits him.

Scott view of umpire non-call after cats win in round 12 "If I was them I would have done the same thing. You don't want to make a mistake in that part of the ground at that stage of the game."

Scotts view of umpire call round 21 "So if a non-controlling umpire pays a free kick, all we would ask is that he's sure.

"If he's sure and he's got a good view of it, it seems to be the right thing."

So in his mind he's not happy for the umpire to make a mistake that could result in a match defining goal unless it goes his way.

 

[aussiems]

Seriously?

Christensen and the Carlton defender were both running with the flight of the ball. At the instant the ball crossed their direction, the defender throws a right punch as Christensen lunges for the mark. He is already diving to the ground when the defender's left hand then makes contact with Christensen's back. This is clearly shown in the AFL.com video querying this mark - look for the replayed shot from behind in particular...

Hill, on the other hand, has both hands in the back of the Essendon defender as the ball is incoming, and then drops back into space to take the mark. Whether the Essendon player is truly impeded is questionable, so it's probably a technical free as he was smart enough not to go backwards with Hill as the ball arrived - but a free nonetheless. Watch the AFL.com video of the last two minutes, about 1:10 into it - again, pretty clear...

The rule, while I can't quote it word for word, simply says you can't put your hand in the back of the player in the contest to give yourself an advantage. Close analysis of Christensen shows it didn't happen until after he was already going down and the ball was past them, therefore no advantage. Hill - clear as a bell...

You seem good at explaining free kicks, can you explain some of the one's in the link below, i have plenty more if you feel up to it.

 

[JUBJUB]

No the reason your coach is a flog of the highest order is because he changes his view on the umpires only when it suits him.

Scott view of umpire non-call after cats win in round 12 "If I was them I would have done the same thing. You don't want to make a mistake in that part of the ground at that stage of the game."

Scotts view of umpire call round 21 "So if a non-controlling umpire pays a free kick, all we would ask is that he's sure.

"If he's sure and he's got a good view of it, it seems to be the right thing."

So in his mind he's not happy for the umpire to make a mistake that could result in a match defining goal unless it goes his way.

Can't wait for post 2 in July 2017

 

[aussiems]

No, I teach high school, not grade one.

I teach kids how to write paragraphs in English.

That's where we learn to string individual sentences, such as this one and others like it, together.

As well as having earned our pen licences, we sometimes get called really cool names, like Block Writing Man.

When you finish high school, maybe you can write and understand paragraphs too.

People who write big paragraphs have big penises.

I hate the Cats.

PARAGRAPHS

I hate the Hawks.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

You seem good at explaining free kicks, can you explain some of the one's in the link below, i have plenty more if you feel up to it.

I clearly remember watching that game and thinking the AFL really wanted hawks v swans. So glad the swans won it that year.

 

[madhawksfan]

Watch a Hawthorn game every now and again. With both eyes.

lol what has Guthrie ever done to inspire such enmity?

It's because he's turning into a pretty good player, isn't it?

Hawks players have been guilty as well (Puopolo irritates me when he throws his head back) but it is no where near the extent to which Selwood, Johnson and co do it.

 

[hawkman]

Not a fan of Puopolo then? He lost me for a long time after the Menzel incident, but I've been really liking how he goes about his footy recently, apart from the staging.

What did he do wrong with the Menzel incident?

I thought intent was all that mattered? Why is SJ worse than Lewis because he does it better? Their both doing the same thing aren't they?

Neither are good, Johnson does it a lot more often though

 

[romeoh]

Hawks players have been guilty as well (Puopolo irritates me when he throws his head back) but it is no where near the extent to which Selwood, Johnson and co do it.

Yep Selwood and Stevie whinging to the umps and getting frees-it isn't a great look. I don't like it and would be happy if no frees were paid-(it wouldn't affect our game) and would be happy if they didn't carry on to umps. ( Guthrie, Bartel etc barely do anything offensive -so don't get that) But its not as bad as its being painted, it isn't really any more so than at other clubs, nor is it really deserving of such animosity.
Puopolo/Lewis/ Hodge and lots of players at other clubs do quite a different thing from Selwood- putting the head down and pushing into people is worse for mine/more dangerous but never gets this sort of carry on.
So that makes me think it is not just about the actions. I assume people have agendas -sick of Geelong and suchlike. And fair enough, we have had a good run with success.

