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I never buy the argument of a weak draft, plenty of potentially good players aren't even considered a part of the draft pool, Close wasn't, Dempsey wasn't.
Also understates the value of development, guys like Z.Guthrie added nothing to the perceived value of the draft pool. There were 100 guys like Brad Close around until we turned him into an AFL player, there are 100 guys like Z.Guthrie in the U18s each year until we nurtured him into an AFL player. There are probably 10-30 or so Menegola's Tim Kelly's and Tom Stewarts out there, and every team has in the 2nd tier has a Tom Atkins' or two.

There are probably a thousand or so people nominating. Good scouting will find the one that has the mindset to take advantage of the environment. List management is about about is about identifying the need the player is to fill if not now than in three years.

I dont disagree with parts of that but there are clearly draft pools that are better than others,both in terms of type (ie some drafts have more quality kpp and some dont) but in overall A grade talent vs role players and in depth of A grade talent. You can find good role players in every draft if you scout and develop well but some drafts simply have better quality and depth in top end talent than others and the last 10-15 years show that.
 
Does anyone have an idea where Ethan Phillips might go in the draft?
He’s a mature age key defender (23) been playing vfl for port melb.
I know he was mentioned a couple of weeks ago but not sure where people valued him. He’d be a handy pickup with a later pick, looks good and certainly fills a need.


 
Does anyone have an idea where Ethan Phillips might go in the draft?
He’s a mature age key defender (23) been playing vfl for port melb.
I know he was mentioned a couple of weeks ago but not sure where people valued him. He’d be a handy pickup with a later pick, looks good and certainly fills a need.




Historically most fothergill round medallists go late/rookie (including dean last year) but this pool doesnt have great key back depth so someone might go say 30-50 on him. As we wont have late picks we would look at him more as a rookie imo.
 

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They almost certainly are but you got COMPETITION dad!

My son doesnt even let my jokes get out because apparently only he is allowed to talk to mummy and i am not 😂
 
Historically most fothergill round medallists go late/rookie (including dean last year) but this pool doesnt have great key back depth so someone might go say 30-50 on him. As we wont have late picks we would look at him more as a rookie imo.
Still possible we might have a 3rd round pick that we could use on a player like him.
 
I dont disagree with parts of that but there are clearly draft pools that are better than others,both in terms of type (ie some drafts have more quality kpp and some dont) but in overall A grade talent vs role players and in depth of A grade talent. You can find good role players in every draft if you scout and develop well but some drafts simply have better quality and depth in top end talent than others and the last 10-15 years show that.

We've rarely been in a position to double dip at the early picks so it doesn't charge our calculus. By pick 20 it starts being a crapshoot in pretty much every year good or otherwise. By 40 it is marginally better than it is at the end of the draft in the mid 60s.

On the topic of A grade talent, IMO pre-draft hype is a better indicator of a player reaching a serviceable level rather than true A grade ability. The mini drafts were riddled with wonder kids that didn't quite get there. Then you get to the man childs and the overly professional kids 12 months ahead of his cohort.
 
The academy and nga thread has another player as listed with our academy Xavier Muhor.
I haven’t heard his name mentioned does anyone have any info on him.
I know many are hoping Clohesy slips to cat b rookie.
Is there anything on Muhor?

This is apparently him
 
Rubbish. If he grew that quick then there’s problems.

Mitch brown was a mid who grew 12cm in 12 months and kept breaking down.
The body just can’t handle it.

My son grew 18cm in 18 months.
I couldn’t believe it.
He’s now 15 years 1 month.
He broke down twice. He’s now 183 (I’ve stopped measuring him) and he’s quit footy because of injuries.

I just can’t imagine anyone growing 30cm in 18 months.

This happened to me- I was a decent junior basketballer, then had a big growth spurt when I was about 14 and ended up with pretty bad Osgood-Schlatter which meant I couldn't really do proper training till I was in my mid 20's. Never planned on making a career as an athlete, but If I had that growth spurt would have KO'ed any prospects.
 
