Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[calder_daddy]

I’d say Sweet will be available as they have English, Martin and will pick up Darcy jnr in the draft. Can’t say I’ve seen enough to say we should targets him but he’s been ok.

Martin will retire though so they might want to keep Sweet. But you could get him with the right offer.
Lynch who played for coll today might be another option he wont get much ruck time with Grundy there.

Sweet signed a 1 year contract extension on 9th Nov last year
So currently he’s out of contract

We can start talking about him now, because after Friday night I guarantee someone says we should look at him

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Until I hear otherwize I think its 12 months for Darcy ..hence the other discussions.

Sav/Fort. If Fort was good enough he would be rucking now. He is ready yet they do not pick him. Backup at best . Break glass type is the way they must see him

Sav if he can do what he did against Port, and stay fit would suffice. 2019 was his best year on games played. Can we rely on him playing each week?

The three younger players are probably 2024 realistically before they can be relied upon to be ready to play ruck minutes . If we take guys like Meek, Flynn etc into account . Meek 2017 draft. Flynn 2015 draft. Briggs 2018 draft . Sweet 2018 draft.

To me adding someone is required. Someone that has shown they are ready to play. If they are OOC then we probably trade for anyone as I don't think anyone bar Darcy will be overly expensive.

Don't necessarily disagree with your points, just saying timing-wise, if we wait a year we need another 4 mids to go with Darcy. So we either trade all of our first born sons for him nor or not at all I think. I quite like my son so I'm not in favour of this

 

[calder_daddy]

Until I hear otherwize I think its 12 months for Darcy ..hence the other discussions.

Sav/Fort. If Fort was good enough he would be rucking now. He is ready yet they do not pick him. Backup at best . Break glass type is the way they must see him

Sav if he can do what he did against Port, and stay fit would suffice. 2019 was his best year on games played. Can we rely on him playing each week?

The three younger players are probably 2024 realistically before they can be relied upon to be ready to play ruck minutes . If we take guys like Meek, Flynn etc into account . Meek 2017 draft. Flynn 2015 draft. Briggs 2018 draft . Sweet 2018 draft.

To me adding someone is required. Someone that has shown they are ready to play. If they are OOC then we probably trade for anyone as I don't think anyone bar Darcy will be overly expensive.

Just for context also that ruckman take longer to come on.
Sweet was drafted in 2018 but is 23 years old.
So could be just about to come good IMO

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Just for context also that ruckman take longer to come on.
Sweet was drafted in 2018 but is 23 years old.
So could be just about to come good IMO

Same age as Darcy though who is already a consistent number 1 ruck. I think the rucks take a while to mature is stretched a little. The best rucks don’t but rucks develop late unlike other positions when you usually know if they are good or not by that age.

 

[calder_daddy]

Same age as Darcy though who is already a consistent number 1 ruck. I think the rucks take a while to mature is stretched a little. The best rucks don’t but rucks develop late unlike other positions when you usually know if they are good or not by that age.

I do agree I was just pointing out with him being drafted in 2018 most would see that and think he’s 21

 

[Turbocat]

Don't necessarily disagree with your points, just saying timing-wise, if we wait a year we need another 4 mids to go with Darcy. So we either trade all of our first born sons for him nor or not at all I think. I quite like my son so I'm not in favour of this

In keeping with make in the most of the assy of mature players they have ... this year and next would be as sweet as the sweet spot is going to get before we start to lose some of the parts. Its been that way for a while that we seemed to be very ripe and soon we will fall from the tree.

However , we will continue to build and add. I do not see us changing. As much as I like adding kids and watching them develop, what we have now is prob about maximizing what so would say a undervaluing of mature players. Id say we will continue to blend the drafted players and thise we bring for as long as we are capable drawing them to us.So if the club have a chance they will continue to add Falcons returning back to geelong. By recruiting Cameron , fairly sure the club is thinking 3-5 years.

