Geelong vs pies final should not be at the mcg.

[Seeds]

It appears Steve Hocking and the Geelong football club disagree with you


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No they dont. They just dont want it in the news cycle while they are preparing for finals.

 

[JohnZ]

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All I want to know is this. If the cats win the flag this year, is there any chance you people can stop complaining and banging on about the same thing you complain about every year? It got old about 10 years ago and actually shits others to no end. Do we at least have your commitment to the cause here or can we expect to see you back again next August throwing the toys out of the cot like the rest of them?

Every year I will petition for the following:

1. Every club can choose where it plays its 11 home games. Fa.rk anyone who wants to choose where I as a member can see my club play its home games for another club's members (giving them priority)

2. Every club can choose where it plays home finals in weeks 1-3. The club members pay for the club and are the lifeblood. ripping the finals off them is shit management. this only affects 4 clubs (geelong, north, dogs and saints) so should be an easy change no?

3. Rotate the grand final. In odd years play it at the G, in even years it goes SCG, AO, Optus, GABBA so they get it once every 8 years. Fairs fair, each of those states represents 1/8th of the comp so they should get 1/8th of the Grand Finals.

4. The fixture needs to either be 17 games (play everyone once), 26 games (play everyone three times over 2 years) or 34 games (play everyone twice). 22 worked when there was 12 teams, but we now have 18. Like the finals, it's time our "fixture" got modernised too.

 

[Hot_Pies_2019]

Every year I will petition for the following:

1. Every club can choose where it plays its 11 home games. Fa.rk anyone who wants to choose where I as a member can see my club play its home games for another club's members (giving them priority)

2. Every club can choose where it plays home finals in weeks 1-3. The club members pay for the club and are the lifeblood. ripping the finals off them is s**t management. this only affects 4 clubs (geelong, north, dogs and saints) so should be an easy change no?

3. Rotate the grand final. In odd years play it at the G, in even years it goes SCG, AO, Optus, GABBA so they get it once every 8 years. Fairs fair, each of those states represents 1/8th of the comp so they should get 1/8th of the Grand Finals.

4. The fixture needs to either be 17 games (play everyone once), 26 games (play everyone three times over 2 years) or 34 games (play everyone twice). 22 worked when there was 12 teams, but we now have 18. Like the finals, it's time our "fixture" got modernised too.

Every year you say? Jeez. Keep us posted yea.

 

[uranium_death]

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All I want to know is this. If the cats win the flag this year, is there any chance you people can stop complaining and banging on about the same thing you complain about every year? It got old about 10 years ago and actually shits others to no end. Do we at least have your commitment to the cause here or can we expect to see you back again next August throwing the toys out of the cot like the rest of them?

John Z is ONE person - not the entire fanbase

 

[doppleganger]

Every year I will petition for the following:

1. Every club can choose where it plays its 11 home games. Fa.rk anyone who wants to choose where I as a member can see my club play its home games for another club's members (giving them priority)

This hasnt been the case for Victorian clubs since 1970 when VFL Park was introduced.

Since that point 50 years ago, the league has always had stadium contracts in place which determine games for Victoria clubs.

2. Every club can choose where it plays home finals in weeks 1-3. The club members pay for the club and are the lifeblood. ripping the finals off them is s**t management. this only affects 4 clubs (geelong, north, dogs and saints) so should be an easy change no?

Finals arent club games.
Finals are league based games, always have been.
The league should continue to schedule finals at venues which maximise possible attendance and make the league the most $$

This is why we now have a Thursday night final, but no Sunday....prime time TV means more $$ and viewers

3. Rotate the grand final. In odd years play it at the G, in even years it goes SCG, AO, Optus, GABBA so they get it once every 8 years. Fairs fair, each of those states represents 1/8th of the comp so they should get 1/8th of the Grand Finals.

2 of 18 does not equal 1 of 8
FAIL

4. The fixture needs to either be 17 games (play everyone once), 26 games (play everyone three times over 2 years) or 34 games (play everyone twice). 22 worked when there was 12 teams, but we now have 18. Like the finals, it's time our "fixture" got modernised too.

