Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Pure_Ownage]

If we need to offer up our F1 for Bruhn, I prefer to keep that pick and use it on the best available KPP.

I'd say we will end up getting all of our targets... Hopefully Bruhn can become a very good player for us, because it's highly likely we will land him.

We arent going to walk away from bruhn although i get your view.

 

[you pick one]

Something went wrong right from the start but they stuck with you your phone was so muffled it was near impossible to understand what you were saying.They should have stopped you and cleared the line up but said you had been hanging on for a long time so continued.

Disregard my earlier post S89 I thought you were the caller previous and turned it off after that I couldn't handle any more.Well done hit the mark.

 

[BigCat1]

Whilst you think you’ll win the flag every year a future first likely to fall btw 12-16 is way overs for Bruhn. He’s so close to the Caldwell trade/deal it’s not funny. The Giants were a super team in 19 and Caldwell was inj otherwise he is the better or equal player in a better draft. The only hook to hang your hat on is that Bruhn got gifted most of his 30 games as the Giants have been a rabble for the last two years. There hasn’t been 1 player traded for more than their draft value ever I don’t think whose uncontracted and wanted out.

Not to mention you can’t trade a 1st if you have already traded a 2nd without bringing another one in. (bowes)

Bruhn just aren’t worth a pick btw 13-16 which is statistically where the 2023 pick is most likely to land if you have watched him play.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Whilst you think you’ll win the flag every year a future first likely to fall btw 12-16 is way overs for Bruhn. He’s so close to the Caldwell trade/deal it’s not funny. The Giants were a super team in 19 and Caldwell was inj otherwise he is the better or equal player in a better draft. The only hook to hang your hat on is that Bruhn got gifted most of his 30 games as the Giants have been a rabble for the last two years. There hasn’t been 1 player traded for more than their draft value ever I don’t think whose uncontracted and wanted out.

Not to mention you can’t trade a 1st if you have already traded a 2nd without bringing another one in. (bowes)

Bruhn just aren’t worth a pick btw 13-16 which is statistically where the 2023 pick is most likely to land if you have watched him play.

Mate, I'm with ya and have been since halfway through the year.

I'm really hoping Mackie is working on Bruhn for far less than our F1.

I really worry that we could potentially overpay for him and then he comes onto our list and is just an average player.

Has Caldwell written all over it to me... Both guys seem to have limited upside.

I think we get Bruhn... So I hope he turns it on for us.

I don't listen to a word people say about him "being a gun or being very good" because I have watched him all year and just haven't seen him do anywhere near enough to offer a F1.


P.S - I make the call that Bruhn playing 30 games with GWS out of position is almost a hindrance to his development as a mid.

He played minimal games as a junior and has only played 9 in the VFL over 2 years (has done well in the VFL though as a mid I will say).

But they bring him into their side and play him in a spot he just is not suited to play (forward third of the ground).

 

[Leeds17]

Humphrey’s poor kicking disqualifies him from being taken at 7 for me. I’d be going Clark, McKenzie, Phillipou in front of him in that order.

I think Phillipou is a bust waiting to happen, he’s being drafted almost entirely on his size, if you watch his draft vids then watch Bonts it’s night & day obviously a high bar but that’s who you want him to be as a ceiling.

Humphrey’s kicking is poor, especially set shot kicking but field kicking wise I think it can improve, I’d happily take him over Clark but will say the 180-185cm good all round mid with no obvious above average AFL trait prospects are the ones I’ve missed on the most, I remember thinking Serong should be a late first round at best .

 

[year of the cat]

I think Phillipou is a bust waiting to happen, he’s being drafted almost entirely on his size, if you watch his draft vids then watch Bonts it’s night & obviously a high bar but that’s who you want him to be as a ceiling.

Humphrey’s kicking is poor, especially set shot kicking but field kicking wise I think it can improve, I’d happily take him over Clark but will say the 180-185cm good all round mid with no obvious above average AFL trait prospects are the ones I’ve missed on the most, I remember thinking Serong should be a late first round at best .

I like the look of Phillipou. Good decision maker, has some toe and the thing I really like mids to have is an ability to take a contested mark overhead. I’d be surprised if he turned out to be a bust but who knows?

Clark to me represents the safest option regardless. I just can’t see how he doesn’t have a good career. Reckon he could play next year too.

 

[Cat Addict]

Did I hear Kane on trade radio correctly that the AFL won’t sign off the pick 7 Bowes trade unless a FR1 comes back to Suns? Solves the needing a future 2nd problem, creates another.

 

[Vdubs]

He was a menegola like kick ...more like a shortish KPF . So far id not say Herny has shown signs of being a KPP

OH shows signs of b eing able to mark like Jack, and to win games at clutch moments. He's a gun. Any other interests should be peripheral from my pov

 

[Turbocat]

As I mentioned a few pages back, I'm not stressed about the needing an F2 thing... We will get one if we need one.
My issue is the worth of Bruhn not being our F1 (unless something decent comes back)... Time will tell with all that.

