Geelong rorting the system

[AFaiL]

Wouldn't even bother listening to it.

Biggest fluff cuddle piece you will ever see. FFS Lyon got Danger a Ford for doing nothing.

The media and AFL are just doing this in plain sight knowing there is no avenue for anybody to do anything about it

 

[RCAB]

Notwithstanding even if the AirBnB freebies were only valued at $5,000 for the year - on paper it is not significant to get a player to sign.. But the intangible aspect, the repeated breaks, the ability to bring all ya family and friends down for a break etc. And this is just the smallest element of it. Maybe it adds up to half a million over a season, and maybe that is enough to retain a player or two.... Its not the old Carlton greg williams here is $150k cash from a builder, its smarter, more subtle and goes to the intangibles and the mental aspect of satsfying players AND THEIR FAMILIES to move to Bellarine

I agree with what you're saying... But as a St Kilda fan I wouldn't be throwing too many stones, glasshouses and all. Your guys are getting "a lot of players in" recently, you think it's all above board?

 

[DangerSloane]

I agree with what you're saying... But as a St Kilda fan I wouldn't be throwing too many stones, glasshouses and all. Your guys are getting "a lot of players in" recently, you think it's all above board?

It would be.
They've had no good players to pay for a good decade.

That's a lot of front loading.

 

[Wojcinski]

Fascinating how quickly “systematic governance failure” gets rebranded as “vintage Shiraz and bonding retreats” once the club in question wears blue and white hoops.

Let’s isolate the actual breach:
➤ Multiple arrangements involving club associates and third parties
➤ Non-disclosure or delayed disclosure across six seasons
➤ AFL sanctioned Geelong for violating the reporting protocols that safeguard the salary cap

That’s not... NOTHING... IT'S a documented breakdown in mandatory integrity compliance.
And the AFL’s own audit partner (EY) didn’t exonerate.. it confirmed the breach category, then soft-wrapped it under governance lingo.

Geelong still benefit.

No list impact.
No pick loss.
No historical revocation.
No real consequence.
Just “educational strengthening” and a $40k “don’t do it again” clause.

If this were Essendon, Adelaide, or Carlton we’d be reading about systemic deception.
But it’s Geelong, so it’s a picnic on the Bellarine Peninsula.

what was the outcome if the investigation into Hawthorn's systemic racial abuse towards first nations players, including attempting to force a players girlfriend to have an abortion?

 

[RPCB]

Geelong supporters can’t even do a good job of saying the AFL would never cover something up.

 

[nineteen eighty]

I like that you've been presented with the facts obtained from a third party source (EY) and you still don't believe it could be true. A great example of practiced denialism

I would love to see the scope of their "enquiries" before I take the AFL on its word. I live this life and have done so for decades. It all comes down to the Scope of Work, parameters and "how deep" one is allowed to investigate.

The day I trust the AFL in running a clean competition is the day I stop breathing. Every action they take, everything they do is SPIN of the highest order. 100% brand management.

It's highly offensive because they take ALL of US as idiots!

 

[Wojcinski]

Geelong supporters can’t even do a good job of saying the AFL would never cover something up.

The Blues drought would be 38 years without a cover up

 

[Do the Dew]

Notwithstanding even if the AirBnB freebies were only valued at $5,000 for the year - on paper it is not significant to get a player to sign.. But the intangible aspect, the repeated breaks, the ability to bring all ya family and friends down for a break etc. And this is just the smallest element of it. Maybe it adds up to half a million over a season, and maybe that is enough to retain a player or two.... Its not the old Carlton greg williams here is $150k cash from a builder, its smarter, more subtle and goes to the intangibles and the mental aspect of satsfying players AND THEIR FAMILIES to move to Bellarine

Chris Scott already gets that and more from Morris Finance, a major sponsor of the club, for a "leadership role" where let's be honest, he'd do **** all and take home a juicy paycheck. Would mean that he'd take unders to be the Geelong coach and leave greater room in their soft cap.

 

[nineteen eighty]

so you think the rort is that Geelong also controls the multinational Big 4 accounting firm Ernst & Young?

One absolutely controls the consulting firms through the Scope of the investigation. And how deep the entity (in this case it's not Geelong...it's the AFL) wants you to go. This will be controlled through value of the Contract. A small contract value will ensure that they only look at things at a superficial level.

 

[STPer18]

"An example would be that an associate, a sponsor of the club, a individual in that group or business has access to a holiday house or a farm and a player or staff member goes and stays there for one, two, three nights.

"That is seen as a breach of the soft cap policy because there is a value attached to that.

"All that has to happen is the player or staff member has to declare that at the end of the year. You need to declare where you have been but there is grey area.

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We live and we learn. With the suspended fine hanging heavy over our head you can be sure we won't get it wrong this time.

 

[Nicho50]

Got no doubt in my mind every team does 3rd party payments to some degree. There would be a lot of players that are on less salary through the club but make it all up in endorsements.

People have a bad taste in their mouth regarding Hocking from Geelong as he was the man in charge when some of the worst rules in footy like the stand and 6-6-6 were introduced so I can see why the pile on has come for Geelong.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I know what will stop other clubs. They won't have the person who oversaw the cheating investigate the cheating.

Amazing that this can happen but here we are

It didn't happen. But like the bible don't let the truth interrupt a good story.

which former employee was that again?

Geelong issued with monster fine over multiple payment breaches

An extensive audit from the AFL over a six-year period has found a series of serious infringements.

7news.com.au

"The AFL said its GM of clubs — finance, performance and growth, and former Cats employee, Simon Kelleher, had no involvement in the investigation."