Only thing you have a point with.

Although if move from 22

Need to consider financial implications, membership cost will probably barely change if drop back to 17....so fans paying same for less.

With less games, do TV deals fall away and therefore player salaries drop off?

 

[cat_fanatic]

How was a 2017 Friday night game at 7:50 more unsuitable for Geelong fans than Richmond fans? Was 2.5 hours not enough to travel the 77km from Kardinia Park to the MCG to watch your team play a final? How was it unsuitable for the 30,000 Geelong members in Melbourne?

Face it, you (collectively) just didn’t care enough, couldn’t be bothered, thought you’d save your money and tip it in to the budget for the prelim (that was a certainty in your minds) and/or the GF.

When you consider the travel, late arrival back to Geelong and unreliable VLine service it's unreasonable to expect families and the elderly to make the trip. Nothing to do with wanting it more. You're just trying to justify your loaded dice.

Aside from that, Richmond encouraged it's supporters to use the Geelong ticket allocation which is a dog act and typifies your club. This has since been fixed but should never have been able to be exploited in the first place.

I sincerely hope we meet again this year because we are better than you across every line, despite your decade of mediocrity resulting in having the best talent in the country available.

 

[Rockford]

2 of 18 does not equal 1 of 8
FAIL

1/8th is a lot closer to 2/18ths than 0/8ths.. which is how often the other states currently get to host a GF in our National competition. Would you be okay with a schedule that has the GF played once each in NSW, WA, QLD and SA over a 9 year period? I think most interstate supporters would be really happy with that outcome.

 

[LoungeLizard]

1/8th is a lot closer to 2/18ths than 0/8ths.. which is how often the other states currently get to host a GF in our National competition. Would you be okay with a schedule that has the GF played once each in NSW, WA, QLD and SA over a 9 year period? I think most interstate supporters would be really happy with that outcome.

It's not going to happen, in our lifetimes anyway, so I don't know why so many cry about it.

 

[doppleganger]

1/8th is a lot closer to 2/18ths than 0/8ths..

Good maths

which is how often the other states currently get to host a GF in our National competition.

What is meant by "host" a GF?

How many states host a National Rugby League final?

How many cities host the English FA Cup final?

When you have a 100k stadium designed for football it would be idiotic to have the GABBA host a Geelong v StKilda GF.

Would you be okay with a schedule that has the GF played once each in NSW, WA, QLD and SA over a 9 year period? I think most interstate supporters would be really happy with that outcome.

I am happy with the current arrangement that maximises opportunity for club and AFL members to attend and have a chance to see their team in person at a GF.

Why anybody wants to allow less members attend is beyond me?

 

[Spook]

My preference is the MCG, so long as cats fans from Geelong are considered in the ticketing and scheduling, as has been done this year. The AFL reserve and MCC are more complex to attempt to manipulate, but I can live with some inequity in these areas for the time being.

In 2017 and other years, you've had a situation where many Geelong fans couldn't get to the game due to the scheduling and Richmond was able to utilise Geelongs ticket allocation resulting in a particularly hostile environment for the home team. This is why many Geelong supporters are so adamantly opposed to playing home finals at the MCG. So long as this is not repeated, I'm good with the MCG.

Yes totally agreed, this is where the AFL need to push back against the TV rights holder.

This happens in Perth heaps, look at our time slots for things like Rugby and Thursday and Friday night games, the start is so early that Transperth can’t put special stadium busses on because they are all being used for peak hour. Not asking for the same as the east coast ie 7:40 but even 6:30 would be better than 5:30

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

I'm all for fairness is sport.

But until something is done about the uneven fixture any other fairness argument becomes less relevant.

 

[BF Tiger]

When you consider the travel, late arrival back to Geelong and unreliable VLine service it's unreasonable to expect families and the elderly to make the trip. Nothing to do with wanting it more. You're just trying to justify your loaded dice.