I can see Sav taking the second KPD spot and adding extra versatility to our midfield/ruck rotations. I think he could have a few centre bounces as a ruck rover just to mix things up.

Jack Henry to play more swing.. Tom Stewart maybe released more to the wing..

Maybe even Ratugolea taking the Stanley ruck role where he plays as an extra KPD..

Who knows what Geelong are planning.
 
I suspect ina profession environment with regular play the kicking would be something that would be worked on. It's the easy cross.

You are probably right but kane tenace still gives me nightmares
 
Rubbish. If he grew that quick then there’s problems.

Mitch brown was a mid who grew 12cm in 12 months and kept breaking down.
The body just can’t handle it.

My son grew 18cm in 18 months.
I couldn’t believe it.
He’s now 15 years 1 month.
He broke down twice. He’s now 183 (I’ve stopped measuring him) and he’s quit footy because of injuries.

I just can’t imagine anyone growing 30cm in 18 months.

SDK was a mid and grew from 182 - 202 in the space of 12 months. He's retained all of his ability below his knees and added all the elements of being a key defender.

Taller guys have growth spurts that are massive a lot of the time..there's no evidence to support what you're saying except your own anecdotal experience.
 
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His kicking reminds me of danger..which is not a good thing. But there are parts of his game i love and he has a fantastic attitude.


😂 yeah it needs work, fairly sound technically around the ground his set shot however has years of work to be done, I really like him as a prospect though, he has a different upside to most of the other mids around this area.
 
SDK was a mid and grew from 182 - 202 in the space of 12 months. He's retained all of his ability below his knees and added all the elements of life being a key defender.

Taller guys have growth spurts that are massive a lot of the time..there's no evidence to support what you're saying except your own anecdotal experience.

If SDK stays back it might be hard to find a spot for Sav ...but as one or two other have mentioned .... I suspect that to presume he will be a FB for the next 10 years is wrong. I dont want to mess the kid around too early in his career but who knows where he pushes into
 

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Humphrey to me looks the least impressive out of the top mids. A bit rough, poor disposal, kicked into the man in the mark going on for goal… bit Mitch Robinson like. Obviously tiny window and based on very small info but based on available footage, I’d rank the mids (ex Ashcroft):

1. Wardlaw
2. Sheezel (think he can develop into a mid)
3. Phillipou
4. Mackenzie
5. Clark
6. Tsatas
7. Humphrey
 
If SDK stays back it might be hard to find a spot for Sav ...but as one or two other have mentioned .... I suspect that to presume he will be a FB for the next 10 years is wrong. I dont want to mess the kid around too early in his career but who knows where he pushes into

Yeah I know. Was more pointing out that SDK having a massive growth spurt wasn't hindering his ability or causing injury - as per the previous poster's argument
 
If he walks on the field for us in March next year it will be with 83 game and 25 years of age ... and ready to play in a side that wins. I think he is the type of recruit you normally play R1 picks for.....




Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave. This is the inside story on his Suns exit.

Departing Sun Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave.
It’s understood Bowes has been left frustrated by a saga he feels the club created and put him on a course to joining Geelong via a trade that will also include the Suns giving away their pick 7.

In return the Cats will take on the $1.6m Bowes is owedover the next two years and give up a future pick.

Bowes signed a five-year extension in 2019.

When Gold Coast figures approached him a couple of years into the deal and asked him to sign an alteration that would significantly reduce his annual earnings in order to back-end the deal, Bowes agreed.

He loves the club.

His parents had moved from Cairns to be on the Gold Coast, with his father Wayne and mother Collette playing a huge role in creating a support network for players and families at the club while Bowes’ grandmother has frequently hosted young draftees in their early years at the Suns.

Bowes believed he would be part of the first Suns side to play in a potential premiership.

He bought a house in Queensland, his partner is from the state and what has unfolded is something he never visualised would happen.


