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Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

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No good beating your man if you're going to kick it to his mate right afterwards, I think is the issue people have.
No point picking guys who are much better kicks or faster if they can't beat their man either. It is why all the fawning over Clark has me miffed, he's still just a prospect but there is literally no one from our backline I'd rather him in the side ahead of. Not one.

All of MOC, Henry, Kolo, Taylor, Hendo, Blicavs, Stewart, Tuohy and Bews know how to defend. For me that is the starting point. Everything else is secondary.
I think Kolo gets thrown under the bus by the gameplan a bit though. He needs to take the less dynamic forwards (Riewoldt etc) and is to be absolutely BANNED from short kicks sideways. Maybe even short kicks at all.
Not that simple IMO. Cameron and DeGoey are dynamic and he matches up well on them, not sure I'd trust any of MOC, Henry or Bews on DeGoey and the only other that could take Cameron imo is Bews. But he too like JK is blasted on here for disposal, as is Blicavs.

I still revert back to guys who can beat their man though. You can't do that then you have no place being on an AFL list as a defender.
 
No point picking guys who are much better kicks or faster if they can't beat their man either. It is why all the fawning over Clark has me miffed, he's still just a prospect but there is literally no one from our backline I'd rather him in the side ahead of. Not one.

All of MOC, Henry, Kolo, Taylor, Hendo, Blicavs, Stewart, Tuohy and Bews know how to defend. For me that is the starting point. Everything else is secondary.

Not that simple IMO. Cameron and DeGoey are dynamic and he matches up well on them, not sure I'd trust any of MOC, Henry or Bews on DeGoey and the only other that could take Cameron imo is Bews. But he too like JK is blasted on here for disposal, as is Blicavs.

I still revert back to guys who can beat their man though. You can't do that then you have no place being on an AFL list as a defender.
Clark looks more a wingman to me than a defender. Super quick, can take a grab and has a penetrating kick.
 
I think it’s time for Taylor to def retire. Henderson on this years form deserves a further year. We need to probably trial a few options to replace Taylor - Dek, Kreuger or even Henry.
Get games into the kids ..if they get stuck Blitz can be moved back .. and Sdek can move sideways.. someone like Kolo has played on the wing before... im sure they can make it work. Kruger at CHB ? It would be a heck of a change for our backline ..but both of them are quiet good overhead.

The off the wall trial would it be JJ down back in the VFL cause I cant see where he fits up forward at all. If he is getting kept around .. for what role?
 
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Get games into the kids ..if they get stuck Blitz can be moved back .. and Sdek can move sideways.. someone like Kolo has played on the wing before... im sure the can make it work. Kruger at CHB ? It would be a heck of a change for our backline ..but both of them are quiet good overhead.

The off the wall trial would it be JJ down back in the VFL cause I cant see where he fits up forward at all. If he is getting kept around .. for what role?
I think JJ will only play if covering for an injured player. He is no where near our best 22, I'd prefer to see him go but he does still have a year left on his contract
 

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No point picking guys who are much better kicks or faster if they can't beat their man either. It is why all the fawning over Clark has me miffed, he's still just a prospect but there is literally no one from our backline I'd rather him in the side ahead of. Not one.

All of MOC, Henry, Kolo, Taylor, Hendo, Blicavs, Stewart, Tuohy and Bews know how to defend. For me that is the starting point. Everything else is secondary.
Think Hardwick might suggest hitting exit targets is quite important. Perhaps breaking lines and not being top heavy too.

One on the things he said post-game was that at half time he made adjustments to the back half in order to address those very matters. Vlastuin going down had thrown out the balance of course.

Our back half has been aided by Blitz and Menegola and other wingers rolling back in support. London to a brick our back half will have a different look next year.
 
Think Hardwick might suggest hitting exit targets is quite important. Perhaps breaking lines and not being top heavy too.

One on the things he said post-game was that at half time he made adjustments to the back half in order to address those very matters. Vlastuin going down had thrown out the balance of course.

Our back half has been aided by Blitz and Menegola and other wingers rolling back in support. London to a brick our back half will have a different look next year.
Any idea where we can find some that do both?
That would make the whole discussion rather moot.

Until then. Guys who can defend but can't use the ball > Guys who can use the ball but can't defend.
 
Any idea where we can find some that do both?
That would make the whole discussion rather moot.

Until then. Guys who can defend but can't use the ball > Guys who can use the ball but can't defend.
It's not either or. You need both as well as other skills. Defending is the simple part of the game. Using the ball well, particularly under pressure, takes ability.

I have notes on what SW looks for in recruits and "efficient ball use" is a high priority.
 
It's not either or. You need both as well as other skills. Defending is the simple part of the game. Using the ball well, particularly under pressure, takes ability.

I have notes on what SW looks for in recruits and "efficient ball use" is a high priority.
Well, our group clearly doesn't have many who are good at both. Who on the list could play the roles of Bews, Henry, Kolodjashnij and Blicavs and can use the footy?
These are the guys we are talking about, let's be real. It isn't a problem with Hendo or Stewart or Tuohy.

Do Zac Guthrie, Nathan Kreuger, Sam DeKoning, Jordan Clark or Stefan Okunbor possess better skills or a better ability to defend than those we pick regularly??
 
Why not as a fwd pocket pressure forward?


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I'd play 2E as a forward tagger type.
To play on Short, Lloyd ,Daniel types.

Just my 2cents worth.
 
Would love Witherden, 22 years old, quick, a great long kick.
A half back line of Clark Hendo Witherden would inject so much pace with great ball use and intercept marking ability.

