Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists... Part II

[fpm84]

Foxfooty.com.au understands the Cats said no to a straight swap for Pick 27 late last week, believing Clark is worth more given he’s a contracted player.

But Fremantle’s proposal was based on the premise that Clark has not been able to cement himself in Chris Scott

Chris Scott

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16.6

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11.2

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5.4

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5.1

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1.6

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0.4

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13.2

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’s best 22 on a weekly basis since debuting in 2019.

Geelong’s first offer to Freo was to ask for Pick 8, which was rejected about as quickly as the Dockers’ proposal to them.

AFL trades live: Mega Pies-Suns pick swap first deal DONE; Cats’ top-10 request denied

Trade wrap: Mega Pies-Suns pick swap first deal DONE; Cats’ top-10 request denied

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[TheCattery2007]

Is your avatar Mitch Duncan? Looks like a Bay City Roller

Yep, a young Mitch. Stumbled across it and couldn't resist.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Ah yes, that old chestnut. Player X is sh*t and therefore expendable but I expect other clubs will pay through the nose for him.

Not really up for a debate - just sharing my opinion.

I never once implied that Menegola was sh*t. What I stated was that we need to refresh our list, and in my opinion Menegola was not "untouchable". So in that sense, he is one of a few best 22 players who should / could be considered as tradeable if Geelong were looking to move up the draft order, or to help bring in a specific player to fill a gap on our list.

We don't achieve that by putting players like Zac Guthrie and Sam Simpson up. But we do potentially achieve it by putting the likes of Menegola and Kolo on the table. We did ok for large chunks of this year (and last) without the likes of Duncan and Dangerfield - Menegola is not in that category, so if he has trade value as a consistent player in a high performing team, then it's not beyond comprehension that he's gettable if another club has draft picks they're prepared to part with.

So I'll make my original point again - pick 15 to 20 for Menegola and I'd run like we stole something. That should not be confused for me saying he can't play, is not a decent human and is not in our best 22.

 

[MacStradbroke]

At this rate pick 27 could stay at 27.

Yeah ok, lunacy.
I pretty much got told the same thing by West Coast supporters in regard to my Kelly suggestion that ended up being slightly less than what West Coast traded. The pick 27 actually won't slip past 29. In all likelihood the Bulldogs keep one pick before 27 as part of the Darcy trade as they don't have a lot of list spots vacant.

Tucker is way better than you give him credit for. Not really phased if you disagree or not. Im pretty much never wrong on this stuff. We will wait and see. Bookmark my post and tell me if it turns out the pick is before 25.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Fremantle did ask and receive pick 2 for Weller

Gold coast were desperate to get anyone to go there though.

 

[sgt5]

is it really in our best interest to keep a kid here who wants to go home and chew up a list spot just to ask to be traded in 12 months time uncontracted?

If it sets a precedent that we won't let contracted players go for peanuts - yes, it is in our best interest

 

[Overhang]

If it sets a precedent that we won't let contracted players go for peanuts - yes, it is in our best interest

The flipside there is you get a shitty reputation amoung players that you don't value player welfare, this can affect you as a destination club. Regardless pick 27 isn't peanuts, fair value isn't much more

 

[catman2006]

If it sets a precedent that we won't let contracted players go for peanuts - yes, it is in our best interest

we start at 8 freo at 35 and they meet in the middle somewhere standard tactic really

 

[Strange Cat]

The flipside there is you get a shitty reputation amoung players that you don't value player welfare, this can affect you as a destination club. Regardless pick 27 isn't peanuts, fair value isn't much more

Problem is he was pick 15 and is contracted , where the pick 27 will blow out to pick 30-31 …I suspect if a trade is done it’ll be somewhere in the middle

 

[year of the cat]

Ralphy suggesting Geelong have asked Fremantle for pick 8 for Clark. Love it.

Wells has become a born again bad ass

 

[Strange Cat]

Wells has become a born again bad ass

Or the club knows that Freo won’t cough that up and hence keeps Clark

 

[GeelongFTW]

I agree. If we assume Selwood retires at the end of next year (pains me to write it), that's about $800k to 900k freed up. Others on less money but still quite good coin also coming to the end of their careers. We will definitely be in Walsh's ear (amongst others) about a big contract, good culture, two power forwards (I'm sure Hawkins will still be going for a couple of years). It's interesting that Walsh isn't in any rush, why would he be?

He just needs to look at what they've done to Cripps to see what's gonna happen to him if he stays at Carlton.

 

[bombersboy]

Freemantle will have picks 6 and 8 once the Cerra deal gets done. Some options maybe
Pick 8 for Clark
They trade pick 8 and try to turn it onto 2 second rounders (one a low second round pick which comes to us for Clark)
Pick 8 to us and Clark plus pick 55 (hopefully) or worst pick 34 to Freemantle

 

[Overhang]

Problem is he was pick 15 and is contracted , where the pick 27 will blow out to pick 30-31 …I suspect if a trade is done it’ll be somewhere in the middle

Players trade value depreciates a lot quicker than they appreciate, players who are a late first pick that spend 3 years on a list and still aren't best 22 can't expect a first round pick back. Again though is it really worth keeping him on the list for another 12 months just to move up 6 places in the draft order next year (that's only if he has a reasonable year) otherwise you're looking at 40+

 

[Shadow89]

Or the club knows that Freo won’t cough that up and hence keeps Clark

Same tactic as with Kelly. Which is interesting, because it means we've spoken with Clark and he's not too desperate to leave - with the understanding that we want to keep him too and won't release him unless it's for something worthwhile.

Will be very interesting to see how this all goes...