Anyway... I think we still have work to do to get Clark (if we are truly going hard to get him).
Probably will need that #5 from GC instead of #7... I won't be shocked if we are trying to make that happen in some way, or even have a deal ready to go on draft night if Clark is still on the board come that selection (which will be #6 on the night).
But yes... If we actually do end up getting Clark, I think it would be better to get a bigger more dynamic mid instead of Bruhn (who is like a Clark lite for mine).

Well we need to get the Bowe thing done asap which means we need one now.


I would not expend effort or capital to move up till much later ...in draft even.


We have a differenece of opinion on a few player...and thats fine. Im actually fine with the value of Bruhn at Fr1 ... id probably do it if I could. The percieved talent in draft is way over valued compared to players in system ... guys in system play in a much tougher comp. Occasionally they come inand look champs but more often than not tehy find the step significant.


But the fact is if we get the Bowe trade done ... we will not be able to trade our Fr1..so that works for both of our opinions.


IM wondering if we can arrange a 3 way pick .... Sav to Port, Bruhn to Geelong ...and player from Port to GWS. If JHF is coming in...someone will miss out . Maybe Drew or someone.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

Did I hear Kane on trade radio correctly that the AFL won’t sign off the pick 7 Bowes trade unless a FR1 comes back to Suns? Solves the needing a future 2nd problem, creates another.

Yesterday it was reported that the AFL cleared it with a FR2 going back. Not sure if that has changed but seems unlikely.

 

[Turbocat]

OH shows signs of b eing able to mark like Jack, and to win games at clutch moments. He's a gun. Any other interests should be peripheral from my pov

Hello Vdubs.. I would say we agree on Henry ..although I dont really think we need him for 2023. I'd just make it happen cause we have what we need to get it done

 

[Pivo]

That's the one thing we can't do if we are to have any credibility in the future when trying to attract players

Agree with that and I'm confident they'll get done...probably in ways we never considered.

There is a part of me that wants the AFL to sign off on us trading both the future 1st and 2nd.

Be good for more outrage around here.

 

[00VicWard001]

Mate, I'm with ya and have been since halfway through the year.

I'm really hoping Mackie is working on Bruhn for far less than our F1.

I really worry that we could potentially overpay for him and then he comes onto our list and is just an average player.

Has Caldwell written all over it to me... Both guys seem to have limited upside.

I think we get Bruhn... So I hope he turns it on for us.

I don't listen to a word people say about him "being a gun or being very good" because I have watched him all year and just haven't seen him do anywhere near enough to offer a F1.


P.S - I make the call that Bruhn playing 30 games with GWS out of position is almost a hindrance to his development as a mid.

He played minimal games as a junior and has only played 9 in the VFL over 2 years (has done well in the VFL though as a mid I will say).

But they bring him into their side and play him in a spot he just is not suited to play (forward third of the ground).

Bruhn is also probably in line for a bigger salary being a round 1 pick. The Giants are probably trying to salary dump him too, but are trying to hide it and get a R1 pick.

 

[Turbocat]

OH shows signs of b eing able to mark like Jack, and to win games at clutch moments. He's a gun. Any other interests should be peripheral from my pov

Just what would you trade for Henry?


Id do Bowe asap. Then id find a pick in the early 20's and put that to the Pies. Its comparable to Clarke. If they want 18 I probably do it but id like something back... Fr3 etc.

Bruhn I think we can find a way to do it ...and once we draw closer to the deadline a deal will be done.

 

[Nickoo]

Hopefully this top ten pick we’ll receive from Gold Coast shows a bit more loyalty than the previous one we had.

Who was that?


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[Pure_Ownage]

Whilst you think you’ll win the flag every year a future first likely to fall btw 12-16 is way overs for Bruhn. He’s so close to the Caldwell trade/deal it’s not funny. The Giants were a super team in 19 and Caldwell was inj otherwise he is the better or equal player in a better draft. The only hook to hang your hat on is that Bruhn got gifted most of his 30 games as the Giants have been a rabble for the last two years. There hasn’t been 1 player traded for more than their draft value ever I don’t think whose uncontracted and wanted out.

Not to mention you can’t trade a 1st if you have already traded a 2nd without bringing another one in. (bowes)

Bruhn just aren’t worth a pick btw 13-16 which is statistically where the 2023 pick is most likely to land if you have watched him play.

Caldwell was traded at 2 2nds for caldwell and 44, it worked out to be pick 22 on points.
If we trade say a future 1st for bruhn and get say a future 3rd back it works out to be us paying the same or less than that (assuming the pick workd out to be 13-16 as you suggest). I dont see what everyone is getting so worked up about.

 

[Turbocat]

Is there the possibility that Clark gets picked before our pick 7?

There will be 7 selections before Clark ..so its possible. Thats something that will become more known around the time of the draft

 

[Turbocat]

Hopefully this top ten pick we’ll receive from Gold Coast shows a bit more loyalty than the previous one we had.

Top10 Pick? I think you mean Clarke and he was 15

 

[Leeds17]

I like the look of Phillipou. Good decision maker, has some toe and the thing I really like mids to have is an ability to take a contested mark overhead. I’d be surprised if he turned out to be a bust but who knows?