His trust was broken. By doing the right thing by the club in order to help its cause put him in a position where Gold Coast have looked to offload him.

[PLAYERCARD]Jack Bowes[/PLAYERCARD] didn’t want to leave Gold Coast. Picture: Jono Searle/AFL Photos/Getty Images

Jack Bowes didn’t want to leave Gold Coast. Picture: Jono Searle/AFL Photos/Getty Images
Bowes was holidaying in Bali when he saw some media reports labelling him a ‘wantaway Sun’. It irked him.

A player who captained the Allies under-18 side was once touted as a potential No. 1 draft pick. He slid to 10 because of his Academy links that gave Gold Coast first crack and was having leadership meetings with Hawthorn great Luke Hodge.

He was seen as captain material. The likes of former Suns assistant Dean Solomon said he had never seen anyone improve as quickly as Bowes did in his second year where he thrived in the midfield, matching up against the likes of Patrick Dangerfield, Patrick Cripps and Marcus Bontempelli.

Injuries saw him shift back to halfback in his third year and Bowes has struggled to claw his way back into an engine room that includes the likes of Touk Miller, David Swallow, Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell.

Those closest to Bowes believe they saw the writing on the wall midway through 2021 when Bowes was named in many rolling All-Australian sides but didn’t feature in the club’s top 10 best and fairest count at the same period.

It meant when the Suns told Bowes they were interested in trading him at this year’s exit meeting he was hurt but prepared.

He was down on confidence but the sheer volume of clubs who have wanted to sign Bowes has rebuilt his self-esteem and confidence in his ability.

Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide and Brisbane led the charge for his signature and more were banging down the door, with his manager Robbie D’Orazio capping discussions with clubs at five.

[PLAYERCARD]Jack Bowes[/PLAYERCARD] has chosen Geelong as his preferred destination. Picture: AAP Image/Kelly Barnes

Jack Bowes has chosen Geelong as his preferred destination. Picture: AAP Image/Kelly Barnes
The Cats are on the cusp of securing their man but it was Hawthorn, led by coach Sam Mitchell, who gave the most impressive pitch and offered more money in the last two years of a four-year deal.

Adelaide was the most desperate to get him while Brisbane was understood to be incentivised by the draft pick and points on offer.

But Geelong’s interest spans over more than 18 months and came well before the lure of pick 7 while Bowes wasn’t interested in going to a rebuilding club after spending six years at the Suns.

Bowes has obvious links to former Suns skipper Gary Ablett and his relationship with Dangerfield stems back to his time with the Allies under-18 team, with the premiership midfielder driving him back to Melbourne after assisting coach Brenton Sanderson.

Dangerfield has wrapped his arms around Bowes ever since, becoming a confidant for him throughout his career.

Cats coach Chris Scott, Dangerfield and recruitment manager Andrew Mackie were all part of a meeting with Bowes where they pitched a role that would see him used across the every part of the ground, rotating through the middle like many of the players.

Bowes is understood to now be jumping out of his skin to play at Geelong and earn a spot in the team’s best 22
 
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If he walks on the field for us in March next year it will be with 83 game and 25 years of age ... and ready to play in a side that wins. I think he is the type of recruit you normally play R1 picks for.....




Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave. This is the inside story on his Suns exit.

Departing Sun Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave.
It’s understood Bowes has been left frustrated by a saga he feels the club created and put him on a course to joining Geelong via a trade that will also include the Suns giving away their pick 7.

In return the Cats will take on the $1.6m Bowes is owedover the next two years and give up a future pick.

Bowes signed a five-year extension in 2019.

When Gold Coast figures approached him a couple of years into the deal and asked him to sign an alteration that would significantly reduce his annual earnings in order to back-end the deal, Bowes agreed.

He loves the club.

His parents had moved from Cairns to be on the Gold Coast, with his father Wayne and mother Collette playing a huge role in creating a support network for players and families at the club while Bowes’ grandmother has frequently hosted young draftees in their early years at the Suns.

