Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists PT2

[Vdubs]

I don't know about pick 7 but I still think that Jack Bowes is so good that he'll be our captain one day. I'm not usually one to make massive calls like this especially when they're on a positive note but thats how high I rate that guy.

Massive call for sure, but you must have good reasons .

 

[Vdubs]

I don’t think Kreuger needs to debut in 2023 to retain his spot on the list. But he probably needs to demonstrate that his body is up to the rigors of playing at VFL level at least. If he can have a full year in the 2’s and improve over the year then that would be a good result.

Kreuger already made his debut.
Kroeger, if he plays a handful of VFL games, will definitely debut in 23- he is explosively good. Agree with you about demonstrating that his body is up to it.
I fear a Cockatoo like situtation.

 

[Cataholic]

It is not playing the man at all

But when someone posts that a player who played 5 senior games last season for Gold Coast Suns is going to Captain Geel one day - surely you should be able to call that Rubbish

The ethics of this Geel forum - just post blue sky after blue sky - and everything is sweet

Posters see differing potential in virtually every player. Only time can then prove the accuracy of any given judgement call.....not the local flora.

Differing views are generously tolerated on here, as long as they're presented and exchanged with respect. That's all that is asked.

 

[Sky]

It is not playing the man at all

But when someone posts that a player who played 5 senior games last season for Gold Coast Suns is going to Captain Geel one day - surely you should be able to call that Rubbish

The ethics of this Geel forum - just post blue sky after blue sky - and everything is sweet

If you knew anything about me then you’d know generally I’m quite negative in my thoughts relating to the GFC. Jack Bowes has leadership abilities and the guy was thrown to the wolves by one of the worst ran clubs in AFL history. A club that he had zero interest in actually leaving, all because some trigger happy person decided years ago to pay him too much.

You don’t have to be anything amazing to captain a club - look at Ziebell, Heppell and Geary. There are people on this board who want Tom Atkins to be our captain next season and you’ve had a go at me for thinking outside of the box? At least you can’t accuse me of being anything but original.

Well ran clubs like Geelong just don’t give 4 year contracts to 24 year old ‘duds’. It’s comments like yours why people leave this forum.

 

[cats_09]

It is not playing the man at all

But when someone posts that a player who played 5 senior games last season for Gold Coast Suns is going to Captain Geel one day - surely you should be able to call that Rubbish

The ethics of this Geel forum - just post blue sky after blue sky - and everything is sweet

Except that's not what happened...

Healthy debate across different opinions isn't questioned, and it's encouraged - this isn't an echo chamber where we all agree on the same things or all disagree on the same things BUT

Whereby a post or a reply has zero to do with the thread topic or the post being quoted and is instead aimed directly at the poster, that's what won't be tolerated


As per the "Setting the Tone" thread: Engage with the point or stay silent

 

[Sky]

Massive call for sure, but you must have good reasons .

Backing in the clubs culture on this one. We just stole a guy who really didn’t want to leave Gold Coast and a Queenslander at that. When Jack Bowes signed the heavily back ended contract at Gold Coast, it was during a time where they were in dire straits and signing anyone willing to stay on big coin just on potential.

How often does Geelong give out four year contracts in general yet alone to someone of the calibre of Bowes? Not often at all. I’ve seen people say that Cooper Stephens was going to be a superstar and another say Jansen would play 200 games. I really don’t think it’s as massive as we think when he’s in the right age bracket and clearly a leader.

I’m not sure if Dangerfield or Stewart is going to be our next captain but by the time Stewart is Joel Selwood’s age Jack Bowes will be Tom Stewart’s age. I’m going early but I said it before anyone else. Let’s re-evaluate in 4 years time!

 

[CatRiot]

Considering the draft strength ... Id be happy to bet he plays at least as many games as any draft P8 on, let alone P18. If we get Clark it will be a really interesting comparison ..similar size and probably similar best position.


TB has played 30 games atm... my bet is he quickly becomes a regular ... who after P18 would be that for us? And he is ready to go. .. the question is who goes out for his spot.

Selwood's role, but is that for Bowes first up. Let's see.

 

[CatRiot]

Goddard was an elite kick of the footy though, that's why they used him on the HBF to get some quality ball out of defence.

I don't see that being in Humphreys future.