Aside from that, Richmond encouraged it's supporters to use the Geelong ticket allocation which is a dog act and typifies your club. This has since been fixed but should never have been able to be exploited in the first place.

I sincerely hope we meet again this year because we are better than you across every line, despite your decade of mediocrity resulting in having the best talent in the country available.

If it’s unfair to the elderly and families in Geelong it’s also unfair to those same people in Cranbourne, Frankston, Pakenham, Mernda, Hurstbridge, Belgrave, Craigieburn,… And is V-Line the only way thatCat fans can travel? No cars or buses? No Cat fans in Melbourne already? No Cat fans able to leave in the afternoon? FMD. Your excuses are lame.

If you’re referring to the tweet that suggested using CATS instead of TIGERS in the code then I’m not sure there has been any confirmation that it actually worked. I think you nuffies just took the bait. In reality Geelong had an allocation of tickets just like the Tigers. Geelong members had a timeslot in which to buy those tickets, just like Richmond members. When that timeslot was finished the tickets were opened up to the general public, and finals-ready Tiger fans snapped them up.

 

[TiggyTig]

No they dont. They just dont want it in the news cycle while they are preparing for finals.

Ok so you know what they want then lol

 

[cat_fanatic]

If it’s unfair to the elderly and families in Geelong it’s also unfair to those same people in Cranbourne, Frankston, Pakenham, Mernda, Hurstbridge, Belgrave, Craigieburn,… And is V-Line the only way thatCat fans can travel? No cars or buses? No Cat fans in Melbourne already? No Cat fans able to leave in the afternoon? FMD. Your excuses are lame.

If you’re referring to the tweet that suggested using CATS instead of TIGERS in the code then I’m not sure there has been any confirmation that it actually worked. I think you nuffies just took the bait. In reality Geelong had an allocation of tickets just like the Tigers. Geelong members had a timeslot in which to buy those tickets, just like Richmond members. When that timeslot was finished the tickets were opened up to the general public, and finals-ready Tiger fans snapped them up.

Do you honestly believe that your supporters were more "finals ready", because that's actually pretty funny.

You're deflecting. You're playing cards with an ace up the sleeve and still find a way to point the finger.

 

[doppleganger]

Do you honestly believe that your supporters were more "finals ready", because that's actually pretty funny.

You're deflecting. You're playing cards with an ace up the sleeve and still find a way to point the finger.

Finals starved Tigers more appropriate.

It would have been great to actually see Tigers out number Cat fans at CatPark and boo them down their too.

 

[Seeds]

I'm all for fairness is sport.

But until something is done about the uneven fixture any other fairness argument becomes less relevant.

Yeah i ve started a seperate thread on that already. 17-5 was the solution. The fans rejected it cos the Majority were too stupid to realize that it was the only solution to a fair fixture other than conferences.

 

[doppleganger]

Yeah i ve started a seperate thread on that already. 17-5 was the solution. The fans rejected it cos the Majority were too stupid to realize that it was the only solution to a fair fixture other than conferences.

Two conferences works well

A Melbourne conference - 9 Melbourne teams.

A non-Melbourne conference - 9 non-Melbourne teams.

That way Geelong never has to play at the G, and would get finals at CatPark against the other non-Melbourne teams.

Everybody wins.

 

[BF Tiger]

Do you honestly believe that your supporters were more "finals ready", because that's actually pretty funny.

You're deflecting. You're playing cards with an ace up the sleeve and still find a way to point the finger.

Call it what you want, but when tickets went on sale Tiger fans supporters snapped up the membership allocation and then when they went on sale to the general public Tiger fans snapped up what was left. Tiger fans were ready. You chumps down Cry-o Bay though... all you had come match day was "there were too many of them and they were too loud".

 

[Perth Cat 11]

Yes totally agreed, this is where the AFL need to push back against the TV rights holder.

