Geelong rorting the system

[Mr Meow]

I know what will stop other clubs. They won't have the person who oversaw the cheating investigate the cheating.

Amazing that this can happen but here we are

That didn't stop Brisbane or Footscray, who were fined for doing (or failing to do) the same stuff.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Adelaide fined 5x Geelongs amount
Lost 2 years of 1st and 2nd round picks
Lost an elite key forward for no return

Vs
Effectively no consequence.

This the VFL shit we are talking about

Dude, you're using a false equivalence and crying that the punishments don't mirror one another.

 

[Sttew]

Interesting they are your 'wtf posts' but all of them are true, besides maybe the comparison to the Carlton salary scandal.

Is it?

1. Receiving bottles of wine, access to accommodation and use of cars is NOT the same as tampering with the AFL Draft and blatant salary cap breaches.
2. The AFL has stated ex Geelong executive, Simon Kelleher, had no involvement in the investigation.
3. Where does one even begin with such a statement?
4. Where has the AFL stated anywhere that for six years Geelong "systematically" cheated and committed salary cap breaches?

 

[FootyLad0]

Adelaide fined 5x Geelongs amount
Lost 2 years of 1st and 2nd round picks
Lost an elite key forward for no return

Vs
Effectively no consequence.

This the VFL shit we are talking about

Adelaide tried to circumvent the draft.

Geelong didn’t declare a team bonding stay on a farm and a bottle of wine.

Two VERY different scenarios mate

 

[archereleven]

Adelaide tried to circumvent the draft.

Geelong didn’t declare a team bonding stay on a farm and a bottle of wine.

Two VERY different scenarios mate

Was the 'team bonding' trip held on an Australian farm or was it an overseas junket to a sovereign citizens farm?

 

[RCAB]

“It was just a bottle of wine.. It was just a camp on a farm”

Fascinating how quickly “systematic governance failure” gets rebranded as “vintage Shiraz and bonding retreats” once the club in question wears blue and white hoops.

Let’s isolate the actual breach:
➤ Multiple arrangements involving club associates and third parties
➤ Non-disclosure or delayed disclosure across six seasons
➤ AFL sanctioned Geelong for violating the reporting protocols that safeguard the salary cap

That’s not... NOTHING... IT'S a documented breakdown in mandatory integrity compliance.
And the AFL’s own audit partner (EY) didn’t exonerate.. it confirmed the breach category, then soft-wrapped it under governance lingo.

Geelong still benefit.

No list impact.
No pick loss.
No historical revocation.
No real consequence.
Just “educational strengthening” and a $40k “don’t do it again” clause.

If this were Essendon, Adelaide, or Carlton we’d be reading about systemic deception.
But it’s Geelong, so it’s a picnic on the Bellarine Peninsula.

 

[1990crow]

Was the 'team bonding' trip held on an Australian farm or was it an overseas junket to a sovereign citizens farm?

It's really not.

 

[DangerSloane]

Is it?

1. Receiving bottles of wine, access to accommodation and use of cars is NOT the same as tampering with the AFL Draft and blatant salary cap breaches.
2. The AFL has stated ex Geelong executive, Simon Kelleher, had no involvement in the investigation.
3. Where does one even begin with such a statement?
4. Where has the AFL stated anywhere that for six years Geelong "systematically" cheated and committed salary cap breaches?

There was no 'tampering with the draft' that's the thing. it was a completely bogus charge.
Did Stephen Hocking have anything to do with the investigation and handing down of the 'punishment'?
The breaches were happening consistently over a 6 year period and were not a 'one-off error'. That's considered systematic.

There was no self-reporting either. Did Geelong think what they were doing was ok or was it deliberately overlooked? Either way there's a wider issue

 

[archereleven]

It's really not.

Wut?

 

[AFaiL]

Cuddles all around from SEN

 

[RCAB]

Cuddles all around from SEN

Wouldn't even bother listening to it.

 

[AFaiL]

Fascinating how quickly “systematic governance failure” gets rebranded as “vintage Shiraz and bonding retreats” once the club in question wears blue and white hoops.

Let’s isolate the actual breach:
➤ Multiple arrangements involving club associates and third parties
➤ Non-disclosure or delayed disclosure across six seasons
➤ AFL sanctioned Geelong for violating the reporting protocols that safeguard the salary cap

That’s not... NOTHING... IT'S a documented breakdown in mandatory integrity compliance.
And the AFL’s own audit partner (EY) didn’t exonerate.. it confirmed the breach category, then soft-wrapped it under governance lingo.

Geelong still benefit.

No list impact.
No pick loss.
No historical revocation.
No real consequence.
Just “educational strengthening” and a $40k “don’t do it again” clause.

If this were Essendon, Adelaide, or Carlton we’d be reading about systemic deception.
But it’s Geelong, so it’s a picnic on the Bellarine Peninsula.

Notwithstanding even if the AirBnB freebies were only valued at $5,000 for the year - on paper it is not significant to get a player to sign.. But the intangible aspect, the repeated breaks, the ability to bring all ya family and friends down for a break etc. And this is just the smallest element of it. Maybe it adds up to half a million over a season, and maybe that is enough to retain a player or two.... Its not the old Carlton greg williams here is $150k cash from a builder, its smarter, more subtle and goes to the intangibles and the mental aspect of satsfying players AND THEIR FAMILIES to move to Bellarine

 

[AFaiL]

Wouldn't even bother listening to it.

Biggest fluff cuddle piece you will ever see. FFS Lyon got Danger a Ford for doing nothing.