Before having to put our sons and daughters on the block, lets just see if Darcy even wants to come to Geelong. Then we will see if we have expendable assets that allow us to trade for him.

 

[Turbocat]

Just for context also that ruckman take longer to come on.
Sweet was drafted in 2018 but is 23 years old.
So could be just about to come good IMO

There are so many examples of rucks 23-25 only starting to come of age, it may be so. Probably the same for most of the names mentioned.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

In keeping with make in the most of the assy of mature players they have ... this year and next would be as sweet as the sweet spot is going to get before we start to lose some of the parts. Its been that way for a while that we seemed to be very ripe and soon we will fall from the tree.

However , we will continue to build and add. I do not see us changing. As much as I like adding kids and watching them develop, what we have now is prob about maximizing what so would say a undervaluing of mature players. Id say we will continue to blend the drafted players and thise we bring for as long as we are capable drawing them to us.So if the club have a chance they will continue to add Falcons returning back to geelong. By recruiting Cameron , fairly sure the club is thinking 3-5 years.

Before having to put our sons and daughters on the block, lets just see if Darcy even wants to come to Geelong. Then we will see if we have expendable assets that allow us to trade for him.

What will will talk about in here for 6 months then?

 

[MacStradbroke]

Same age as Darcy though who is already a consistent number 1 ruck. I think the rucks take a while to mature is stretched a little. The best rucks don’t but rucks develop late unlike other positions when you usually know if they are good or not by that age.

Using a season average of 100 CD ranking points as a guide for ‘breaking out’’.

Gawn 5th year
Grundy 6th year
Goldy 4th year
Stanley 11th year
Naitnui 4th year
Witts never
Jacobs 4th year
Mumford 4th year
Ryder 6th year
Nankervis never
Darcy 5th year (this year)

none of them are overnight wonders.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Using a season average of 100 CD ranking points as a guide for ‘breaking out’’.

Gawn 5th year
Grundy 6th year
Goldy 4th year
Stanley 11th year
Naitnui 4th year
Witts never
Jacobs 4th year
Mumford 4th year
Ryder 6th year
Nankervis never
Darcy 5th year (this year)

none of them are overnight wonders.

That may be true of their breakout years but this list has most good rucks breaking out in their 4th year. My point was that when ppl say rucks develop later they imply it’s in their late 20s. 4th year breakout would be when most players start consistently playing well regardless of position. Some exceptions of course like Selwood or Judd.

A lot of these rucks did play early and were able to contribute well to the team before their breakout year as well. When you look at the players that don’t show it early like Stanley or Nankervis they don’t usually become stars. They can improve but they’ve got issues with consistency, injury or talent whatever kept them from getting their earlier on is still preventing that.
I just think it’s a bit of a myth that a mature age ruck will suddenly become a star as they age.

 

[Drunkcat]

This is Meeks 4th year on Freo list and this would be his best year in the WAFL so far

 

[Down at K Park]

That may be true of their breakout years but this list has most good rucks breaking out in their 4th year. My point was that when ppl say rucks develop later they imply it’s in their late 20s. 4th year breakout would be when most players start consistently playing well regardless of position. Some exceptions of course like Selwood or Judd.

A lot of these rucks did play early and were able to contribute well to the team before their breakout year as well. When you look at the players that don’t show it early like Stanley or Nankervis they don’t usually become stars. They can improve but they’ve got issues with consistency, injury or talent whatever kept them from getting their earlier on is still preventing that.
I just think it’s a bit of a myth that a mature age ruck will suddenly become a star as they age.

Size and strength probably has a lot to do with it. Most start out as beanpoles, and take a good 3-4 years to put on enough muscle to stop being pushed around. Darcy has always been a pretty solid lump, so he was starting from a higher base than most others.

 

[Turbocat]

This is Meeks 4th year on Freo list and this would be his best year in the WAFL so far

One would think a player like him will have to move. As it stands Darcy will be their #1 ruck for a long time to come.