Bowes believed he would be part of the first Suns side to play in a potential premiership.

He bought a house in Queensland, his partner is from the state and what has unfolded is something he never visualised would happen.


His trust was broken. By doing the right thing by the club in order to help its cause put him in a position where Gold Coast have looked to offload him.

Jack Bowes didn’t want to leave Gold Coast. Picture: Jono Searle/AFL Photos/Getty Images

Jack Bowes didn’t want to leave Gold Coast. Picture: Jono Searle/AFL Photos/Getty Images
Bowes was holidaying in Bali when he saw some media reports labelling him a ‘wantaway Sun’. It irked him.

A player who captained the Allies under-18 side was once touted as a potential No. 1 draft pick. He slid to 10 because of his Academy links that gave Gold Coast first crack and was having leadership meetings with Hawthorn great Luke Hodge.

He was seen as captain material. The likes of former Suns assistant Dean Solomon said he had never seen anyone improve as quickly as Bowes did in his second year where he thrived in the midfield, matching up against the likes of Patrick Dangerfield, Patrick Cripps and Marcus Bontempelli.

Injuries saw him shift back to halfback in his third year and Bowes has struggled to claw his way back into an engine room that includes the likes of Touk Miller, David Swallow, Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell.

Those closest to Bowes believe they saw the writing on the wall midway through 2021 when Bowes was named in many rolling All-Australian sides but didn’t feature in the club’s top 10 best and fairest count at the same period.

It meant when the Suns told Bowes they were interested in trading him at this year’s exit meeting he was hurt but prepared.

He was down on confidence but the sheer volume of clubs who have wanted to sign Bowes has rebuilt his self-esteem and confidence in his ability.

Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide and Brisbane led the charge for his signature and more were banging down the door, with his manager Robbie D’Orazio capping discussions with clubs at five.

Jack Bowes has chosen Geelong as his preferred destination. Picture: AAP Image/Kelly Barnes

Jack Bowes has chosen Geelong as his preferred destination. Picture: AAP Image/Kelly Barnes
The Cats are on the cusp of securing their man but it was Hawthorn, led by coach Sam Mitchell, who gave the most impressive pitch and offered more money in the last two years of a four-year deal.

Adelaide was the most desperate to get him while Brisbane was understood to be incentivised by the draft pick and points on offer.

But Geelong’s interest spans over more than 18 months and came well before the lure of pick 7 while Bowes wasn’t interested in going to a rebuilding club after spending six years at the Suns.

Bowes has obvious links to former Suns skipper Gary Ablett and his relationship with Dangerfield stems back to his time with the Allies under-18 team, with the premiership midfielder driving him back to Melbourne after assisting coach Brenton Sanderson.

Dangerfield has wrapped his arms around Bowes ever since, becoming a confidant for him throughout his career.

Cats coach Chris Scott, Dangerfield and recruitment manager Andrew Mackie were all part of a meeting with Bowes where they pitched a role that would see him used across the every part of the ground, rotating through the middle like many of the players.

Bowes is understood to now be jumping out of his skin to play at Geelong and earn a spot in the team’s best 22

He'll play Round 1 - I can nearly guarantee that
 
He'll play Round 1 - I can nearly guarantee that

I said a while ago...he is the one I feel most confident about for 2023 . The article doesnt paint GC in the best light unfortunately. That situation can happen. He is of an age where he could play for us and get 100 games easily. I had almsot forgotten how highly he was rated as a junior.

Put him in with Parfitt and Bruhn and Holmes ..and a couple of other names there will be teeth grinding everywhere.
 
If he walks on the field for us in March next year it will be with 83 game and 25 years of age ... and ready to play in a side that wins. I think he is the type of recruit you normally play R1 picks for.....




Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave. This is the inside story on his Suns exit.

