Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[stac]

lol... he will be well and truly gone by then.
Norf will use pick 3 Hawks 4 even the Dees at 5 will take him.
Best pure mid in the draft.
Ready to play from Round 1.

that would be really poor drafting if North took him at 3 in my opinion
north surely take two from Duursma, watson, curtain, osullivan, mckercher, caddy or croft
they have more than enough mids already and next years draft is strong with mids also
Dees also need forwards not out n out mids
hawks possibly but they two have greater needs elsewhere


i understand the whole best available scenario but you do have to at some point focus on needs if you are wanting to get better as a team.

 

[Vdubs]

If Duursma is available, what would people prefer between him and a pick in the 25-30 range for Esava?

I've got some reservations about Duursma, but I think he's got a better chance of playing 100 games for us than someone drafted in that range, and is a good age for our list, so I'd be inclined to try and include him in discussions.

Essendon expressing interest in Duursma as part of Zerk-Thatcher trade

The Bombers are showing interest.

www.sen.com.au

Duursma would be a great get. Looks like he's just waiting for a MF opportunity, having been behind Wines, Boak, then Butters and Rozee, and even JHF.
He was highly rated early on and is still young.

 

[TheMenz Gallery]

Only passing on what I've been told, and I think it's changed a bit this week. It seems Geelong (and other clubs) are waving the white flag on dragging Smith away from the Dogs this year. If that's the case, I'm comfortable enough with my source to accept that's what's happening.

Trade radio quoting Hawks head of football as being told Bailey Smith is off the table.

As much as we want him, and possibly Oliver, there's also a chance we revisit this discussion in a few years and breathe a big sigh of relief that we dodged bullets on both fronts.

Cal Twomey also suggesting Saints, Bombers and Cats most likely for Clayton Oliver. Saints and Bombers will be busy this trade period. Which may suggest we could be a chance. We could offer to pay 700-800k a year of his contract for X amount of years. Which is something we didn’t do for Jezza. Plus a couple of picks. If the relationship is as fractured as reported the Dees may let him go regardless of the perfect deal for them being struck.

 

[CatRiot]

So it seems like Oliver and Smith are staying at their clubs. I would rather just head to the draft now.

Not interesting in Wines, Duursma or Harmes.

I think Harmes will cost us nothing, and is he worse than a Pick 65ish in the draft? Probably not, we were getting belted in the contest this year. Need a bigger body with a bit of mongrel. I'm not particularly keen on him, but it depends if they want to have a crack and bolster the immediate depth, or just add speculative kids. I suspect this could be the last year we top up for a while with older players.

I don't think either of those improve what we got though. O'Brien isn't a genuine KPD size so no help if SDK goes down. Only backup for for J Henry or Kolo.

We need to bolster the midfield with A grade or Elite talent . Harmes is a C grader at best, I would rather who we get with pick 7.

We have plenty of role players like Atkins or MOC that rotate through the middle. Need the actual meat here, not the potatoes.

We need a Giant Portion of Meat in the guts. Sorry Vegans. Just the reality.

 

[BORIS332]

lol... he will be well and truly gone by then.
Norf will use pick 3 Hawks 4 even the Dees at 5 will take him.
Best pure mid in the draft.
Ready to play from Round 1.

I don't see how you can be so confident he'll be gone by our pick. He might be, but it's not that clear cut. Personally, my 'power ranking' is currently:

1. Harley Reid
2. Jed Walter
3. Colby McKercher
4. Zane Duursma
5. Daniel Curtin
6. Nick Watson
7. Ryley Sanders
8. Ethan Read
9. Connor O'Sullivan
10. Nate Caddy

If the draft panned out exactly that way, it would look like this:

1. WCE - Harley Reid
2. GCS - Jed Walter
3. NTH - Colby McKercher
4. NTH - Zane Duursma
5. HAW - Daniel Curtin
6. WBD - Nick Watson
7. MEL - Ryley Sanders
8. GCS - Ethan Read
9. GWS - Connor O'Sullivan
10. GEE - Nate Caddy

But that's if each club goes best available. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a few of the picks before us go best-fit and Sanders reaches us. Sanders is very good, but he's been overrated pretty heavily on this board. I agree with Mackie in that we can't really go wrong at our pick.

 

[Iago]

Bit of under rating of Duursma in this thread. In his first year looked every bit as talented as Butters before struggling with injuries.

Living in Adelaide I see a bit of Port and he is not the player he was when he first came in. I think he got a nasty head knock, may have even played in a helmet. I don't think he has ever fully recovered. His finals record is also very lacklustre too.

 

[stac]

Trade radio quoting Hawks head of football as being told Bailey Smith is off the table.

Cal Twomey also suggesting Saints, Bombers and Cats most likely for Clayton Oliver. Saints and Bombers will be busy this trade period. Which may suggest we could be a chance. We could offer to pay 700-800k a year of his contract for X amount of years. Which is something we didn’t do for Jezza. Plus a couple of picks. If the relationship is as fractured as reported the Dees may let him go regardless of the perfect deal for them being struck.

very much doubt Oliver leaves Melbourne

can anyone confirm that Smith's camp have told everyone this or have they just told the hawks.
Having the hawks voice this to the media shuts down the speculation about a move
but are the wheels still turning in the back ground???

