Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[cats_09]

 

[catempire]

Its really just Henry and Bruhn... if Bowes is as reported. ..just take him and his money.

Apparently GWS want or Fr1

Henry our P18 ... plus a pick of some sort ... you would think thats enough.

GWS and GC both wanting the FR1 is the issue.

 

[Turbocat]

I’m sure they are but I can’t see how we get to keep 7 under any scenario where we get all the players. Perhaps the long shot is trading our later picks this year to someone like Brisbane to give us a 20s pick which we can package for Henry or Bruhn.

at the very least it will be a captivating trade period.... can they get it done. .

We may have plans ..but pretty sure we originally planned to take Cameron as a FA too.

 

[Turbocat]

GWS and GC both wanting the FR1 is the issue.

But do they? I guess we will find out soon. I think we may need to upgrade some of these later picks for an early pick somewhere.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Then they can keep him, that's ridiculous.

Any club that sends back a 1st to GC in this situation is making a horrific decision, and that would include Geelong if they did that.

The reason 7 is on the board is because his contract is way overs for the next 2 years and they want to dump it.

How can they then demand what could be a better pick back next year, we would be essential taking their salary dump for free.

Only way it can happen is they pay half his salary.

Important point being overlooked in this discussion is that the Suns have nowhere to go now with Bowes. They've burnt him and in the process, told him to go away and figure out which club he wants to go to and let them know. Very poor man management and, from what I'm told, it's the reason Dangerfield has connected with him. AFLPA are watching how things play out at a few clubs and the Suns are doing some very left field things. But overall, there's some concerns about how they're dealing with players. I wouldn't be surprised if Bowes manager has been speaking with the AFLPA to bring it to their attention - particularly as Bowes is widely known to have restructured his agreement terms to help the club - now it's the clubs turn to return the favour and a few are unhappy with how it's playing out.

When it's all sorted in the wash up, I think the club will have been reminded that this is a problem of their own making (salary cap / player dump issues) and at the heart of all this is their reputation for how they treat their players. I think the other thing that plays out thanks to the Suns, is that the AFL will change the rules and tighten some loopholes on clubs getting priority picks one minute because they sook it up - then 5 minutes later they're giving players away and adding top 10 draft picks to sweeten the deal. Can't have it both ways and it just makes the AFL look silly.

 

[year of the cat]

But do they? I guess we will find out soon. I think we may need to upgrade some of these later picks for an early pick somewhere.

You wonder when it gets to the stage when teams start to say, “F the Cats, why should we do them any favours?” and avoid for example upgrading our picks for us.

 

[Turbocat]

You wonder when it gets to the stage when teams start to say, “F the Cats, why should we do them any favours?” and avoid for example upgrading our picks for us.

I guess there is always a chance of a "Khan" type mindset. I tend to believe in self interest.

 

[Two Planks]

If the pick 7 and Bowes deal involves a fr1 going to Gold Coast, I would walk away.

 

[Sire of Claude]

"Disgruntled" or not, we do need more youth on our list, preferably youth with ability.

We've just fielded the oldest team ever, from all reports, and, though that same oldest team won the flag, we have a hole at the centre of our age demographic. We don't know for sure how many, if any, of our most recent draftees will make the grade; so procuring Henry and Bruhn makes good sense. I can't comment on Bowes as i don't if he has even expressed a wish to join the Cats, but pick 7 would be a prodigious coup and, if we should manage to get it, should be taken to the draft to secure either Clark or one of the best key pos fellows.

 

[Two Planks]

Lions are likely to have to use there fr1 on Dunkley or Ashcroft/Fletcher points, so not sure if they will be able to trade fr2 and or fr3 to us as well.

 

[Jumping Jack]

You wonder when it gets to the stage when teams start to say, “F the Cats, why should we do them any favours?” and avoid for example upgrading our picks for us.

Easy to form that view from the outside. Amongst recruiters and list managers though, I think there's a constant reminder that if you try and screw someone on deal X, then it will come back to bite you on deal Y when you're trying to negotiate an outcome.

Dodoro is possibly the exception to this and is generally seen as wanting everything to go his way, but very difficult to deal with the other way. When you consider the state of Essendon's list, and the wasted draft picks, it's hard to see how he's still there with everything else that's gone on around him. Clearly he has photos.

Other clubs can sook and moan all they like, but ultimately they respect how Geelong go about it.

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

McRae is like Bevo. All about the spirit of the club. If he even gets the slightest whiff that you're not 100% in, then you're out.

Yep, and I suspect the only chance they had to retain Ollie was to pick him for the finals, even if he wasn't playing up to their required standards. That they chose not to do so, knowing it likely meant his departure, is a sign of confidence in what you are building and I respect them more for it.

 

[strauchnyy]

I should have been clearer. In order to get pick 7 Gold Coast will want our 2023 R1. We may be able to avoid that but if we do we won’t get pick 7.

I wouldn’t think the deal to take $1.7m off their hands will involve us giving anything more than a future second. Could even be future 3rd.

 

[year of the cat]

Easy to form that view from the outside. Amongst recruiters and list managers though, I think there's a constant reminder that if you try and screw someone on deal X, then it will come back to bite you on deal Y when you're trying to negotiate an outcome.

Dodoro is possibly the exception to this and is generally seen as wanting everything to go his way, but very difficult to deal with the other way. When you consider the state of Essendon's list, and the wasted draft picks, it's hard to see how he's still there with everything else that's gone on around him. Clearly he has photos.

