Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Strange Cat]

I disagree with this because we are no longer in a position to win a flag.
You saw how easily we were bullied by Collingwood just as they did to us in the final last year. We aren't at that level.
We were a couple of years ago (even without a ruck) but we now play in bursts and when a game gets testing, we wilt under pressure. We completely turned the tables on Brisbane a few weeks ago but you really think if both teams meet again in a final, we can beat them?

This is why even gaining the best ruckman in the game next year, we just aren't going anywhere so why go down the road of recruiting 30+ year old for?
Why not look to developing players 22-24 and then by the time they do reach Stanley's age, we are in a much better position to impact the competition. We did this under Mark Thompson and it worked wonders.

The last collingwood game that we were missing several of our best players? The last collingwood game that we went down by a few points?

righhhhhhhttttttttttt

 

[00VicWard001]

The discussion in the last couple of pages ..on trade outs for picks ...or as id prefer to say ..make space to give younger players a chance. Has been good. Of course our debate will have no affect at all on what our club does but still part of what we type is about what we would do. not what they will do.

I was thinking while watching Norths form the last few weeks ... just where would we be I wonder if everything the club had aimed for had come off..We probably would have Higgins and GStien playing for us ... would we better or worse with that outcome?

Clarkson is finally getting a bit of heat at Hawthorn but he stands by his approach, which seems to be more a fresh coat of paint rather than a rebuild... Its sort of hard to argue with the the tailor of the hawthorn wardrobe of success but is it starting to look like the tailors latest effort is reminiscent of the Emperor's new clothes. Just how much has the paint of coat relied on the foundation of the draft at the start of Clarksons era?

Haw, Syd and Geelong have been strong in the refurbish approach.. Syd have had the advantage of multiple NGA type players who would have gone at the top the draft . Heeney , Mills , Blakey were all better than any kid Geelong has had access to ...yet the Swans are still looking like they have been left on the vine too long.

We have been very clever, have blended trades and value drafts, had failures everyone does .. but our failure as I see it is we really have not replaced the old guys as our best players. Danger sure.. but after that we are still so reliant on the older players..and when the younger players are our best players.. just how good will we be?

There have been many that have been writing us off for a long time yet we have not dropped but soon ..Joel and Tom will be gone and then the last of the draft foundation we built flags on will be gone. Perhaps we could count Duncan but even he is not far from 30.. and MD has never been the main guy.

So to me its not so much about what we get for the Menegola in trade but more about trying to find players who can be the next group. Are we giving youth enough of chance? Do we have the quality of youth to give a chance? Playing a kid will probably mean less , which see us drop and then we will get access to better draft options. Having the good journey guys help us stay in contention and less chance to find the next Selwood.

If we just scrape into finals, and if we don't make top4 ... are we really in contention? If not.. do we just add more matures and continue on as we have with Menegola and Guthrie etc or do we try to go with the pain of playing younger types?

Pretty sure that the club is thinking about this too. They would be acutely aware of the aging stars and the need to replace them. Why do you think they keep persisting with Ratagolea when he has had some very quiet games? Likewise Narkle and Parfitt - and giving them a lot of time in the midfield.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Riley Thilthorpe could be there for us as he has been touted as going within the top 20.
Last I read, he's over 200cm tall and can also play forward.

He'll go top 5.

 

[My Tilly]

He'll go top 5.

Ah ok.
Well, all we need is West Coast to lose their mojo again and drift back down the ladder.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The discussion in the last couple of pages ..on trade outs for picks ...or as id prefer to say ..make space to give younger players a chance. Has been good. Of course our debate will have no affect at all on what our club does but still part of what we type is about what we would do. not what they will do.

I was thinking while watching Norths form the last few weeks ... just where would we be I wonder if everything the club had aimed for had come off..We probably would have Higgins and GStien playing for us ... would we better or worse with that outcome?

Clarkson is finally getting a bit of heat at Hawthorn but he stands by his approach, which seems to be more a fresh coat of paint rather than a rebuild... Its sort of hard to argue with the the tailor of the hawthorn wardrobe of success but is it starting to look like the tailors latest effort is reminiscent of the Emperor's new clothes. Just how much has the paint of coat relied on the foundation of the draft at the start of Clarksons era?

Haw, Syd and Geelong have been strong in the refurbish approach.. Syd have had the advantage of multiple NGA type players who would have gone at the top the draft . Heeney , Mills , Blakey were all better than any kid Geelong has had access to ...yet the Swans are still looking like they have been left on the vine too long.

We have been very clever, have blended trades and value drafts, had failures everyone does .. but our failure as I see it is we really have not replaced the old guys as our best players. Danger sure.. but after that we are still so reliant on the older players..and when the younger players are our best players.. just how good will we be?

There have been many that have been writing us off for a long time yet we have not dropped but soon ..Joel and Tom will be gone and then the last of the draft foundation we built flags on will be gone. Perhaps we could count Duncan but even he is not far from 30.. and MD has never been the main guy.