Clark to me represents the safest option regardless. I just can’t see how he doesn’t have a good career. Reckon he could play next year too,

Interesting I might need to delve a little deeper with Phillipou, only contested marking I saw was from being bigger than his opponent, didn’t think he had particularly sticky hands & thought he was a bit hot potato with his disposal in traffic, I’ll have another look.

One thing I like about Clark is I think he could start forward/rotate there where’as Bruhn hasn’t shown an ability to do that.

 

[cats_09]

server "crack the sads" again .... frustration to the max

I tend to not be awake as early as some of these comments unless I have an early shift at work - and in that case I don't tend to be on here; and especially not that early when my phone cracks the shits & turns off, meaning my alarm doesn't go off anyway

Can I ask what time this is happening & was it the same thing yesterday, and is there any other days that this has happened - I'll raise it to the bosses that the hamsters are missing their morning alarm which is causing things to run slow

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Fair call but the concern I have is every club knows why we're hunting a Future 2nd Rounder so, you'd think, there may be some element of self interest for the other clubs in (possibly) not helping the current Premier gain more advantages.

I wonder if Ratugolea would also consider, say, St. Kilda (who seem to have some interest) as an option. Adding some mayo onto any Ratugolea trade is fine in this instance since the return (the FR2) is being moved on.

I think our Future 1st has more value than our current 1st (18) simply because some clubs would bet on the FR1 being better than 18 due to us (maybe) slipping a bit next year. There may be a little more perceived value in the FR1.

The Future 1st + 38 + 48/55 to either GWS or Collingwood in exchange for Bruhn or Henry + a FR2. Do either GWS or Collingwood need those additional picks, no idea but right now that's all I'm aware we have unless there is something else going on that isn't known about (which is possible).

There also needs to be an understanding if, when it comes to using pick 18 in the other trade, will that be enough to get the other deal done. I might think 18 in a straight swap for, say, Henry is fair but I'm going to assume Collingwood don't think that.

Is adding multiple picks in any deal using Geelong's Future 1st an overpay? Probably but we might have to pay overs to get a FR2 back to secure Bowes + 7.

Maybe we don't use the future round 1 and walk away from one of the trades...

Fun thought exercise (if you are into this kind of thing ), genuinely interested to see how it all plays out.

Agree with all that and i find it a bit fun too.
I do agree it would be easier if sav had picked s club who is free to trade their future 2nd as clubs know we need one (same as bris and port who are in that boat). But i think it can still get done it just needs picks from port and a 3rd club involved.

I think our fr1 is worth a bit more than 18 for the reasons you stated but also because next year is a better draft. Gws dont really need picks this year so they will push for it and send other picks back to us i assume. 18 for henry is fair imo and collingwood will take it on the last day. Maybe we chuck in say 55 as steak knives if we must be it will be around 18.

I cant see us walking away from any trades thats not how we roll. Besides you have to look at the total result not each tiny part of each trade-if its a future 1st out (i assume we trade our fr2 but get one back) plus 18 sav and a bunch of late picks and we get 7 plus three players thats a very good result

 

[Nickoo]

The one flag is not the issue.

being in flag contention constantly for 16 years, and making 12 prelims in the last 16 years is the issue. equalisation should have made that level of sustained success impossible, and only Geelong has been able to do it.

Yea but with taking risks and recruiting from the next level leagues, cat b rookies, and end of career players from other clubs. I’m sick already if turning on the radio and hearing of us as ‘the rich get richer’ when in reality all along we’ve simply been smarter.


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[Strange Cat]

That's the one thing we can't do if we are to have any credibility in the future when trying to attract players

Worse come to worse we may have to trade out Sav and another player

Sadly

 

[BigCat1]

Caldwell was traded at 2 2nds for caldwell and 44, it worked out to be pick 22 on points.
If we trade say a future 1st for bruhn and get say a future 3rd back it works out to be us paying the same or less than that (assuming the pick workd out to be 13-16 as you suggest). I dont see what everyone is getting so worked up about.

Ppl partly get worked up about misleading info like this.

It was more that on draft night and not one single club pays attention to the points scale unless they have an academy player.

See how your go trading a couple of seconds for pick 13 plus some late picks back (pick slides).

We trade a F1st for Bruhn and we have set a new benchmark in the market. Won’t be upset it’s just a fact. Wells picks blokes not even in mock drafts with seconds so they almost mean nothing to us. The Caldwell type deal is significantly better for the GFC.

 

[stac]

Because this year is going so well
We should just "Go Large"

Gold Coast don't need to draft mid field players so don't need to be at the pointy end of the draft this year
work out a deal with them prior to Bowes trade going through that we want 5 and 7
Do the Bowes trade for 7 and give GC our future first if that's what the AFL wants or our future second if we can get away with it.
trade seven and one of our later picks this year to sydney for 14 and 17
Trade 14 to GWS for TB and a future 2 and a swap of future 3rds
Trade 17 to collingwood for OH and a future 3rd
trade 18 + GWS f2 and collingwoods F3 to Gold Coast for 5