 

[Grimoz]

Living in Adelaide I see a bit of Port and he is not the player he was when he first came in. I think he got a nasty head knock, may have even played in a helmet. I don't think he has ever fully recovered. His finals record is also very lacklustre too.

So basically like every Port Adelaide player!!!!

 

[Grimoz]

very much doubt Oliver leaves Melbourne

can anyone confirm that Smith's camp have told everyone this or have they just told the hawks.
Having the hawks voice this to the media shuts down the speculation about a move
but are the wheels still turning in the back ground???

How exactly would anyone know this information?

 

[CatRiot]

Duursma would be a great get. Looks like he's just waiting for a MF opportunity, having been behind Wines, Boak, then Butters and Rozee, and even JHF.
He was highly rated early on and is still young.

He is an Outside Midfielder. And has the capability to be a very high end one if he get's a clean run at it. Would could have a decent outside midfield if we can have Holmes and Duursma on either side of the wings, as it would add a lot of running power, and they can go goal side for sure.

The only issue is whether his form can go back to where it was, his first and third seasons were decent. The other seasons had some injuries and inconsistency, but maybe with experience it can be improved.

Is he worth a straight swap for Esava or do we have to cough up? If we have to cough up extra on Esava, I'm not sure.

Would you take a pick around 25 for Esava and hope to get a proper a-grade key defender like Shoenmaker? Or a ball pig inside mid like George Stevens? Or even something like ZZ who looks like a Blitz replacement, or even something like Charlie Edwards as an Outside Mid?

The Port forum is not happy about losing Duursma, and it sounds like their list manager is open to trading him. Port Forum reckon he is their best outside runner.mid...

 

[stac]

How exactly would anyone know this information?

Just wondering if anything had been said or written
bit odd that you would get that info from one of the interested parties and not the actual individual/manager involved.
i haven't seen or heard anything aside from the hawks camp

 

[moond0g]

I think Harmes will cost us nothing, and is he worse than a Pick 65ish in the draft? Probably not, we were getting belted in the contest this year. Need a bigger body with a bit of mongrel. I'm not particularly keen on him, but it depends if they want to have a crack and bolster the immediate depth, or just add speculative kids. I suspect this could be the last year we top up for a while with older players.

We need a Giant Portion of Meat in the guts. Sorry Vegans. Just the reality.

For me the question isn't 'is Harmes better than a pick 65 in the draft?', because as you say, the anwwer is probably yes.

The question is, 'are we better off playing Harmes as a role player/backup in the midfield, or one of the depth players we already have?'

e.g, are we better of playing Harmes or getting games into Knevitt, Dempsey, Bowes(in the midfield) etc. Because if we'd rather get games into those younger players (which I would), there's not as much need to have someone like Harmes. I'm not underestimating the importance of role players in good sides (Markov just won a flag doing this). But unless we've identified a specific role that Harmes fills that other players already on our list can't, then I'd stick to what we've got.

 

[CHAWKTS]

Surely just click bate (it worked with me!!)

 

[Gee Class Loco]

that would be really poor drafting if North took him at 3 in my opinion
north surely take two from Duursma, watson, curtain, osullivan, mckercher, caddy or croft
they have more than enough mids already and next years draft is strong with mids also
Dees also need forwards not out n out mids
hawks possibly but they two have greater needs elsewhere


i understand the whole best available scenario but you do have to at some point focus on needs if you are wanting to get better as a team.

Why? Best mid and best utility in Sanders and Curtin. Their pick 14 and 19 will be in talls or whatever they see they need.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

I don't see how you can be so confident he'll be gone by our pick. He might be, but it's not that clear cut. Personally, my 'power ranking' is currently:

1. Harley Reid
2. Jed Walter
3. Colby McKercher
4. Zane Duursma
5. Daniel Curtin
6. Nick Watson
7. Ryley Sanders
8. Ethan Read
9. Connor O'Sullivan
10. Nate Caddy

If the draft panned out exactly that way, it would look like this:

1. WCE - Harley Reid
2. GCS - Jed Walter
3. NTH - Colby McKercher
4. NTH - Zane Duursma
5. HAW - Daniel Curtin
6. WBD - Nick Watson
7. MEL - Ryley Sanders
8. GCS - Ethan Read
9. GWS - Connor O'Sullivan
10. GEE - Nate Caddy

But that's if each club goes best available. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a few of the picks before us go best-fit and Sanders reaches us. Sanders is very good, but he's been overrated pretty heavily on this board. I agree with Mackie in that we can't really go wrong at our pick.

For me Duursma and Watson are passes. If they dropped to us I’d be disappointed if we picked either of them. But each to their own

 

[PzBlinky]

Surely just click bate (it worked with me!!)

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We think they talk trash during the season, but journos really lose their mind at this stage of the season.

Not to mention a complete lack of research or understanding of what they're even rambling on about - but I guess that's an all-year theme with most of them.