If Cocky wants out a trade for Witherden would be ideal. Not sure if Cocky is OOC but I'm sure we could work something out.
Theyll want way more than Cocky's value for Witherden, contracted for another 2 years and Rich and Birchall are both the wrong side of 30.
 
If Steven has a huge off-season (which I think he will given how close we are win/lose today), then he fills that 'star mid' role by default. Allows Danger to play mainly forward and gives us another AA mid in the centre.

Given how fit he looked before he did his hammy, I'd be very surprised if he didn't come back from the off-season in ripping shape. Still only 29, and had two years out from the game, so no reason that he can't still play a huge role over the next 2-3 years
Steven is 31 in March, they fall off a cliff at that age in regular circumstances and the guy effectively hasnt played in 2 years, huge ask to expect much from him at all.
 
Well, our group clearly doesn't have many who are good at both. Who on the list could play the roles of Bews, Henry, Kolodjashnij and Blicavs and can use the footy?
These are the guys we are talking about, let's be real. It isn't a problem with Hendo or Stewart or Tuohy.

Do Zac Guthrie, Nathan Kreuger, Sam DeKoning, Jordan Clark or Stefan Okunbor possess better skills or a better ability to defend than those we pick regularly??
I'll leave it to the experts as to who will step-up and/or be trained-up from the existing list. And the recruiters to find one or two. Just making the point it's not an either/or thing as you suggest.
 
Theyll want way more than Cocky's value for Witherden, contracted for another 2 years and Rich and Birchall are both the wrong side of 30.
Most likely that they'll want more than Cocky.
I'm getting abit over Geelong becoming a retirement home for the over 30s. I understand that we can keep our window open but no point losing our future by continously topping up.
Our average squad age is 28.9.
We've got great picks, it's time to hit the draft and bring in some great kid's
 

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I’d trade Kolo. Him and Henry in the same team doesn’t work. Need more run like the Tigers have with Short and Houli. Clark needs to play.
People always compare our defence to Richmond but they played 4 guys over 190cm all finals series and Vlastuin isn't exactly short either, our smalls just don't do enough in comparison.
 
People always compare our defence to Richmond but they played 4 guys over 190cm all finals series and Vlastuin isn't exactly short either, our smalls just don't do enough in comparison.

They also had Short and Houli who are terrific on the way out. Stewart is of course a terrific defender and was freed up to play a more offensive role but we needed at least one more. Our defence isn’t terrible - I’m not saying that - but needs a tweak.
 
They also had Short and Houli who are terrific on the way out. Stewart is of course a terrific defender and was freed up to play a more offensive role but we needed at least one more. Our defence isn’t terrible - I’m not saying that - but needs a tweak.

Thats the story for our side. I don't think we are terrible in any area, in fact we may have almost maxed out some of the areas in the side and most of the time we are pretty good. ..and adding the likes of Higgins will probably maintain that. One can see him coming in and doing well and lessening weak links. Smith seems highly rated by many so lets say he does the same. Cameron at his best a serious forward... and none of these help D. I have admire Richs addition of Bolta , done in there window.
For us, he may be green and raw but the addition of a young kid like SDEk and with a Clark and another similar player would make us younger , fresher ..and probably less reliable.
 
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Taylor has to retire. Been great but adds very little


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Except completely wiping out the best tall fwd the opposition all season. His finals series was amazing. Anybody that says otherwise is absolutely taking the p1ss and knows zero about football.

I shudder to think how the undersized Hendo, Kolo and Henry will be containing the power fwds next year.
 
Except completely wiping out the best tall fwd the opposition all season. His finals series was amazing. Anybody that says otherwise is absolutely taking the p1ss and knows zero about football.

I shudder to think how the undersized Hendo, Kolo and Henry will be containing the power fwds next year.

Henderson is taller than Taylor
196 vs 195

Blicavs was excellent as a backman and is 198



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Except completely wiping out the best tall fwd the opposition all season. His finals series was amazing. Anybody that says otherwise is absolutely taking the p1ss and knows zero about football.

I shudder to think how the undersized Hendo, Kolo and Henry will be containing the power fwds next year.

He was good but Dixon dropped about 3 chest marks and both him and Hipwood missed easy shots at goal that may have changed view on Taylor's finals performances marginally.
 
They also had Short and Houli who are terrific on the way out. Stewart is of course a terrific defender and was freed up to play a more offensive role but we needed at least one more. Our defence isn’t terrible - I’m not saying that - but needs a tweak.
This our defenders are relying to heavily on the support of our mids dropping back they need to be given the tools to be more self sufficient. on top of this the mids are being asked to supply the goals as well,this gruelling run up and down the ground game plan for the mid field group needs a re think a second key forward a jack in the box marking medium tall and Miers permanently forward would help take pressure off them and keep us in games later in the season for longer with the reduced work load.
 
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It's not either or. You need both as well as other skills. Defending is the simple part of the game. Using the ball well, particularly under pressure, takes ability.

I have notes on what SW looks for in recruits and "efficient ball use" is a high priority.
Fogarty?
 
He was good but Dixon dropped about 3 chest marks and both him and Hipwood missed easy shots at goal that may have changed view on Taylor's finals performances marginally.
Who was the Port player who played on Hawkins in the qual final. Classic example of on paper he looks to have done a very good job. Harry has been fantastic... and if he wants to stay , maybe we find a spot ..but we have to push onwards. Do we want to be sitting here in 12 months with still no games in our potentials?Will Harry still be able to go another 12 months? Its a bit hard to just shed him when we are chasing other older types..
 
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