 

[romeoh]

And I might add that Hodge has done a lot of unpleasant elbow work to the heads of players off the ball over the years. But he is apparently untouchable and I never hear any complaints about that. The stuff he does is actually more unsavoury and more potentially damaging to players, but the threads are always about ducking. Give it a spell.
Lewis used to do it a lot too, but to his credit, he has eradicated it from his game.

 

[hawkman]

Something about the look back at Menzel lying on the ground in agony then going the hand slap with attitude to his teammate never sat well with me. As I said though, opinions change and I quite like the way he goes about his football these days apart from the staging.

Fair enough, I thought you were trying to imply it was his fault.

 

[Baby Duck]

Hmm and yet you guys had two of the players before the bombers, stones

Association is not proof of guilt.

 

[STP18]

All this talk about it not being the free kick count but rather the importance of the free that matters shows that we actually get the worst run in the entire comp. We concede about the league average worth of goals from free kicks, but quite clearly receive the least amount of goals from free kicks. So Bundy's late goal is one of the rare occasions this year we've actually scored a goal from a free kick. It was an amazing feeling.

 

[Aeon05]

So I'm taking from that graph that Carlton are an incredibly fair team, they tackle clean and don't give too many frees away for petulant acts.

 

[STP18]

So I'm taking from that graph that Carlton are an incredibly fair team, they tackle clean and don't give too many frees away for petulant acts.

Maybe but they are prone to conceding goals from free kicks. Maybe their defenders scrag a lot?

 

[Off The Couch]

And I might add that Hodge has done a lot of unpleasant elbow work to the heads of players off the ball over the years. But he is apparently untouchable and I never hear any complaints about that. The stuff he does is actually more unsavoury and more potentially damaging to players, but the threads are always about ducking. Give it a spell.
Lewis used to do it a lot too, but to his credit, he has eradicated it from his game.

I really don't have a clue what you are talking about and obviously it's not as common as you lead us to believe, because if it was, then surely there would of been the numerous threads appearing similar to the selwood ones, comments in the media similar to the selwood ones (Dennis cometti: "guess who, yep a selwood) and maybe even an occasional comment from a player or more realistically far more MRP appearances with the number of cameras available.

Seems to me it would be more a case of hodge being one of those players that you just don't like

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I really don't have a clue what you are talking about and obviously it's not as common as you lead us to believe, because if it was, then surely there would of been the numerous threads appearing similar to the selwood ones, comments in the media similar to the selwood ones (Dennis cometti: "guess who, yep a selwood) and maybe even an occasional comment from a player or more realistically far more MRP appearances with the number of cameras available.

Seems to me it would be more a case of hodge being one of those players that you just don't like

He does this a lot:



I've seen him do it on at least a dozen occasions, and I rarely watch the Hawks. I guess he gets a pass because he's such a good bloke.

 

[romeoh]

I really don't have a clue what you are talking about and obviously it's not as common as you lead us to believe, because if it was, then surely there would of been the numerous threads appearing similar to the selwood ones, comments in the media similar to the selwood ones (Dennis cometti: "guess who, yep a selwood) and maybe even an occasional comment from a player or more realistically far more MRP appearances with the number of cameras available.

Seems to me it would be more a case of hodge being one of those players that you just don't like

Hodge is a 'protected' player re the media because, quite rightly, everyone loves him and regards him as a warrior, he stands up when its time, he is a top bloke and top leader etc. And he is all those things. I like him myself. But he never misses sinking an elbow or two into our team, always off the ball. Have no doubt he does it to others teams too. Crikey -he can even do it in full view and put someone out for weeks and its regarded as 'part of the game'. Except if its a Zeibell or Fyfe or someone else.
This whole Selwood ducking thing emanated from Dermie-its that simple and he has kept it up and people have jumped on board and run with it. Heard Dermie still going off on sen yesterday and he seemed surprised when Voss said he didn't have problem with Selwood. Derm doesn't even get that it is different from the Puopolo thing. He just doesn't like Geelong. And yep, I don't like Hawks. But am right re this issue Couchy!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

He would have no hope against Jordan (look at me) Lewis

Just watch next weekend he alongside many of their other "leaders" will go missing. Btw is there more of a faux tough guy than Lewis?