Departing Sun Jack Bowes has been left feeling betrayed by a club he has loved deeply and never wanted to leave.
It’s understood Bowes has been left frustrated by a saga he feels the club created and put him on a course to joining Geelong via a trade that will also include the Suns giving away their pick 7.

In return the Cats will take on the $1.6m Bowes is owedover the next two years and give up a future pick.

Bowes signed a five-year extension in 2019.

When Gold Coast figures approached him a couple of years into the deal and asked him to sign an alteration that would significantly reduce his annual earnings in order to back-end the deal, Bowes agreed.

He loves the club.

His parents had moved from Cairns to be on the Gold Coast, with his father Wayne and mother Collette playing a huge role in creating a support network for players and families at the club while Bowes’ grandmother has frequently hosted young draftees in their early years at the Suns.

Bowes believed he would be part of the first Suns side to play in a potential premiership.

He bought a house in Queensland, his partner is from the state and what has unfolded is something he never visualised would happen.


His trust was broken. By doing the right thing by the club in order to help its cause put him in a position where Gold Coast have looked to offload him.

Jack Bowes didn’t want to leave Gold Coast. Picture: Jono Searle/AFL Photos/Getty Images

Jack Bowes didn’t want to leave Gold Coast. Picture: Jono Searle/AFL Photos/Getty Images
Bowes was holidaying in Bali when he saw some media reports labelling him a ‘wantaway Sun’. It irked him.

A player who captained the Allies under-18 side was once touted as a potential No. 1 draft pick. He slid to 10 because of his Academy links that gave Gold Coast first crack and was having leadership meetings with Hawthorn great Luke Hodge.

He was seen as captain material. The likes of former Suns assistant Dean Solomon said he had never seen anyone improve as quickly as Bowes did in his second year where he thrived in the midfield, matching up against the likes of Patrick Dangerfield, Patrick Cripps and Marcus Bontempelli.

Injuries saw him shift back to halfback in his third year and Bowes has struggled to claw his way back into an engine room that includes the likes of Touk Miller, David Swallow, Noah Anderson and Matt Rowell.

Those closest to Bowes believe they saw the writing on the wall midway through 2021 when Bowes was named in many rolling All-Australian sides but didn’t feature in the club’s top 10 best and fairest count at the same period.

It meant when the Suns told Bowes they were interested in trading him at this year’s exit meeting he was hurt but prepared.

He was down on confidence but the sheer volume of clubs who have wanted to sign Bowes has rebuilt his self-esteem and confidence in his ability.

Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon, Adelaide and Brisbane led the charge for his signature and more were banging down the door, with his manager Robbie D’Orazio capping discussions with clubs at five.

Jack Bowes has chosen Geelong as his preferred destination. Picture: AAP Image/Kelly Barnes

Jack Bowes has chosen Geelong as his preferred destination. Picture: AAP Image/Kelly Barnes
The Cats are on the cusp of securing their man but it was Hawthorn, led by coach Sam Mitchell, who gave the most impressive pitch and offered more money in the last two years of a four-year deal.

Adelaide was the most desperate to get him while Brisbane was understood to be incentivised by the draft pick and points on offer.

But Geelong’s interest spans over more than 18 months and came well before the lure of pick 7 while Bowes wasn’t interested in going to a rebuilding club after spending six years at the Suns.

Bowes has obvious links to former Suns skipper Gary Ablett and his relationship with Dangerfield stems back to his time with the Allies under-18 team, with the premiership midfielder driving him back to Melbourne after assisting coach Brenton Sanderson.

Dangerfield has wrapped his arms around Bowes ever since, becoming a confidant for him throughout his career.

Cats coach Chris Scott, Dangerfield and recruitment manager Andrew Mackie were all part of a meeting with Bowes where they pitched a role that would see him used across the every part of the ground, rotating through the middle like many of the players.

Bowes is understood to now be jumping out of his skin to play at Geelong and earn a spot in the team’s best 22
He just might outshine Pick 7.
 
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