 

[RCAB]

It would be.
They've had no good players to pay for a good decade.

That's a lot of front loading.

Geelong's not the only "one"

 

[MF]

I would love to see the scope of their "enquiries" before I take the AFL on its word. I live this life and have done so for decades. It all comes down to the Scope of Work, parameters and "how deep" one is allowed to investigate.

The day I trust the AFL in running a clean competition is the day I stop breathing. Every action they take, everything they do is SPIN of the highest order. 100% brand management.

It's highly offensive because they take ALL of US as idiots!

Yeah, I think some people are reading “assisted by EY” as if it meant an independent or third-party investigation, when in reality, it probably wasn’t that at all.

Most likely, EY were just brought in to help sift through the data because it was too big a job for the AFL to process internally. At the end of the day though, the AFL would’ve still been the ones setting the parameters, interpreting the data, and deciding which findings saw the light of day.

So while “assisted by EY” sounds nice and official, it doesn’t necessarily mean there was any genuine independence. If the AFL controls the scope, defines the questions, and vets the conclusions, then it’s still the AFL controlling the outcome.

 

[RCAB]

what was the outcome if the investigation into Hawthorn's systemic racial abuse towards first nations players, including attempting to force a players girlfriend to have an abortion?

Yes that was terrible and shouldn't never have happened, and our club has a history of deplorables.

Back to topic now = 2022*

 

[RCAB]

The Blues drought would be 38 years without a cover up

And Geelong's even longer! 1963!

 

[Elixuh]

Pretty despicable stuff by Geelong it must be said.

 

[RCAB]

Pretty despicable stuff by Geelong it must be said.

Actually most clubs do it, probably not the extent of Geelong but they still do it. What's most despicable is Geelong fans coming here to defend it.

 

[Sttew]

Actually most clubs do it, probably not the extent of Geelong but they still do it. What's most despicable is Geelong fans coming here to defend it.

The oversights by Geelong rightfully incurred a penalty and headline news. Of course we'd prefer it never happened But the hysteria in this thread is completely disproportionate to the "actual crimes", i.e., a failure to declare or declare in a timely manner third party benefits. There was no salary cap rorting. So of course I will defend my club against baseless allegations on this Board that are unproven and unsubstantiated.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The paperwork with the woman's car was acknowledged right from the start. That was the initial breaking news. It turns out a few laptops and mobiles in the men's team were the big discovery to add onto that.

The early pages of this thread seemed to suggest systematic salary cap breaches and TPP cheats were about to be unravelled. Instead we got the equivalent of a teacher letting a kid take a pen home from school without making a note of it.

Hock showing this morning what a nothing burger this all is. Staff staying on a farm for a night.

What's next, Jez invites a teammate round for dinner and the free meal needs to be disclosed.

Throw us in the Bastille!

Dude, you're using a false equivalence and crying that the punishments don't mirror one another.

As someone who moved to Geelong, someone from within the council needs to ask him to **** off back to SA.

Geelong supporters can’t even do a good job of saying the AFL would never cover something up.

You aren't exactly setting the world on fire atm. Nothing but utter garbage on this topic the last 24 hours.

 

[HairyO]

what was the outcome if the investigation into Hawthorn's systemic racial abuse towards first nations players, including attempting to force a players girlfriend to have an abortion?

It went nowhere because the players were not able to present anything to the Supreme Court. But Hawthorn settled to avoid spending millions on lawyers with zero chance of getting any back from the players - of whom, only Cyril had money.

Would you be okay with that sort of independent scrutiny into Geelong and the non-cap stuff which happens? Maybe an ATO review of capital gains reporting on those farms and pubs? Checking tax returns to see what incomes are being received?

 

[RPCB]

You genuinely should be ashamed of what you've posted the last 24 hours. Nothing but utter garbage.

If I was one of your supporters, I would have posted a whataboutism.

Edit: **** sake! Keep your original post as is. Trust me when I say your opinion of me means very little and I find it more offensive that you’d changed the wording in your post thinking your original words would bother me.

 

[Seeds]

Biggest fluff cuddle piece you will ever see. FFS Lyon got Danger a Ford for doing nothing.

The media and AFL are just doing this in plain sight knowing there is no avenue for anybody to do anything about it

So is the prize money for mark and goal of the year and various other awards also salary cap corruption? Or only when geelong players win them?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

It didn't happen. But like the bible don't let the truth interrupt a good story.

oh, well then. If the AFL say, without evidence, that their GM of Clubs — Finance, Performance and Growth (i.e. the Department in charge of audits) had no input; and instead it was entirely led by the GM of Clubs - Scheduling (i.e. the department that has nothing to do with audits), then I guess that's that. Case closed. Nothing to see here

 

[Art Vandelay_]

oh, well then. If the AFL say, without evidence, that their GM of Clubs — Finance, Performance and Growth (i.e. the Department in charge of audits) had no input; and instead it was entirely led by the GM of Clubs - Scheduling (i.e. the department that has nothing to do with audits), then I guess that's that. Case closed. Nothing to see here

No different to what you nuffies are waffling on with, without evidence since yesterday.

Oh dear, we stayed at a farm for a couple of nights. How dare we rort the comp in this fashion.

If I was one of your supporters, I would have posted a whataboutism.

Edit: **** sake! Keep your original post as is. Trust me when I say your opinion of me means very little and I find it more offensive that you’d changed the wording in your post thinking your original words would bother me.

I find it offensive how little attention you pay to what you post on the matter. Trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Yesterday was a lot to do about nothing.