Other clubs can sook and moan all they like, but ultimately they respect how Geelong go about it.

Not necessarily saying that they’ll try and screw us over, more that they just avoid trading with us as much as possible. Obviously if a player nominates us they have no choice. My point was more directed at pick swaps.

 

[Kitcat]

Important point being overlooked in this discussion is that the Suns have nowhere to go now with Bowes. They've burnt him and in the process, told him to go away and figure out which club he wants to go to and let them know. Very poor man management and, from what I'm told, it's the reason Dangerfield has connected with him. AFLPA are watching how things play out at a few clubs and the Suns are doing some very left field things. But overall, there's some concerns about how they're dealing with players. I wouldn't be surprised if Bowes manager has been speaking with the AFLPA to bring it to their attention - particularly as Bowes is widely known to have restructured his agreement terms to help the club - now it's the clubs turn to return the favour and a few are unhappy with how it's playing out.

When it's all sorted in the wash up, I think the club will have been reminded that this is a problem of their own making (salary cap / player dump issues) and at the heart of all this is their reputation for how they treat their players. I think the other thing that plays out thanks to the Suns, is that the AFL will change the rules and tighten some loopholes on clubs getting priority picks one minute because they sook it up - then 5 minutes later they're giving players away and adding top 10 draft picks to sweeten the deal. Can't have it both ways and it just makes the AFL look silly.

Yes. If Bowes chooses us, what bargaining power do GC have? They can't make him go to another club and they can't keep him. So Geelong can be their normal reasonable selves but they don't have to give a first round pick.

 

[Wellsy35]

If the pick 7 and Bowes deal involves a fr1 going to Gold Coast, I would walk away.

I’m firmly of the opinion that the “something back” GC’s list manager was referring to was like a future 2nd/3rd, because:

1) they want us to eat his contract fully, and a FR1 makes it too close to even to be an incentive, and;
2) the fact they’re willing to entertain giving away pick 7 entirely is I think because they don’t want to keep adding top picks, cos then they’ll have to pay them overs and it ****s their cap all over again. They’re trying to break the cycle they and GWS are in, and adding two first rounders next year may not help that strategy.

 

[Kyuss]

After we dug our heels in a little we traded a contracted Jordan Clark

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Jordan Clark

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

for pick 21. Why is Bruhn worth more than this?
A round 2 pick and Esava and I can see the deal being done. We may have to get creative and upgrade the round 2 a little but we have more than enough capital to do it either this year or next.

Pick 18 for Henry.

 

[Kappa]

Good luck with Henry, will either be a superstar or a dud... nothing inbetween.

 

[Kitcat]

Easy to form that view from the outside. Amongst recruiters and list managers though, I think there's a constant reminder that if you try and screw someone on deal X, then it will come back to bite you on deal Y when you're trying to negotiate an outcome.

Dodoro is possibly the exception to this and is generally seen as wanting everything to go his way, but very difficult to deal with the other way. When you consider the state of Essendon's list, and the wasted draft picks, it's hard to see how he's still there with everything else that's gone on around him. Clearly he has photos.

Other clubs can sook and moan all they like, but ultimately they respect how Geelong go about it.

Exactly. Dodoro is the toughest negotiator with the weakest results.

 

[Hamingja]

If the pick 7 and Bowes deal involves a fr1 going to Gold Coast, I would walk away.

GC have ****ed it up so bad that the AFL have had to change the rules for them to try and get out of the noose. I wouldn't be giving them anything back. If Bowes wants to come to Geelong and nowhere else he can dig in and make them sweat.

 

[strauchnyy]

1. Priority is to get pick 7 and Bowes across. Trade for a future R2

2. 18 + 61 for Bruhn + 40

3. Trade 37 + 40 + 46 to essendon for 22 (who need points for davey) or Brisbane maybe

4. Trade 22 + 52 to pies for Henry

5. McKenna for free

End up with 7 in this draft and keep our future R1 and get all 4 targets.

Key part to this is pick 7 is the diamond in all of this and should not be split. even if it means we miss one of bruhn/Henry

 

[Two Planks]

1. Priority is to get pick 7 and Bowes across. Trade for a future R2

2. 18 + 61 for Bruhn + 40

3. Trade 37 + 40 + 46 to essendon for 22 (who need points for davey) or Brisbane maybe

4. Trade 22 + 52 to pies for Henry

5. McKenna for free

End up with 7 in this draft and keep our future R1 and get all 4 targets.

Key part to this is pick 7 is the diamond in all of this and should not be split. even if it means we miss one of bruhn/Henry

I think number 2 might be the hardest to get across the line

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

1. Priority is to get pick 7 and Bowes across. Trade for a future R2

2. 18 + 61 for Bruhn + 40

3. Trade 37 + 40 + 46 to essendon for 22 (who need points for davey) or Brisbane maybe

4. Trade 22 + 52 to pies for Henry

5. McKenna for free

End up with 7 in this draft and keep our future R1 and get all 4 targets.

Key part to this is pick 7 is the diamond in all of this and should not be split. even if it means we miss one of bruhn/Henry

 

[year of the cat]

I think number 2 might be the hardest to get across the line

4 is also optimistic.

 

[catempire]

But do they? I guess we will find out soon. I think we may need to upgrade some of these later picks for an early pick somewhere.

That my understanding. GC is dangling pick 7 to get something good back next year.

 

[catempire]

If the pick 7 and Bowes deal involves a fr1 going to Gold Coast, I would walk away.

Why?

Bowes + pick 7 >>>>> FR1