Rumour GFC 2022 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[cats_09]

 

[catempire]

I wouldn’t think the deal to take $1.7m off their hands will involve us giving anything more than a future second. Could even be future 3rd.

But that’s the only reason they are dangling pick 7 - to get something good back next year. Otherwise they’d just get Bowes off their books for whatever they could get.

 

[D BRIDGE]

You wonder when it gets to the stage when teams start to say, “F the Cats, why should we do them any favours?” and avoid for example upgrading our picks for us.

Why would other recruiters really say that?

I can understand nuffy supporters saying that.

At the end of the day, you just make the best deal you can for your club.

Wells has been nothing but class and completely respectful in every situation with players and other clubs when making many many trades.

If people are gonna dirty up because we have been successful... Then they shouldn't be in the game and need to become a tad more professional.

 

[Hinkley29]

Why?

Bowes + pick 7 >>>>> FR1

Bowes contract + Bowes + pick 7 is not >>>>>>>>> FR1

 

[Turbocat]

That my understanding. GC is dangling pick 7 to get something good back next year.

Thats understandable... but for the money I cant see it being Fr1... but I guess we see.

 

[cat_shack]

Every club Bowes has spoken to would of been told through his manager what GC are expecting. Zero chance they want a first back. Treloar was essentially a 12 pick upgrade for the pies and that was only for a 1/3 of his contract. For any club to eat over 1.5 mil of salary, then give a future first is complete insanity, no way it happens.

 

[catempire]

Bowes contract + Bowes + pick 7 is not >>>>>>>>> FR1

Disagree. Salary cap is a malleable commodity. We can eat Bowes’ salary by pushing other salaries back to 2025-26.

 

[D BRIDGE]

People need to chill on the idea of us giving back our F1 pick to potentially get Bowes + 7.

It's simply just not gonna happen.

Why would the club ever risk giving back a pick that could be 10ish for pick 7 and the pleasure of taking on a VFL player that is on Dangerfield type coin for 2x years?

GC done Bowes dirty... they have pushed and pushed back his $$$ - he has helped them by agreeing to that... and for doing so, they now wanna flick him because they now owe him too much due to being so helpful to them when called upon.

You might think that GC are losing pick #7... But on the flipside, they have gained in previous years by saving big $$$ with Bowes playing for them for well unders.

GC will trade Bowes to the club of his choice on the cheap (assuming the club takes on all of his $$$)... Nothing is surer.

They aren't going to come to the hard call to go down this route only to say to a club.... "Nah we'll keep him because you won't give us back a really good pick".

We just need to hope that Bowes ends up choosing us.

 

[tielgaz]

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I'm so eager for Bowes and pick 7, particularly the pick 7 part but I think Bowes can play as well, he could end up a very handy addition.

North might be able to fit him in salary cap wise but it doesn't make sense to me for either party. North spending big money on a player that isn't a genuine star and Bowes cashing in but going to another poor club without the support I think he needs.

I know I'm being biased but if Bowes has a think about it choosing Geelong may end up a better financial decision. Our development of players is proven, he's going to be supported by elite experienced midfielders and backs in Danger, Guthrie, Duncan, the likes of experience and support he's never had. Look beyond the two years at 850,000 and you might turn that into another 5.

People often say, "it's a business, if you were offered X money you'd take it" but I think you can genuinely make an argument that in this circumstance Geelong is the better opportunity.

Company 1: 850,000 for 2 years, uncertain company future, no manager, no support, business outlook looks dire, likely low levels of success.

Company 2: 850,000 for 3 years?, Gauranteed support and development, known fantastic work place, current business company of the year if not past two decades, opportunities for progression.

I’m not sure Collingwood can really push that hard in a trade for Henry.
They’ve bought in a number of players that play a similar role to him, played hi mostly in the vfl and offered him a poor contract. How they can then demand a high draft pick I don’t see how that adds up.
We’ll see how it plays out but rarely do we not get the player who nominated us.

The only one I can think of was Delulio (spelling wrong) from Richmond.

 

[tielgaz]

Will be the dumbest decision we can make.

Bruhn and Henry are not the players worth splitting a top 10 pick for. Rather pass on those players in all honesty… but in reality we should be able to accommodate without the need to split 7

No but both worth late 1st draft picks, they are 20 and will continue to improve over the next few years!

 

[tielgaz]

If we trade our current first for Henry (plus steak knives), our future first for Bruhn and our current second rounder to GC for Bowes plus pick 7 that works doesn’t it?

Yes but future 3rd would be good.

 

[Seeds]

It’s certainly a great ride we are currently on. To think we were mocked as “Dad’s Army” and our window had passed us by, yet here we are with a flag and likely to enter next season with DeKoning, Holmes, Stengle, Z.Guthrie, Parfitt, Bruhn, O.Henry which represents some of the finest young talent of any side in the comp. If we get pick 7 and convert that to Jye Clark or even Cam McKenzie then we have absolutely smashed it. And that’s not including the likes of Knevitt, Willis and Conway who look promising.

jack henry is younger then parfitt. Surely you add him too?

 

[Seeds]

But that’s the only reason they are dangling pick 7 - to get something good back next year. Otherwise they’d just get Bowes off their books for whatever they could get.

Didnt adelaide and gws do this with danger and cameron?

likewise gold coast with ablett?

 

[tielgaz]

If the pick 7 and Bowes deal involves a fr1 going to Gold Coast, I would walk away.

Not even in the conversation. No one is doing that!!!