So to me its not so much about what we get for the Menegola in trade but more about trying to find players who can be the next group. Are we giving youth enough of chance? Do we have the quality of youth to give a chance? Playing a kid will probably mean less , which see us drop and then we will get access to better draft options. Having the good journey guys help us stay in contention and less chance to find the next Selwood.

If we just scrape into finals, and if we don't make top4 ... are we really in contention? If not.. do we just add more matures and continue on as we have with Menegola and Guthrie etc or do we try to go with the pain of playing younger types?

I don’t know if these traditional rebuilds are such a thing anymore. I think the only rule we should have moving forward is just keep our top picks unless it’s someone 25 or under who is an A grader wanting to come to the club only, then part way with a round one pick. Otherwise continue to just bring in the best talent through all available methods including trades Free agency draft. Utilize all avenues

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Riley Thilthorpe could be there for us as he has been touted as going within the top 20.
Last I read, he's over 200cm tall and can also play forward.

hes going pick 1 to Adelaide.. can almost bookmark that now given they will finish last and are keen on a key forward

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Rule #1 for me when trading a player in.... dont expect them to give you any more than they are producing at their current club... so yes investigate.

I agree with that rule.. but funny enough we have been getting players from other clubs to perform better in geelong colors quite consistently.

henderson playeD his best footy for geelong and was average at Carlton before crossing over.

scott selwood- injury issues so cant compare

dangerfield- took his game to another level to become the games best at geelong and a brownlow medalist.

Rohan- was close to mid year AA side last year if it was picked mid year. Was on fire for a period and played best footy of his career during this patch. Sydney board was going nuts at how we utilized him better than they did.

sure there are others but generally if injuries haven’t been present we have gotten the best out of players crossing over and the ones who have left turn out spuds

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Ah ok.
Well, all we need is West Coast to lose their mojo again and drift back down the ladder.

We'll finish lower than the Eagles. I also reckon pick 11 will come before the pick we have from West Coast.

 

[Turbocat]

He'll go top 5.

One would think TThorpe would go to Adelaide but they have surprised before..

 

[Turbocat]

I don’t know if these traditional rebuilds are such a thing anymore. I think the only rule we should have moving forward is just keep our top picks unless it’s someone 25 or under who is an A grader wanting to come to the club only, then part way with a round one pick. Otherwise continue to just bring in the best talent through all available methods including trades Free agency draft. Utilize all avenues

Tradition changes all the time but if you dont put a floor of talent in , you will not get enough quality thru trades and FA ..with current rules. If the AFL change FA to 4 year maybe even 6 then there would be a lot more talent available that way. The best sides nearly always have a group of early drafted players. yes you can grab someone like Rohan and Danger to try and rejig the numbers but Dangers are rare ..meanwhile ... over at Port Adelaide kids like Rozze say hello. Im not saying you have to tank or sell the farm but I think its almost unseen trying to win a flag with our current list profile and it will get harder if we do not replace Selwood and Hawkins with like type players. (Hawkins FS may as well been top 5) ..

 

[Turbocat]

We'll finish lower than the Eagles. I also reckon pick 11 will come before the pick we have from West Coast.

If things keep down a certain path our pick could come before pick 11.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Tradition changes all the time but if you dont put a floor of talent in , you will not get enough quality thru trades and FA ..with current rules. If the AFL change FA to 4 year maybe even 6 then there would be a lot more talent available that way. The best sides nearly always have a group of early drafted players. yes you can grab someone like Rohan and Danger to try and rejig the numbers but Dangers are rare ..meanwhile ... over at Port Adelaide kids like Rozze say hello. Im not saying you have to tank or sell the farm but I think its almost unseen trying to win a flag with our current list profile and it will get harder if we do not replace Selwood and Hawkins with like type players. (Hawkins FS may as well been top 5) ..

hawkins was the no1 pick that year. Despite what people say about Gibbs gumbleton as I watched all the carnival games that year and he was the standout no 1.

We do need to focus on the draft and to bring in talent. But focusing on the draft alone can also lead to a lot of failure and a gamble as well.

you mention port Adelaide. Port Adelaide have barely done a thing since 2007.. 13 years of failures outside of one year making top four. Port Adelaide have gone to the draft over and over and over for more than a decade and only moderately now are seeing results.

We need to focus on all aspects draft, trading, FA and not to knock any of them back as good opportunities come knocking.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I think Geelong should use their first draft pick on the best talented ruckman available in the draft. It's a very risky choice as majority of ruckman are picked late and some even via the rookie draft but we need to also keep in mind it will take around 5 years to develop a ruckman so while Dangerfield, Hawkins, Selwood and Duncan will be gone by then, we won't have to be in this current situation again.

