Geelong rorting the system

[voorhees]

You think consulting firms are 3rd parties? How cute. You should check out this for a little education:

Brilliant show ...the finest Australia has to offer.

 

[joe444]

Smoking gun?

 

[joe444]

Good to see you haven’t had a stroke and ninja added the rest of your post.

I know, right? Pretty quick by you, too!

I'll add "ninja add" to my vocabulary, too.

 

[RCAB]

The media have reported on all the relevant bits

“But it did find "a series of non-disclosures and/or late disclosures of arrangements with club associates and third parties, that were required to be reported to the AFL".”

That’s literally what Geelong supporters in here have conveniently left out of your posts. Unfortunately for you, that’s going to be quoted by opposition supporters for the rest of time.

Precisely

“Non-disclosures and/or late disclosures of arrangements with club associates and third parties” that’s not some clerical oopsie about lunch receipts. That’s AFL speak for financial benefits linked to players that weren’t disclosed in time... or at all.

That is the definition of a TPP compliance breach.. not on cap limits, but on reporting integrity, which underpins the whole cap mechanism.

EY can only audit what it’s handed. If arrangements are deliberately off-book, or funnelled through club-adjacent entities (sponsors, farms, finance roles, AFLW shells), then the “no breach” line becomes performance theatre.

The outcome is the same:
- Players received benefits not transparently linked to their total remuneration
-These weren’t reported properly
-And the AFL’s “punishment” was a symbolic fine with no football consequence

You don’t have to say the word “rort” when the structure does it for you.

 

[joe444]

Precisely

“Non-disclosures and/or late disclosures of arrangements with club associates and third parties” that’s not some clerical oopsie about lunch receipts. That’s AFL speak for financial benefits linked to players that weren’t disclosed in time... or at all.

That is the definition of a TPP compliance breach..

Literally, mate, it's not. Unless you've come up with a new understanding of what "definition" is.

It was
(a) a bottle of wine (gift) not declared. Hardly something that can indirectly be siphoned to salary boosting.
(b) the training camp for academy players at a property owned by a club associate. Club should have declared the relationship.

We're also talking about a forensic audit involving phones, emails, laptops etc. Now, I know how this works. You'll find this as proof that Geelong wiped the laptops and, therefore, the very definition of a conspiracy.

 

[1990crow]

Adelaide fined 5x Geelongs amount
Lost 2 years of 1st and 2nd round picks
Lost an elite key forward for no return

Vs
Effectively no consequence.

This the VFL shit we are talking about

 

[Sttew]

I always think of this.

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Understandable. Not much else to think about when you follow WCE

 

[joe444]

Adelaide fined 5x Geelongs amount
Lost 2 years of 1st and 2nd round picks
Lost an elite key forward for no return

Vs
Effectively no consequence.

This the VFL shit we are talking about

Adelaide found guilty of draft tampering.

 

[DangerSloane]

But hey, let's not allow the facts to get in the way of the hysteria amongst posters.

My Top 5 'WTF' posts thus far, and forgive me for paraphrasing some of the posts:

1. What Geelong did is the same as Adelaide's draft tampering and salary cap breaches in 2012
2. Former Geelong employee finds Geelong has done no wrongdoing.
3. The AFL don't even try and hide their own biased corruption
4. The AFL said Geelong has been systematically cheating for six years not one offs.
5. I've never been less surprised to be here. This is the Carlton salary scandal all over again.

Interesting they are your 'wtf posts' but all of them are true, besides maybe the comparison to the Carlton salary scandal.

 

[voorhees]

Adelaide fined 5x Geelongs amount
Lost 2 years of 1st and 2nd round picks
Lost an elite key forward for no return

Vs
Effectively no consequence.

This the VFL shit we are talking about

Your club has every right to be angry.
Should also be making alot more noise about the issue.

 

[Do the Dew]

Adelaide fined 5x Geelongs amount
Lost 2 years of 1st and 2nd round picks
Lost an elite key forward for no return

Vs
Effectively no consequence.

This the VFL shit we are talking about

Ehh, Tigers got a 100k fine cause 2 players went to get kebabs.

 

[Erakor]

I honestly thought this was common knowledge ? Geelong using third party payments to lure players.

Running gag regarding cotton on etc

 

[Mr Meow]

When those threads are started, I am sure people will discuss those.




You’ve just proved my point.

“Geelong were found guilty of not having lodged some third party player payments and yet, Cats supporters in their posts where they’ve listed what the audit found, have completely left that one out.”

The paperwork with the woman's car was acknowledged right from the start. That was the initial breaking news. It turns out a few laptops and mobiles in the men's team were the big discovery to add onto that.

The early pages of this thread seemed to suggest systematic salary cap breaches and TPP cheats were about to be unravelled. Instead we got the equivalent of a teacher letting a kid take a pen home from school without making a note of it.

 

[Mr Meow]

I know what will stop other clubs. They won't have the person who oversaw the cheating investigate the cheating.