 

[Hinkley29]

Disagree. Salary cap is a malleable commodity. We can eat Bowes’ salary by pushing other salaries back to 2025-26.

Salary cap is a finite resource just like draft picks and list spots.

You don’t give it away for free. That is how badly run clubs get into trouble and end up paying the salary of good players to play for other teams.

 

[catempire]

With Bowes it’s helpful to break it down:

What would he be worth in a straight swap on $450k per year? Maybe pick 25-30?

So what would he be worth on $850k per year? Pretty much nothing. Maybe pick 80? A token gesture at best.

So now what is the counterbalance to adding in pick 7? It has to be something fairly close to pick 7 for it to make any sense. Otherwise GC would just give him away for free.

 

[catempire]

Salary cap is a finite resource just like draft picks and list spots.

You don’t give it away for free. That is how badly run clubs get into trouble and end up paying the salary of good players to play for other teams.

Pick 7 is a spicy meatball. It’s not free.

 

[tielgaz]

After we dug our heels in a little we traded a contracted Jordan Clark for pick 21. Why is Bruhn worth more than this?
A round 2 pick and Esava and I can see the deal being done. We may have to get creative and upgrade the round 2 a little but we have more than enough capital to do it either this year or next.

Pick 18 for Henry.

Not sure why we are saying Esava is in this trade picture. GWS will have no interest, saints maybe a chance for Esava. Might as well keep him

 

[D BRIDGE]

But that’s the only reason they are dangling pick 7 - to get something good back next year. Otherwise they’d just get Bowes off their books for whatever they could get.

The thing is they don't get Bowes off their books if they don't offer #7.. and they want him off their books.

No sane list manager is taking Bowes and that contract without being gifted something very good... like a 1st round pick.

 

[Seeds]

With Bowes it’s helpful to break it down:

What would he be worth in a straight swap on $450k per year? Maybe pick 25-30?

So what would he be worth on $850k per year? Pretty much nothing. Maybe pick 80? A token gesture at best.

So now what is the counterbalance to adding in pick 7? It has to be something fairly close to pick 7 for it to make any sense. Otherwise GC would just give him away for free.

How do we possibly have the cap to do this? Stengle dekonning close atkins are all due much bigger coin going foward.

geelong has always priortised minimising payments over draft picks.

doesnt sound right to reverse this approach and pay bowes 850 thousand in the reserves just to get pick 7.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The difficulty with Henry from Geelong's side of things Is he isn't really a need at present and we have 1 or two other wants ahead of him in the trade period.

There's also impending retirements next year which means we're going to have a lot of list spots free and our F1 may be involved in getting Bruhn because apparently that's what GWS are targeting unless we can offload Ratugolea and throw in a 2nd round pick. We may well use a few picks this year to trade back into 23.

It's going to be an intriguing trade period.

Looking at our list we could genuinely have 6 retirements next year.

More than feasible to see OOC cats Smith (34 and end of 2023), Rohan (32), Ceglar (32), Blicavs (32), Stanley (32), Menegola (31), Hawkins (35), Tuohy (33).

Reckon Blicavs and Hawkins easily the most likely to go into 2024.

 

[tielgaz]

Good luck with Henry, will either be a superstar or a dud... nothing inbetween.

Not sure he has shown signs of being a dud like your Hoskin- Elliot. Surely he is a better prospect than him!

 

[#6 Thorp #7 Selwood LOL]

With Bowes it’s helpful to break it down:

What would he be worth in a straight swap on $450k per year? Maybe pick 25-30?

So what would he be worth on $850k per year? Pretty much nothing. Maybe pick 80? A token gesture at best.

So now what is the counterbalance to adding in pick 7? It has to be something fairly close to pick 7 for it to make any sense. Otherwise GC would just give him away for free.

The missing link is here.

He is not worth nothing on $850k, it's worse than that - he is actually detrimental to their list management strategy and they have to get rid of him in order to take on other players. They cannot even give him away for free because other clubs do not want to put themselves in the same bind.

Not many clubs have a spare $850k laying around, nor the certainty that they can open up space in 2 years time with a bunch of retirements looming like we do.

GC see him as dead cap being spent on a VFL player. We see him as a possible reclamation project that comes with an almighty sweetener.

If he chooses us, they are over a barrel.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Frankly, I'd rather see us keep our draft picks and forget about chasing disgruntled players from other clubs. Who would you rather, the next Joel Selwood or SDK, or a couple of these unproven cast offs from other clubs?

Yeah just imagine the GF side without Dangerfield, Cameron, Rohan, Tuohy, Stanley, Smith and rather have Darcy Lang, Nakia Cockatoo, Jarrod Jansen, Linc McCarthy, Josh Walker and Billie Smedts in their place instead. How good would that be hey?

 

[D BRIDGE]

How do we possibly have the cap to do this? Stengle dekonning close atkins are all due much bigger coin going foward.

geelong has always priortised minimising payments over draft picks.

doesnt sound right to reverse this approach and pay bowes 850 thousand in the reserves just to get pick 7.

I don't know how, why, where or when... But if we can, we can.

Us BigFooty heads can guess as much as we want... but the club will know if they can and want to.

It sounds like they can to me.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Of the 2, Hawkins appears that he could go longer. Tuohy having said that had a terrific finals series.

Hawk could play forever. Doesn't rely on speed, his kicking is good and he's still monstering defenders and rucks in contests.
As long as we have mids good enough to get it to him he looks ageless.