From the sounds of it there aren't any rucks in this draft that anyone is sure will be an afl player. Highly probable that pick would be a total loss

 

[geelong_crazy26]

One would think TThorpe would go to Adelaide but they have surprised before..

Is looking the no1 pick more and more as the season goes on to Adelaide.

 

[My Tilly]

From the sounds of it there aren't any rucks in this draft that anyone is sure will be an afl player. Highly probable that pick would be a total loss

Fair enough.
Just hope we punt on more ruckman in the coming drafts as we will nail one of them if we do so.
Was good to see us go for Fort a few years back, so far, looks like he's a bust but sooner or later, it'll work out for us.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

We'll finish lower than the Eagles. I also reckon pick 11 will come before the pick we have from West Coast.

agree.. a lot will be shaped over the next two weeks with west coast playing both collingwood and us.

if west coast lose both I think they struggle to make top four and is a chance they miss the 8. If they win both which is a possibility they make top four as they go 6-3...

Those two scenarios are both possible and will shape the direction of west coast. Or possibly 1/1 and it’s still up in the air.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I don’t know if these traditional rebuilds are such a thing anymore. I think the only rule we should have moving forward is just keep our top picks unless it’s someone 25 or under who is an A grader wanting to come to the club only, then part way with a round one pick. Otherwise continue to just bring in the best talent through all available methods including trades Free agency draft. Utilize all avenues

Traditional rebuilds worked back when the afl was handing out priority picks like candy.

Now the difference in the side that wins the premiership and the one that gets the spoon is pick 1. If you pick Tom Boyd at pick 1 then all your other picks are after the side that win the flag.

People have swallowed the AFL selling point that short term failure builds long term success, but the reality looks like the two aren't related.

Should we be playing more kids? Yeah, but only because we'd want to have more information on the ooc kids.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Fair enough.
Just hope we punt on more ruckman in the coming drafts as we will nail one of them if we do so.
Was good to see us go for Fort a few years back, so far, looks like he's a bust but sooner or later, it'll work out for us.

Fort I think it's improving but he's still a way off. They did cat b list schlensog and he is rucking scratch matches.

I think the second round pick we have this year is a good option for a ruck

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Fair enough.
Just hope we punt on more ruckman in the coming drafts as we will nail one of them if we do so.
Was good to see us go for Fort a few years back, so far, looks like he's a bust but sooner or later, it'll work out for us.

apparently we have gone and signed a category B rookie basketball 19 year old who is 204cm well built and athletic. So let’s see how that turns out

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Fair enough.
Just hope we punt on more ruckman in the coming drafts as we will nail one of them if we do so.
Was good to see us go for Fort a few years back, so far, looks like he's a bust but sooner or later, it'll work out for us.

Also "a few years back" was 18 months ago

 

[CatToTheFuture]

apparently we have gone and signed a category B rookie basketball 19 year old who is 204cm well built and athletic. So let’s see how that turns out

Yeah here's hoping. Though as far as I know that rumour came from one Carlton fan on bf

 

[Turbocat]

hawkins was the no1 pick that year. Despite what people say about Gibbs gumbleton as I watched all the carnival games that year and he was the standout no 1.

We do need to focus on the draft and to bring in talent. But focusing on the draft alone can also lead to a lot of failure and a gamble as well.

you mention port Adelaide. Port Adelaide have barely done a thing since 2007.. 13 years of failures outside of one year making top four. Port Adelaide have gone to the draft over and over and over for more than a decade and only moderately now are seeing results.

We need to focus on all aspects draft, trading, FA and not to knock any of them back as good opportunities come knocking.

I watched the carnival too and it want not quite as black and white as you say.....

I mention PA yes cause after the went for Motlop etc ..they did a quick u turn and went to draft

 

[My Tilly]

apparently we have gone and signed a category B rookie basketball 19 year old who is 204cm well built and athletic. So let’s see how that turns out

I remember us doing the same thing with Ryan Bathie and it didn't pan out.
Again, not a fan of going for big blokes who switched sports later on. Their skills are not AFL standard.

 

[Turbocat]

Traditional rebuilds worked back when the afl was handing out priority picks like candy.

Now the difference in the side that wins the premiership and the one that gets the spoon is pick 1. If you pick Tom Boyd at pick 1 then all your other picks are after the side that win the flag.

People have swallowed the AFL selling point that short term failure builds long term success, but the reality looks like the two aren't related.

Should we be playing more kids? Yeah, but only because we'd want to have more information on the ooc kids.

The double up affect having two or more R1 picks in the one year is a prime way to build the list whether its priority picks ... FA comps or special comp like the suns last year...

 

[Turbocat]

apparently we have gone and signed a category B rookie basketball 19 year old who is 204cm well built and athletic. So let’s see how that turns out

The one mentioned earlier in here? Link or grapevine? Till I see these guys play im sceptical of getting anything from them ..but at that size its promising