This happens in Perth heaps, look at our time slots for things like Rugby and Thursday and Friday night games, the start is so early that Transperth can’t put special stadium busses on because they are all being used for peak hour. Not asking for the same as the east coast ie 7:40 but even 6:30 would be better than 5:30

Could not agree more with this statement.

 

[Perth Cat 11]

It's true that Geelong are one of the smaller clubs, but I think they get at least as many people to the G as GWS.

Funny that Richmond insisted on hosting their semi final against the Saints, in 2020, at the much smaller Metricon Stadium- approximately the same distance from the ‘Gabba as the MCG is to KP. Needless to say, Richmond’s was granted.

 

[eddiesmith]

Finals starved Tigers more appropriate.

It would have been great to actually see Tigers out number Cat fans at CatPark and boo them down their too.

Do you think Geelong fans are smart enough to understand that a final at Geelong v Collingwood or Richmond they’d be massively outnumbered due to finals ticket allocations? Do you think they realise it’s not the majority to the home team?

Nah, 38 pages says they’re all clueless

 

[Danw0w]

Funny that Richmond insisted on hosting their semi final against the Saints, in 2020, at the much smaller Metricon Stadium- approximately the same distance from the ‘Gabba as the MCG is to KP. Needless to say, Richmond’s was granted.

Yeah bro they would have definitely gotten a full house at the Gabba for Richmond vs St Kilda.

 

[doppleganger]

Funny that Richmond insisted on hosting their semi final against the Saints, in 2020, at the much smaller Metricon Stadium- approximately the same distance from the ‘Gabba as the MCG is to KP. Needless to say, Richmond’s was granted.

2020 a covid year when crowds were a secondary consideration to actually getting the game away.

Was 10k at the Gabba for Saints v Dogs EF, and 13k at Metricon for Tigers v Saints.

Slightly different to locking 60k fans out

 

[z547043]

I'm all for fairness is sport.

But until something is done about the uneven fixture any other fairness argument becomes less relevant.

I really find this type of logic baffling and you are not on your own with this view, but I can’t wrap my head around it. AFL and by extension Australian sport in general is focused solely on winners. Unlike other countries with major sporting leagues across the world with things like champions league qualification, cups, division and conference championships that all are tangible measures of success; In this country and it’s major sport, there is only one measure, a Premiership. Anything else is deemed a failure by the majority and you need look no further than BigFooty to see this.

Surely, inequities in the finals series and the location of the GF (the home ground of 5 big Melbourne based clubs) would have the biggest impact on team’s ability to have a successful season. One off knockout games or progression finals where a team gains an advantage that they haven’t actually earned, but have received by virtue of the finishing position of another club will surely have a bigger effect on the chances of a successful season for both those teams than a 22 round fixture. Surely the margin for error for good teams is greater for the class to overcome and make top 4 or a minimum top 8. A 20 win WA team playing a 15 win Richmond, Hawthorn, Essendon, Carlton or Collingwood in a GF at the MCG surely impacts the chances of the respective teams achieving a successful year more than one of them playing x,y,z twice or the other playing u,y,z twice.

Surely, when it’s cut throat and the stakes are at their greatest, those inequalities, given that 2nd is abject failure in this country, should be the ones that the sport tries to eliminate first.

Regardless, the AFL won’t change anytime in my lifetime, but I find it odd that someone can claim to be about fairness, but is willing to ignore and overlook the biggest inequality in the AFL which occurs when the stakes are at the highest.

 

[doppleganger]

Do you think Geelong fans are smart enough to understand that a final at Geelong v Collingwood or Richmond they’d be massively outnumbered due to finals ticket allocations? Do you think they realise it’s not the majority to the home team?

Nah, 38 pages says they’re all clueless

They actually think they are entitled to a r9 style home final, where social club and reserve seat holders will just get their same seats! It is hilarious.

Come finals it is a clean slate.

The AFL will allocate a section of the ground for AFL members (of which the Pies dominate), they then give competing club members allocations.

A final at CatPark would have more Pies fans than Cats.