Amazing that this can happen but here we are

That didn't stop Brisbane or Footscray, who were fined for doing (or failing to do) the same stuff.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Adelaide fined 5x Geelongs amount
Lost 2 years of 1st and 2nd round picks
Lost an elite key forward for no return

Vs
Effectively no consequence.

This the VFL shit we are talking about

Dude, you're using a false equivalence and crying that the punishments don't mirror one another.

 

[Sttew]

Interesting they are your 'wtf posts' but all of them are true, besides maybe the comparison to the Carlton salary scandal.

Is it?

1. Receiving bottles of wine, access to accommodation and use of cars is NOT the same as tampering with the AFL Draft and blatant salary cap breaches.
2. The AFL has stated ex Geelong executive, Simon Kelleher, had no involvement in the investigation.
3. Where does one even begin with such a statement?
4. Where has the AFL stated anywhere that for six years Geelong "systematically" cheated and committed salary cap breaches?

 

[FootyLad0]

Adelaide fined 5x Geelongs amount
Lost 2 years of 1st and 2nd round picks
Lost an elite key forward for no return

Vs
Effectively no consequence.

This the VFL shit we are talking about

Adelaide tried to circumvent the draft.

Geelong didn’t declare a team bonding stay on a farm and a bottle of wine.

Two VERY different scenarios mate

 

[archereleven]

Adelaide tried to circumvent the draft.

Geelong didn’t declare a team bonding stay on a farm and a bottle of wine.

Two VERY different scenarios mate

Was the 'team bonding' trip held on an Australian farm or was it an overseas junket to a sovereign citizens farm?

 

[RCAB]

“It was just a bottle of wine.. It was just a camp on a farm”

Fascinating how quickly “systematic governance failure” gets rebranded as “vintage Shiraz and bonding retreats” once the club in question wears blue and white hoops.

Let’s isolate the actual breach:
➤ Multiple arrangements involving club associates and third parties
➤ Non-disclosure or delayed disclosure across six seasons
➤ AFL sanctioned Geelong for violating the reporting protocols that safeguard the salary cap

That’s not... NOTHING... IT'S a documented breakdown in mandatory integrity compliance.
And the AFL’s own audit partner (EY) didn’t exonerate.. it confirmed the breach category, then soft-wrapped it under governance lingo.

Geelong still benefit.

No list impact.
No pick loss.
No historical revocation.
No real consequence.
Just “educational strengthening” and a $40k “don’t do it again” clause.

If this were Essendon, Adelaide, or Carlton we’d be reading about systemic deception.
But it’s Geelong, so it’s a picnic on the Bellarine Peninsula.

 

[1990crow]

Was the 'team bonding' trip held on an Australian farm or was it an overseas junket to a sovereign citizens farm?

It's really not.

 

[DangerSloane]

Is it?

1. Receiving bottles of wine, access to accommodation and use of cars is NOT the same as tampering with the AFL Draft and blatant salary cap breaches.
2. The AFL has stated ex Geelong executive, Simon Kelleher, had no involvement in the investigation.
3. Where does one even begin with such a statement?
4. Where has the AFL stated anywhere that for six years Geelong "systematically" cheated and committed salary cap breaches?

There was no 'tampering with the draft' that's the thing. it was a completely bogus charge.
Did Stephen Hocking have anything to do with the investigation and handing down of the 'punishment'?
The breaches were happening consistently over a 6 year period and were not a 'one-off error'. That's considered systematic.

There was no self-reporting either. Did Geelong think what they were doing was ok or was it deliberately overlooked? Either way there's a wider issue

 

[archereleven]

It's really not.

Wut?

 

[AFaiL]

Cuddles all around from SEN

 

[RCAB]

Cuddles all around from SEN

Wouldn't even bother listening to it.

 

[AFaiL]

Fascinating how quickly “systematic governance failure” gets rebranded as “vintage Shiraz and bonding retreats” once the club in question wears blue and white hoops.

Let’s isolate the actual breach:
➤ Multiple arrangements involving club associates and third parties
➤ Non-disclosure or delayed disclosure across six seasons
➤ AFL sanctioned Geelong for violating the reporting protocols that safeguard the salary cap

That’s not... NOTHING... IT'S a documented breakdown in mandatory integrity compliance.
And the AFL’s own audit partner (EY) didn’t exonerate.. it confirmed the breach category, then soft-wrapped it under governance lingo.

Geelong still benefit.

No list impact.
No pick loss.
No historical revocation.
No real consequence.
Just “educational strengthening” and a $40k “don’t do it again” clause.

If this were Essendon, Adelaide, or Carlton we’d be reading about systemic deception.
But it’s Geelong, so it’s a picnic on the Bellarine Peninsula.

Notwithstanding even if the AirBnB freebies were only valued at $5,000 for the year - on paper it is not significant to get a player to sign.. But the intangible aspect, the repeated breaks, the ability to bring all ya family and friends down for a break etc. And this is just the smallest element of it. Maybe it adds up to half a million over a season, and maybe that is enough to retain a player or two.... Its not the old Carlton greg williams here is $150k cash from a builder, its smarter, more subtle and goes to the intangibles and the mental aspect of satsfying players AND THEIR FAMILIES to move to Bellarine