The media and AFL are just doing this in plain sight knowing there is no avenue for anybody to do anything about it

 

[RCAB]

Notwithstanding even if the AirBnB freebies were only valued at $5,000 for the year - on paper it is not significant to get a player to sign.. But the intangible aspect, the repeated breaks, the ability to bring all ya family and friends down for a break etc. And this is just the smallest element of it. Maybe it adds up to half a million over a season, and maybe that is enough to retain a player or two.... Its not the old Carlton greg williams here is $150k cash from a builder, its smarter, more subtle and goes to the intangibles and the mental aspect of satsfying players AND THEIR FAMILIES to move to Bellarine

I agree with what you're saying... But as a St Kilda fan I wouldn't be throwing too many stones, glasshouses and all. Your guys are getting "a lot of players in" recently, you think it's all above board?

 

[DangerSloane]

I agree with what you're saying... But as a St Kilda fan I wouldn't be throwing too many stones, glasshouses and all. Your guys are getting "a lot of players in" recently, you think it's all above board?

It would be.
They've had no good players to pay for a good decade.

That's a lot of front loading.

 

[Wojcinski]

Fascinating how quickly “systematic governance failure” gets rebranded as “vintage Shiraz and bonding retreats” once the club in question wears blue and white hoops.

Let’s isolate the actual breach:
➤ Multiple arrangements involving club associates and third parties
➤ Non-disclosure or delayed disclosure across six seasons
➤ AFL sanctioned Geelong for violating the reporting protocols that safeguard the salary cap

That’s not... NOTHING... IT'S a documented breakdown in mandatory integrity compliance.
And the AFL’s own audit partner (EY) didn’t exonerate.. it confirmed the breach category, then soft-wrapped it under governance lingo.

Geelong still benefit.

No list impact.
No pick loss.
No historical revocation.
No real consequence.
Just “educational strengthening” and a $40k “don’t do it again” clause.

If this were Essendon, Adelaide, or Carlton we’d be reading about systemic deception.
But it’s Geelong, so it’s a picnic on the Bellarine Peninsula.

what was the outcome if the investigation into Hawthorn's systemic racial abuse towards first nations players, including attempting to force a players girlfriend to have an abortion?

 

[RPCB]

Geelong supporters can’t even do a good job of saying the AFL would never cover something up.

 

[nineteen eighty]

I like that you've been presented with the facts obtained from a third party source (EY) and you still don't believe it could be true. A great example of practiced denialism

I would love to see the scope of their "enquiries" before I take the AFL on its word. I live this life and have done so for decades. It all comes down to the Scope of Work, parameters and "how deep" one is allowed to investigate.

The day I trust the AFL in running a clean competition is the day I stop breathing. Every action they take, everything they do is SPIN of the highest order. 100% brand management.

It's highly offensive because they take ALL of US as idiots!

 

[Wojcinski]

Geelong supporters can’t even do a good job of saying the AFL would never cover something up.

The Blues drought would be 38 years without a cover up

 

[Do the Dew]

Notwithstanding even if the AirBnB freebies were only valued at $5,000 for the year - on paper it is not significant to get a player to sign.. But the intangible aspect, the repeated breaks, the ability to bring all ya family and friends down for a break etc. And this is just the smallest element of it. Maybe it adds up to half a million over a season, and maybe that is enough to retain a player or two.... Its not the old Carlton greg williams here is $150k cash from a builder, its smarter, more subtle and goes to the intangibles and the mental aspect of satsfying players AND THEIR FAMILIES to move to Bellarine

Chris Scott already gets that and more from Morris Finance, a major sponsor of the club, for a "leadership role" where let's be honest, he'd do **** all and take home a juicy paycheck. Would mean that he'd take unders to be the Geelong coach and leave greater room in their soft cap.

 

[nineteen eighty]

so you think the rort is that Geelong also controls the multinational Big 4 accounting firm Ernst & Young?

One absolutely controls the consulting firms through the Scope of the investigation. And how deep the entity (in this case it's not Geelong...it's the AFL) wants you to go. This will be controlled through value of the Contract. A small contract value will ensure that they only look at things at a superficial level.

 

[STPer18]

"An example would be that an associate, a sponsor of the club, a individual in that group or business has access to a holiday house or a farm and a player or staff member goes and stays there for one, two, three nights.

"That is seen as a breach of the soft cap policy because there is a value attached to that.

"All that has to happen is the player or staff member has to declare that at the end of the year. You need to declare where you have been but there is grey area.

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We live and we learn. With the suspended fine hanging heavy over our head you can be sure we won't get it wrong this time.

 

[Nicho50]

Got no doubt in my mind every team does 3rd party payments to some degree. There would be a lot of players that are on less salary through the club but make it all up in endorsements.

People have a bad taste in their mouth regarding Hocking from Geelong as he was the man in charge when some of the worst rules in footy like the stand and 6-6-6 were introduced so I can see why the pile on has come for Geelong.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I know what will stop other clubs. They won't have the person who oversaw the cheating investigate the cheating.

Amazing that this can happen but here we are

It didn't happen. But like the bible don't let the truth interrupt a good story.

which former employee was that again?

Geelong issued with monster fine over multiple payment breaches

An extensive audit from the AFL over a six-year period has found a series of serious infringements.

7news.com.au

"The AFL said its GM of clubs — finance, performance and growth, and former Cats employee, Simon Kelleher, had no involvement in the investigation."

 

[RCAB]

It would be.
They've had no good players to pay for a good decade.

That's a lot of front loading.

Geelong's not the only "one"