Yeah, I know Goddard was an elite kick. It's more about his body size/shape and his head, and the way he moves. Just looks similar to Goddard, but indeed different players.

 

[Vdubs]

Backing in the clubs culture on this one. We just stole a guy who really didn’t want to leave Gold Coast and a Queenslander at that. When Jack Bowes signed the heavily back ended contract at Gold Coast, it was during a time where they were in dire straits and signing anyone willing to stay on big coin just on potential.

How often does Geelong give out four year contracts in general yet alone to someone of the calibre of Bowes? Not often at all. I’ve seen people say that Cooper Stephens was going to be a superstar and another say Jansen would play 200 games. I really don’t think it’s as massive as we think when he’s in the right age bracket and clearly a leader.

I’m not sure if Dangerfield or Stewart is going to be our next captain but by the time Stewart is Joel Selwood’s age Jack Bowes will be Tom Stewart’s age. I’m going early but I said it before anyone else. Let’s re-evaluate in 4 years time!

The more I dwell on the captaincy, I can't go past BLICAVS.
He ticks many boxes, and it won't be a long term obviously, maybe like Lingy.
Bowes- ?- happy to revisit.

 

[Sky]

The more I dwell on the captaincy, I can't go past BLICAVS.
He ticks many boxes, and it won't be a long term obviously, maybe like Lingy.
Bowes- ?- happy to revisit.

In 5 years time everyone we consider a leader except Jack Henry, Mark O’Connor and maybe Tom Atkins will be gone. It’s just as likely our captain after next isn’t even at Geelong yet.

I have no problem with Blicavs leading us — I’d hate to have co-captains however.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Backing in the clubs culture on this one. We just stole a guy who really didn’t want to leave Gold Coast and a Queenslander at that. When Jack Bowes signed the heavily back ended contract at Gold Coast, it was during a time where they were in dire straits and signing anyone willing to stay on big coin just on potential.

How often does Geelong give out four year contracts in general yet alone to someone of the calibre of Bowes? Not often at all. I’ve seen people say that Cooper Stephens was going to be a superstar and another say Jansen would play 200 games. I really don’t think it’s as massive as we think when he’s in the right age bracket and clearly a leader.

I’m not sure if Dangerfield or Stewart is going to be our next captain but by the time Stewart is Joel Selwood’s age Jack Bowes will be Tom Stewart’s age. I’m going early but I said it before anyone else. Let’s re-evaluate in 4 years time!

I'm with you on this one.

The club clearly rate him very highly and have for some time. They see him as a midfielder in our side, probably taking Selwood's minutes.

For the sake of argument, let's just say he has a renaissance like Will Brodie did this year, which I personally believe he will.

Suddenly you've got a fringe All Australian player who's a known leader, well spoken, and a team first person.....sounds a lot like a captain, doesn't it?

Of course there's some 'ifs' in that scenario, but that's what this place is all about. Most of us had Tom Atkins on the scrapheap 12 months ago.....now he's one of our most important players. It's far from out of the realms of possibility, as you said.

 

[CatRiot]

From viewing him at Eastern, very explosive- strong, quick, very good overhead.
Reminds of??? Danger, dare I say it.
Has not grown into his body yet.

I don't think he has Danger/Rohan/I Smith wheels... He isn't slow, but he ain't a rocket either.
He has a good kick on him, and can mark overhead, and definitely not slow. So he has a good mix of traits to make it. I just fear his body might not be up to it. Let's hope for the best.

 

[Turbocat]

Listen to Philupu ...in the afl clip talk about his season .... the kid doesn't lack confidence. I could see how some would say he is almost over confident.

Class of 2022: Son of former Dog a top-10 draft chance

Get to know South Australian Mattaes Phillipou, a big-bodied midfielder confident of making a big splash at the 2022 NAB AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

 

[Turbocat]

I don’t think Kreuger needs to debut in 2023 to retain his spot on the list. But he probably needs to demonstrate that his body is up to the rigors of playing at VFL level at least. If he can have a full year in the 2’s and improve over the year then that would be a good result.

we will see I guess. Many here thought Stevens was in for big future . Franky Evans too. It will get down to list spots and retirements. Some times a player can be lucky and plays depart creating spots which take the pressure off. Some times players come in and the get pushed.