 

[Shadow89]

Seen the news about Collingwood trading Suns for picks 22,46,58.

Which would leave them: picks 22,36,41,43,46,48,58 = 2957 points...

Now they won't need 22, so I have been playing with a three way (Geel, Coll, WBD) trade that would suit all parties... Here goes.

- To work a trade for Darcy Fort for picks 50&60 is needed.

Geel IN pick 17 (WBD), 22 (Coll) - 1937 in points
OUT Kruger, pick 30, 32, 34, (above 50&60) - 2153 in point
Coll IN Lips, Kruger, pick 34 (542 points)
OUT pick 22 (845 points)
WBD IN picks 30, 32, 50, 60 (1611 in points)
OUT pick 17 (1025 points), Lips

In all Collingwood get 2 player for a cost of 303 points, they already have enough with the GC trade.
Geelong move up the draft and can take 17,22 and 54 to the draft (plus anything we get in a future deal with Clark)
WBD Increase points to 1611 would need 1787 points to match a bid at pick 3 so only 175 points short of that...

I thinks everyone walks away happy thoughts?

Not bad at all. Tbh, I'd just give the Dogs 52 as well, so they could make up the 175 point shortfall, and everyone walks away happy. Just take an extra rook instead

 

[catstorm]

What would be the points breakdown of Clark and one of our 2nds for pick 8, what does that value Clark at?

 

[sgt5]

Players trade value depreciates a lot quicker than they appreciate, players who are a late first pick that spend 3 years on a list and still aren't best 22 can't expect a first round pick back. Again though is it really worth keeping him on the list for another 12 months just to move up 6 places in the draft order next year (that's only if he has a reasonable year) otherwise you're looking at 40+

Price depends on two things - how much the seller needs to sell and how much the buyer needs to buy. In this case, we don't really need to sell - we're happy to keep Clarke. But Freo have a hole in their list after losing Cerra and they have identified Clarke as the replacement i.e. they need him. So the price goes up.
(Same applied to the Weller trade - which Freo gleefully took advantage of - what goes around, comes around, as they say)

Maybe also Clarke doesn't really care as long as he is guaranteed to play - so player welfare may not be a big issue here.

Good time to play hardball. Geelong should go after 8, for Clark and a pick in return. This should be a no-lose situation for Geelong - they either get what they want, or they keep Clarke and play him.

 

[catstorm]

Price depends on two things - how much the seller needs to sell and how much the buyer needs to buy. In this case, we don't really need to sell - we're happy to keep Clarke. But Freo have a hole in their list after losing Cerra and they have identified Clarke as the replacement i.e. they need him. So the price goes up.
(Same applied to the Weller trade - which Freo gleefully took advantage of - what goes around, comes around, as they say)

Maybe also Clarke doesn't really care as long as he is guaranteed to play - so player welfare may not be a big issue here.

Good time to play hardball. Geelong should go after 8, for Clark and a pick in return. This should be a no-lose situation for Geelong - they either get what they want, or they keep Clarke and play him.

Yeah this is a situation were we absolutely must play hardball, for RFAs yeah you need to compromise and usualy take unders but for a contracted player like Clark keep him or fleece them.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

You won't get Tucker as a delisted free agent. He is already being talked about as part of the Clark trade. Tucker is a very good player when he's had a decent run with injury.

For such a clean city, you'd expect the water to be the same.

 

[foodles05]

THis draft is considered to have terrific depth. Many teams are particularly impressed with the talent in the first 25 picks. It's not vastly compromised by any stretch. Picks will have way more value than the value of their points equivalent.

I love these brilliant seemingly baseless assessments. Please enlighten us as to how you have determined this picture? Because I can tell you there is very little room for strong confidence in this draft as players just have not been seen enough. I speak to recruiters every week and they bemoan how hard their job will be this year. Please try not the read a couple of articles and parrot them as truth. It's a bit embarrassing.

 

[ShaunWDT]

We arent getting a top 10 pick for a bloke we've hardly played in 2 years, laughable counter deal really.

 

[stac]

send Menegola to gold coast for 22, 43, 55, 58, 66 as they don't have room for many players so will not value later picks so we could get overs
send 34, 55, 58, 66, 52 ( increase value to get ahead of other clubs vying for same deal )to the dogs for 17

send Clark to Freo with picks 30 and 32 and get 8 and 27 back ( values Clark at about 17)

go to draft with 8, 22 and 27 and maybe 41 or 45 for Kruger

would be nice if not fanciful

wouldn't be against trying to get Macpherson and 19 from GC also, he is a hard at it no frills player that we could use in the forward line.
perfect replacement for Dal.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The flipside there is you get a shitty reputation amoung players that you don't value player welfare, this can affect you as a destination club. Regardless pick 27 isn't peanuts, fair value isn't much more

Honestly (its a discussion i had in another thread) but if you lined up the players taken at 15-20 in the draft the last 10 years id not take many over clark. So even if we get pick 15 back we might do worse than if we kept him. His first 2 years were fantastic and this year has been an injury related write off. When you look at this a mid-late first rounder (i expect we know we wont get 8 and 13-20 is what we would reluctantly accept) is not unreasonable. Plus he may well be best 22 under a new coach next year. Now why freo have targeted him now rather than waiting til he is OOC or targeting other cheaper players for the role this year (who are OOC) is for them to answer but we arent being unreasonable. If we dont get that in a trade we should keep him. Freo can easily find a pick in that range if they want to.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We arent getting a top 10 pick for a bloke we've hardly played in 2 years, laughable counter deal really.

We know we wont get 8 (even though the offer was probably clark and 30 for 8 not 8 straight up) but 27 is not enough either. The right deal is halfway in between.