catempire
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We absolutely shouldn’t and won’t.
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Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2
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I think the success of the Dangerfield season, will give us confidence to manage the squad in more creative ways.
Squad depth could be our big advantage in prolonging careers and peaking in September.
A best 22 will only exist in finals, until then being in a squad of 30 will see you play most weeks, factoring in injuries and players managed.
Grand Final 23 - Selwood
+ Holmes, Neale, Dempsey, Bowes, Bruhn, Henry, Cooper Stephens, Menegola, Conway.
I think the market place is telling us to be very carefull about the location as well as draft talent. id not pick Phillipou. I have more confidence in Kneviit and the other inside mids we have .. than some others... but there is no certainly. Anyones opinion could be right or wrong.
I like the difference that someone like mckenzie brings ..it would be like adding a Duncan /Holmes to our lisy rather than another inside mid...which could not be bad.
Humpfrey would be an explosive forward/mid pick ..have not seen a lot but I liked what I saw...although his kicking/finishing needs work
Jefferson is lightish , and I have a reticence to go overly early on forwards but he is talent kid if we want to add a forward. Id probably not but he is in that range.
Clark brings learship and competitivness of a Selwood..could understand if we go that way..but it probably will see a churn. How many inside mids can we absorb.
No matter what a single figure pick allows us to consider an earlier pick standand kid than we have had for a long time. ... but as North are now finding... there has to be more to it than just picking talent. Pure correctly pointed this out when I said Shezzeel to Gold Coast.
Clark, Humpfrey, McKenzie, Jefferson all in the range to be considered imo.
I agree . They will have given it a big green tick.
All good till you are Holmes and Menegola watching the GF I guess... and some players will think its a great idea... to rotate other players..but they are very happy to play every week as they know once out its not always easy to come straight back in.
Lets face it Parfit ..almost missed. That would not have been idea..considering his age etc. Holmes missing was extreme bad luck..but history is full of that ...ask Bob Murphy.
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I think Knevitt has done more than enough in Y1. Considering his size ..I think we judge him in a year or two. To debut in Y1 is a good effort.
... we are adding a lot of talent. No matter what you background is or waht number you were picked up.. there is going to be pressure on to get selected all good imo. The consequence is some will fail
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Not sure he is high on our priority list...
I have been on about single figure picks ..what seems like years. I maintain a club the Premiership side almost always has a single figure pick that they have drafted ... when was the last club that won a flag without a single figure pick they drafted? Maybe Syd in 05? Not sure but it was long time ago....
That may be changing due to the fluidity of the market. If Horne Francis lands at Port it will not matter that they did not draft him. Bruhn and Henry will be good... but neither were considered single figure picks in their draft... so there is that... but that stuff can being flexible. If Sam Deking was on the open market now imagine what he would be worth.
If we have P7 ..and somehow we keep it. Great. Go to draft take one one of several players that appeal. Id think Mackenzie would almost push to play like Holmes did.
If we have P7 and somehow split it that might have a huge upside as well.
Do we split and use it to get Bruhn and Henry. It probably leaves us with P21 and etc. I think thats probably a little wasteful. The Ralph deal seems a better way to go if we get it done that way.
If we can use it in way to still get a us decent pick this year and a R1 next year... that might be something that could have Cameron like outcome. Lets think 12 months time. If we are serious about getting a OOC player next year ..having two R1 picks ..is a way to plan for that. It would give us a serious hand to ask about Tom Dek for example. I dont know what our cap situation will be like next year but retirements to come one would think we would have dollars.
Im not sure who we would split it with bu P7 gives us options. GWS? They will have a lot of picks.
P7 for basically little is a huge bonus. IF WE GET IT.
That may be changing due to the fluidity of the market. If Horne Francis lands at Port it will not matter that they did not draft him. Bruhn and Henry will be good... but neither were considered single figure picks in their draft... so there is that... but that stuff can being flexible. If Sam Deking was on the open market now imagine what he would be worth.
If we have P7 ..and somehow we keep it. Great. Go to draft take one one of several players that appeal. Id think Mackenzie would almost push to play like Holmes did.
If we have P7 and somehow split it that might have a huge upside as well.
Do we split and use it to get Bruhn and Henry. It probably leaves us with P21 and etc. I think thats probably a little wasteful. The Ralph deal seems a better way to go if we get it done that way.
If we can use it in way to still get a us decent pick this year and a R1 next year... that might be something that could have Cameron like outcome. Lets think 12 months time. If we are serious about getting a OOC player next year ..having two R1 picks ..is a way to plan for that. It would give us a serious hand to ask about Tom Dek for example. I dont know what our cap situation will be like next year but retirements to come one would think we would have dollars.