 

[bombersboy]

There are so many examples of rucks 23-25 only starting to come of age, it may be so. Probably the same for most of the names mentioned.

Strong argument to say many do not come into their prime until 27-28.

 

[Strange Cat]

Using a season average of 100 CD ranking points as a guide for ‘breaking out’’.

Gawn 5th year
Grundy 6th year
Goldy 4th year
Stanley 11th year
Naitnui 4th year
Witts never
Jacobs 4th year
Mumford 4th year
Ryder 6th year
Nankervis never
Darcy 5th year (this year)

none of them are overnight wonders.

Lol stanley

 

[Baudolino]

Hands off, Cats: Dockers make move before ruck merry-go-round begins

Sean Darcy is expected to pen a new deal at Fremantle as clubs keep an eye on who's on the market

www.afl.com.au

Looks like yet another year of incompetent ruckwork is in store for us

 

[Down at K Park]

Darcy set to re-sign with freo. Talks are now open. Can we stop talking about him now as if he was ever coming here?

 

[Down at K Park]

Jinx lol. Beat me by 3 seconds.

 

[catempire]

Hands off, Cats: Dockers make move before ruck merry-go-round begins

Sean Darcy is expected to pen a new deal at Fremantle as clubs keep an eye on who's on the market

www.afl.com.au

Looks like yet another year of incompetent ruckwork is in store for us

We will know soon enough if he is staying at Freo. If his manager is any good he will get a lucrative extension out of Freo, maximising his good form this season.

 

[Turbocat]

Hands off, Cats: Dockers make move before ruck merry-go-round begins

Sean Darcy is expected to pen a new deal at Fremantle as clubs keep an eye on who's on the market

www.afl.com.au

Looks like yet another year of incompetent ruckwork is in store for us

This. As I thought. Did not past the first test. He doesn't want to move.

All things being equal why would you stay at Freo with their lack of success when you can go to a club with a strong final history?

Obviously there i some reason he likes it there if he is neg to extend his contract. Why? Who knows. Perhaps he feels they are on the cusp of finals while we are a mature side that has limited shelf life? If he signs for them for only a couple of years, like McKay at Carlton it will show professional pragmatism and take him to FA.

What will will talk about in here for 6 months then?

I suspect now we can move onto other optoins. Like Meek. or Flynn or Sweet or Chol or whoever.

The weakness in list build approach of not developing our own ruck players is it relies on the idea that a club will always be able to procure the player you want when you want to. I am glad now that we have moved to at least add young options but they probably offer little for 2-4 years. It's rare rucks that play early , Darcy did play 8 games in his first year. Probably because he was such a big body.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Might explain why they've persisted with Ratugolea in the ruck like catempire said.

Giving him as much exposure as possible and also given the lack of VFL games.

 

[Down at K Park]

Love the way some guys got sucked into some bullshit rumour by sumich. He was never coming here, yet they took it as gospel, like it was 100% fact. Never change bigfooty.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Love the way some guys got sucked into some bullshit rumour by sumich. He was never coming here, yet they took it as gospel, like it was 100% fact. Never change bigfooty.

I don’t think anyone or most anyway did take it as fact. Darcy has been discussed on here from his draft year and probably will be until he retires.

 

[catempire]

Love the way some guys got sucked into some bullshit rumour by sumich. He was never coming here, yet they took it as gospel, like it was 100% fact. Never change bigfooty.

You don’t land all the fish you throw a hook near.

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

The AFL exchange podcast talked about Darcy, cats and rucks. Twomey made a good point that you can’t have stars in every position. If you invest in one area such as ruck that might be one less star mid. It’s a fair point and I think we shouldn’t over invest in someone who isn’t good enough.
There are some rucks that could be a good fit. But if Stanley played every week most weeks he’d be a good option. Some weeks he’s poor but I think we’d find that with most rucks we’d replace him with unless they’re a star.