 

[Jumping Jack]

Just wondering if anything had been said or written
bit odd that you would get that info from one of the interested parties and not the actual individual/manager involved.
i haven't seen or heard anything aside from the hawks camp

I posted earlier that I'd been told that's what the Geelong camp had supposedly been told. If the Hawks are now saying the same thing then I think we have the answer don't we?

 

[Chinacats]

Surely just click bate (it worked with me!!)

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If Clarry is available you have a crack at it…. Ditto Bailey Smith… not sure about Timmy O’Brien though…. Could be another Ceggars!

 

[Iago]

So basically like every Port Adelaide player!!!!

Crossed my mind as I typed.

 

[strauchnyy]

It's not blind enthusiasm, it's just recognising that kids take time.

Bruhn, Holmes, Clark & Knevitt are all early, or early-ish picks. The club will develop them, and they'll get there in due time.

I agree that we need another one or two, and Smith would be perfect as he fits that age range...but we are so hard on kids these days. I'd hate to see the early reviews on Ablett, Corey, Ling, & Bartel, too.

Inside mid is the hardest position to impact early in your career. You're a skinny teenager/young adult against opponents 10-20kg heavier than you, who can still run you into the ground despite the size difference.

Even the wonderkid Nick Daicos couldn't do it in his first year, they played him off halfback. It just takes time.

Butters & Rozee were the same. Half forward flankers until year 4. Petracca didn't get going until year 6. It's a tough gig mate.

You seem to adore Phillipou, and he can't do it either. He's playing forward.

Also, being blindly optimistic is putting your faith in Hayball & Timm House. The kids we've got now are high picks, we should be expecting them to be good. It's just going to take some time.

In the meantime, if we're going to be winning a premiership next year we do need somebody. Whether that's Smith, Wines, Oliver or somebody else, we'll wait and see.

It’s not about the pick number which you seem to base hope on.

It’s about what you see as an observer. The talent, eye catching glimpses, above average composure and moments. The players you mentioned from the previous generation did have that. I specifically recall James Kelly and Bartel do ridiculous things… albeit they weren’t consistent but you could tell they’d be very good.

You cannot say that yet with the players you mentioned other than Holmes and potentially bruhn who improved as the year went on. Clark played a quarter but we can’t hold out hope yet. I hope he has a great year.

It’s very easy and lazy to base an opinion on draft pick number and age to assume “she’ll be right”. Just coz they’re young and top 20 draft pick is no secret recipe for assuming they will make it. I have not seen the kind of spark in our young group to give me confidence that we have a supreme future mid, hence why I form the view we need to bring one or two in… also noting as you say, it’s a gap in our age too.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It’s not about the pick number which you seem to base hope on.

It’s about what you see as an observer. The talent, eye catching glimpses, above average composure and moments. The players you mentioned from the previous generation did have that. I specifically recall James Kelly and Bartel do ridiculous things… albeit they weren’t consistent but you could tell they’d be very good.

You cannot say that yet with the players you mentioned other than Holmes and potentially bruhn who improved as the year went on. Clark played a quarter but we can’t hold out hope yet. I hope he has a great year.

It’s very easy and lazy to base an opinion on draft pick number and age to assume “she’ll be right”. Just coz they’re young and top 20 draft pick is no secret recipe for assuming they will make it. I have not seen the kind of spark in our young group to give me confidence that we have a supreme future mid, hence why I form the view we need to bring one or two in… also noting as you say, it’s a gap in our age too.

I agree. I don’t think this current group is anything but speculative to bust at present time… I can see knevitt Dempsey both being busts or becoming decent players… they are no bartel corey ablett Kelly who showed huge talent and potential from an early age.

Conway after the bulldogs showing is the one who looks the most talented by far and I am confident will be a supreme talent imo.

I am far from convinced we have the core foundation of anything right now. I can see us needing to hit the draft several more times mixed up with free agency and trade avenues until we actually get the batter tasting good to slide the cake into the oven.. right now the cake batter tbh tastes mediocre.

 

[Gee Class Loco]

Chol nominates Dawks.
There goes pick 30 and 629 points.
Now pick 4 is well and truly up for grabs.

 

[dangerwood]

Bit of under rating of Duursma in this thread. In his first year looked every bit as talented as Butters before struggling with injuries.

Yeah I'd take Duursma for Sav

 

[Hinkley29]

And likely the reverse-the fellowship of belonging to, arguably, the world's greatest club probably helped his rehabilitation.

What?

 

[Kobe Gryant]

What?

Agree, wtf Vdubs?

Wasn't it literally two years ago the joint was reviewed for having a racist culture? Losing both their president and coach in the process?

That's without mentioning the countless sex, alcohol and/or drug related crimes over the last 10 years? Hell they had Crisp do it this year!!

You can't even say they're winners either, it's still only 3 since 1990. All with huge gaps inbetween.

They're far from the greatest club in our own sport, let alone the country or world wide.

As a side note, it's stuff like this that's why nobody gets along in here. We tear down our own club and prop up everybody else.

Newsflash, they're not that good.