Im not sure who we would split it with bu P7 gives us options. GWS? They will have a lot of picks.
P7 for basically little is a huge bonus. IF WE GET IT.
I think he may just have to let him go. Shame but you cant have everyone
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Hi everyone, pardon the intrusion. Currently working on a little project for the main board and I was hoping to grab the names of any ITK posters here on the Cats board. Cheers.
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Yeah I know... There are only so many spots.
The defender from the Falcons, another Ollie... Ollie Northam is a prime candidate if we have a pick 50 left over.
I was so positive for him..but I was not as impressed this year. Im not sure he gets drafted.If he does it will be later than I thought 12 months ago.
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In statistics, when you have a variable that doesn’t vary between observations it has no predictive power. The issue with your theory is that everyone has a single figure pick - both losers and winners - so it doesn’t mean anything as a predictor of success.
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If we start dishing out the names of ITK posters I'd imagine they'll be OoTK pretty quickly.
That is the point people say he is a VFL player will not get in our side, but the kid has talent, and we could have injuries and some old players will get a rest, so he will get a chance
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I will make a prediction if Bowes is coming to us we will either:
1. Get Bowes and Pick 7 for 2023 R1
Or
2. Get Bowes and something less than pick 7 for something less than the 2023 R1
In other words, P7 is a free lunch and you know what they say about those.
1. Get Bowes and Pick 7 for 2023 R1
Or
2. Get Bowes and something less than pick 7 for something less than the 2023 R1
In other words, P7 is a free lunch and you know what they say about those.
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Deal will not involve any first rnd pick from us. We will probably send a future 2nd and 3/4th back to GC for their academy picks next year. The pick 7 they are including is the sweetener as we are taking on over 1.5 mil in salary they don’t want.
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S Hocking is going to use his influence as “secret” commandant of the AFL to increase team sizes from 22 to 25. Problem solved.
New rules will include that there will be 21 players on the ground, anyone named “ollie” or “oliver” (first names only) can be on the ground for free and do not count in the 21, and you get 20 bonus points for every Irishman in your team.
No Richmond fans will get upset at the new rules.
Lol, but GC themselves have said it'll be for a Future 2nd sooo don't see how it will be a Future 1st, given we need that for one of Bruhn or Henry....
I never said having one ensure suscess... but not having one precludes success. It was indicative of talent level on the list ..as the draft was the main way to accrue enough high end talent that gave a side a chance to win a flag. Obviously , the GWS and Gold Coast example shows it guarantees nothing. To me its more like you can have 18 teams fit. Being fit doesn't not mean you win.. but being unfit ..almost ensures you will not win.
To me, stats are a formalisation of observations to make them measurable and comparable. What you measure in footy seems to change year to year.. just like our oldest side ever... there are inputs that are happening now that may make certain past observations and measurements less relevant. Once players drafted seem to be almost stuck at the side. and having single figure picks ..like our 99-06 era was indicative of a underlying talent level . I think FA and the lessening of the value and the stickiness of the draft probably lessens the observation... like the age thing for us...its probably only a matter of time till till broken.
Basically I think its now possible to garner enough talent without having to have single figure picks. Possible. This year what we are doing is certainly going a way towards crushing the theory..
It still requires a club to do it, hopefully us in 2023 .. as now Joel is gone we no longer have a player that fits the stat.
(although that will only bee a technical change as we know Hawkins would have been a single figure pick)
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If Geelong does have any interest in trading pick 7 they’d want Bowes to let them know as early as possible to start negotiating deals.
Regardless it would be good to get a deal done early. The Henry trade could be straight forward if it’s pick 18 for Henry. Both clubs have a few deals to do so would be in their interests to get that done and move on.
But we don’t know how the pies will handle that.
They’re not the same calibre of players but this reminds me of 2015 when we had a few players nominate us. Lots of people were concerned how we would manage to get them all but we did.
I’m confident we will get the players we’ve identified this year.
Regardless it would be good to get a deal done early. The Henry trade could be straight forward if it’s pick 18 for Henry. Both clubs have a few deals to do so would be in their interests to get that done and move on.
But we don’t know how the pies will handle that.
They’re not the same calibre of players but this reminds me of 2015 when we had a few players nominate us. Lots of people were concerned how we would manage to get them all but we did.
I’m confident we will get the players we’ve identified this year.
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I don’t think we get 7 in that case.
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No they haven’t.
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Examples?
Lol rightio.
It was posted a few pages back, so if you'd kept track rather than just making your own assumptions and casually dismissing what anyone else has to say, you'd know that yes they have:
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Lol. Since when is Jon Ralph a mouthpiece of Gold Coast.
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