 

[Turbocat]

I don't know about pick 7 but I still think that Jack Bowes is so good that he'll be our captain one day. I'm not usually one to make massive calls like this especially when they're on a positive note but thats how high I rate that guy.

It would be quite an achievement. It probably would depend on who is our next Captain ...and how long he is in the job for him to have a chance... and who comes in who has leadership material in this draft. If we look back most Captains have been on the list for several years before being given the job. I think Joel was 5 years , Ling 8 or 9 , Harley 8 years ....

If Danger is appointed it would be 7 years , If Stewart it would be 6 years ...

I think Stewart gets the job, he turns 30 in march ... the next captain after him probably happens within 4 years ..

 

[Johnny Cattery]

Backing in the clubs culture on this one. We just stole a guy who really didn’t want to leave Gold Coast and a Queenslander at that. When Jack Bowes signed the heavily back ended contract at Gold Coast, it was during a time where they were in dire straits and signing anyone willing to stay on big coin just on potential.

How often does Geelong give out four year contracts in general yet alone to someone of the calibre of Bowes? Not often at all. I’ve seen people say that Cooper Stephens was going to be a superstar and another say Jansen would play 200 games. I really don’t think it’s as massive as we think when he’s in the right age bracket and clearly a leader.

I’m not sure if Dangerfield or Stewart is going to be our next captain but by the time Stewart is Joel Selwood’s age Jack Bowes will be Tom Stewart’s age. I’m going early but I said it before anyone else. Let’s re-evaluate in 4 years time!

I love that you've gone big on Bowes. Looks like Stewart was the lock for captain but he's blown it a bit after that suspension. I felt he played angry in the grand final, and although he did nothing wrong (which is to say he got away with some niggling when it seemed not to fit what was happening in the game) I didn't get any sense of him playing as the kind of leader people want to follow. Blitz, Duncan, Danger, all have good qualities; none are Selwood, but who can be?

I think the key question is whether the club's trade period has actually changed our thinking abou the draft. Because however much you plan for it ... and clearly bits of it had been planned for a looong time ... you cannot be sure that it will come off. now we have strong midfield stocks, is there leadership in there - Bowes among them - that makes Jhyr Clark less of a need (or even just a bit less desirable) from that point of view?

With Bruhn and Bowes in, in particular, the club might be feeling like the Premiership has given them a bit of a licence to go more high risk high reward with a pick, rather than with what has been seen for some time as the safe if unreachable option in Clark.

Someone like Philippou might appeal, not least to us as he's Woodville West Torrens and that worked out pretty well for Stokes. But alarm bells would surely be ringing that Adelaide traded out pick five ... or was that a really horrible decision on their part? i just don't see anyone in that pick five-ten group who screams "I can improve out of of sight".

It looks to me like our choice might come down to a] picking up whoever is the last of the so-called top eight, which might or might not be Clark; b] going a fraction early on Busslinger; or c] splitting with Sydney or Collingwood or some combination of that, and trying to pick up two top twenties.

I find myself hoping for different choices each day ... have been desperate for a top pick ... but what if it's just the leftovers and they aren't as top picky as a top pick should be? Handy to pick up two players in the top twenty (I think we could go companion ponies, possibly a couple of WA boys); but gee a quality key defender from WA would be nice.

I'm hoping the club makes the best possible decision, since I'm down to rock paper scissors.

 

[year of the cat]

we will see I guess. Many here thought Stevens was in for big future . Franky Evans too. It will get down to list spots and retirements. Some times a player can be lucky and plays depart creating spots which take the pressure off. Some times players come in and the get pushed.

True. I see Smith, Tuohy and Stanley all being likely retirements. There will be further player movement too so I don't think a lack of list spots should be an issue after next season. But they all have to show something at some time.

 

[Johnny Cattery]

True. I see Smith, Tuohy and Stanley all being likely retirements. There will be further player movement too so I don't think a lack of list spots should be an issue after next season. But they all have to show something at some time.

There's a regular pattern :
'list spots will be really tight'
'oh look we just delisted four and two retired and two got traded out'
'we've just committed to three incoming trades, two father sons/VFL players and a German pole vaulter'
'list spots are really tight'

The simple fact is that the Cats routinely turn over 20% of their list every year and no-one notices. There was a very good article a few years ago about the fact that we don't sweat departures and that creates high turnover. But the strategy works because our delistings come off the back of training and playing. Get 'em in, give 'em the training, move them on if they don't improve. It means there are a lot of ex cats out there on other lists, but very few if any who we wish we still had. (It didn't work as well during the period when we were hanging on to the likes of Vardy, Menzel, McCarthy and Cowan - which was a combination of management and medical decision-making.)

Just another example of the way in which backroom thinking that is highly professional - strategic, consistent and, yes, ruthless - puts us ahead.

 

[Vdubs]

I don't think he has Danger/Rohan/I Smith wheels... He isn't slow, but he ain't a rocket either.
He has a good kick on him, and can mark overhead, and definitely not slow. So he has a good mix of traits to make it. I just fear his body might not be up to it. Let's hope for the best.

He's quick off the mark, but not necessarily a running player, if that makes sense.

 

[Drunkcat]

Backing in the clubs culture on this one. We just stole a guy who really didn’t want to leave Gold Coast and a Queenslander at that. When Jack Bowes signed the heavily back ended contract at Gold Coast, it was during a time where they were in dire straits and signing anyone willing to stay on big coin just on potential.

How often does Geelong give out four year contracts in general yet alone to someone of the calibre of Bowes? Not often at all. I’ve seen people say that Cooper Stephens was going to be a superstar and another say Jansen would play 200 games. I really don’t think it’s as massive as we think when he’s in the right age bracket and clearly a leader.

I’m not sure if Dangerfield or Stewart is going to be our next captain but by the time Stewart is Joel Selwood’s age Jack Bowes will be Tom Stewart’s age. I’m going early but I said it before anyone else. Let’s re-evaluate in 4 years time!

If we could get pick 7 we would do it every year lol just ask Richmond fans

 

[Sky]

If we could get pick 7 we would do it every year lol just ask Richmond fans

Yea I ain’t the guy for that haha, the Tiggies on BF and I get on quite well. Brothers from another mother kinda stuff. We are all some type of cat at the end of the day, we should be going for the 5 bird clubs I say

kiss hug tigs2010

 

[Drunkcat]

we will see I guess. Many here thought Stevens was in for big future . Franky Evans too. It will get down to list spots and retirements. Some times a player can be lucky and plays depart creating spots which take the pressure off. Some times players come in and the get pushed.

Your 2nd year you have to show you have the tools the club wants or i think you are gone unless you are a Tall

 

[cats_09]

Apparently the F&S rule isn't fair because some sons forge a better career than players taken before them in the draft...

 

[supahoops]

There's a regular pattern :
'list spots will be really tight'
'oh look we just delisted four and two retired and two got traded out'
'we've just committed to three incoming trades, two father sons/VFL players and a German pole vaulter'
'list spots are really tight'

The simple fact is that the Cats routinely turn over 20% of their list every year and no-one notices. There was a very good article a few years ago about the fact that we don't sweat departures and that creates high turnover. But the strategy works because our delistings come off the back of training and playing. Get 'em in, give 'em the training, move them on if they don't improve. It means there are a lot of ex cats out there on other lists, but very few if any who we wish we still had. (It didn't work as well during the period when we were hanging on to the likes of Vardy, Menzel, McCarthy and Cowan - which was a combination of management and medical decision-making.)

Just another example of the way in which backroom thinking that is highly professional - strategic, consistent and, yes, ruthless - puts us ahead.

Something I’ve noticed for years now is we very rarely have players over 23
bouncing between AFL/VFL. Either depth on there way out ie Dahlhaus or given plenty of chances due to perceived upside ie Narkle or persisted with due to injury ie Cowan but the club is usually decisive in their evaluation and very few get to either hang around indefinitely or come back to hurt us with an opposition club. One of the underrated aspects of list management being when to let someone go as much as when to bring someone in and we do it particularly well.

 

[Shadow89]

It is not playing the man at all

But when someone posts that a player who played 5 senior games last season for Gold Coast Suns is going to Captain Geel one day - surely you should be able to call that Rubbish

The ethics of this Geel forum - just post blue sky after blue sky - and everything is sweet

You can debate something without having to have a go at the specific poster or casting aspersions on their point of view. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing - I actively encourage it because I learn more and get different view-points - but there's a way to go about it rather than 'you're wrong and I'm right, and you're stupid for thinking otherwise.'

I think we can all do better with this.