Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt1

[cats_09]

As we are now getting into the season and we are starting to get a bit more serious with discussion, seems a suitable time to post the following as it's repeatedly shown itself to be a value reference tool in trade & draft discussion

And as per normal, thanks to Lore for putting this together - always a fantastic reference tool



And yes this post is now stickied - makes it easy to keep track of (can easily reverse this though if needed)

 

[rocker_oz33]

Who ever we get.

I hope they are the moon light shining of a Camaro's hood.

 

[Strange Cat]

True story ... if I'd had a son his name was going to be Eddie. Which was also the father in laws name.

I have two daughters.

Apparently he never does vocal warmups he just sing like that on cue

Beast talent

 

[rocker_oz33]

Apparently he never does vocal warmups he just sing like that on cue

Beast talent

Some help from the wine ...

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Who ever we get.

I hope they are the moon light shining of a Camaro's hood.

Who is on your wishlist?

 

[Strange Cat]

Who is on your wishlist?

I wouldn’t complain if we get something like Parish and Smith/Crouch

However implausible that’ll be ..would be nice to get Dodee too but I can’t see us landing all those players

 

[CoreyJoel]

What does everything think our priority is in terms of position?

I think midfield no doubt and to drill down a type that can break the lines.

Then I think pace off half back will be really important but players with good skill..

 

[Munich]

Been waiting .

for them to tour here again.
Hurry up..

I saw them last year.

 

[rocker_oz33]

I saw them last year.

Wow where shouts ..,??

 

[Strange Cat]

I saw them last year.

My jealousy is immense

 

[Munich]

Wow where shouts ..,??

London Hyde Park. 70k were there.

John McEnroe came out and played guitar at the end (Wimbledon was on).

No Black though the night I went ((((((

 

[Strange Cat]

Black makes me super depressed…haven’t listen to it in years

 

[Munich]

Black makes me super depressed…haven’t listen to it in years

I think its best version is Unplugged.

 

[Shadow89]

Got far too many to list but if I had to pick 3

Oceans

Given to fly

Alive

Daughter is still my all time fave

 

[Strange Cat]

I think its best version is Unplugged.

Oceans unplugged is a experience

 

[rocker_oz33]

Man of the hour , is sad for me .
But good memories as well.

 

[rocker_oz33]

I that reminds me .

I think it was 09 we played saints RD one we won Milburn kicked the winner ...shitehouse game .

Eddie was playing in Melbourne, should of when to that instead.

 

[And_ROOS]

I that reminds me .

I think it was 09 we played saints RD one we won Milburn kicked the winner ...shitehouse game .

Eddie was playing in Melbourne, should of when to that instead.

2011, Rd 1, lead goal scorer for the game was Mitch Duncan with 2 for us and no Saints player kicked more than 1.

Milburn was sub and kicked the goal with 23 seconds remaining.

 

[Mr Meow]

I completely disagree with your concept of what I said in the quoted post. You miss the ..."If in doubt" part of the quote.

...but maybe you see it different. If we are in doubt about 2e for example ... we should stick with him? He has played a few game this year. So all the older guys on the edge ..in balance we keep them? I doubt you want that as you talk about balance and bring younger players thru.

Do you disagree with what we did last year by improving access to youthful talent? We added players rated 4 r1 picks in their draft year last year. Bowes is not worth that now but I think the other three have helped the standard of our kids. Bruhn and Henry have played most of the year

Not once did I infer that we deliberate choose to lose. The consequence of going young might be lose a few more games for a while but its more about getting game into kids..and get them to 50 asap. Go young and reset the age profile of our list before Tass come in.... yes but not cull the list and I your inference that I said tank to get high draft picks is incorrect..... although it seems to have turned Haw around by doing that its not exactly what id do.



Let me say again. Any player that is in balance ...he might be ok or he might not be ..... then i would prefer ..to go young and reset.

Add players that are younger ..not older. Youth. 25 and younger. Younger free agents. Maybe 26. Parish as a Free agent OK Do not add a mature players near 30 as the next 3 years is a time move the balance and the age of the list. We have far too many near and over 30 if we are not in contention.

As good as Cameron Stewart and Guthrie are ..alone they will not be enough . Having Guthrie this year would have helped but not that much that it would have changed the saints game.

If we keep adding older players and do not keep adding youth like Bruhn, Clark , Henry etc ... the best we can add .. then we will not have to deliberately try to get high draft picks. Our best players are getting older.. Our best younger players under them..tomorrow best players are not to the same standard. We need talent and we need it be 25/26 or younger. Something with a 3 to 5 year horizon.

I don't think anyone really disagrees with this premise.

However from the 2018 draft/trade period onwards have we really recruited many mature top ups?

A 27 year old key forward and a 31 year old wingman in 2020 are the main two that come to mind.

Then there was the failed Jack Steven experiment from the 2019 recruitment period.

We've added stacks of kids in that time.

"If Scott had his way he'd keep on doing the same" - to me it looks like Scott's "same" has evolved over the last few years. I wouldn't see getting one guy over 24 as breaking that evolution.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

What does everything think our priority is in terms of position?

I think midfield no doubt and to drill down a type that can break the lines.

Then I think pace off half back will be really important but players with good skill..

It'll be interesting how Oisin goes, if he can be that small defender with pace. Our perhaps be moved to the wing at a later date?

He and Holmes on each wing would give us a bit of toe.

Mids has to be our priority, and I would move on Ceglar and try and get a cheap ruck for next year, someone early to mid 20s with Conway and move Stanley to backup ruck.

 

[CoreyJoel]

It'll be interesting how Oisin goes, if he can be that small defender with pace. Our perhaps be moved to the wing at a later date?

He and Holmes on each wing would give us a bit of toe.

Mids has to be our priority, and I would move on Ceglar and try and get a cheap ruck for next year, someone early to mid 20s with Conway and move Stanley to backup ruck.

Agree with this. Although I wonder if they take the punt and roll the dice with Conway next year. Have Stanley as back up or maybe pick up another mature ruck but might be hard to find someone to play VFL.

I am hoping Holmes can become a centre bounce mid with his speed but can also see his strengths on a wing for a year or two.

Feel we need someone who becomes an accumulator in the guts who feeds it out but hopefully that becomes a Bruhn or even a Clark with another pre season under his belt.

 

[And_ROOS]

Agree with this. Although I wonder if they take the punt and roll the dice with Conway next year. Have Stanley as back up or maybe pick up another mature ruck but might be hard to find someone to play VFL.

I am hoping Holmes can become a centre bounce mid with his speed but can also see his strengths on a wing for a year or two.

Feel we need someone who becomes an accumulator in the guts who feeds it out but hopefully that becomes a Bruhn or even a Clark with another pre season under his belt.

I think Conway will get a fair run at it IF he can stay fit. But if Ceglar retires/gets delisted, we absolutely should be looking at other teams 2nd or 3rd choice rucks. This means it gives Conway competition but also insurance because he hasn't had a good run with injury, and also because Stanley has had issues this season and will be 33 next season and I worry we have seen the last of him playing more than 15 games a year.

 

[CoreyJoel]

I think Conway will get a fair run at it IF he can stay fit. But if Ceglar retires/gets delisted, we absolutely should be looking at other teams 2nd or 3rd choice rucks. This means it gives Conway competition but also insurance because he hasn't had a good run with injury, and also because Stanley has had issues this season and will be 33 next season and I worry we have seen the last of him playing more than 15 games a year.

Agree.
I wonder if they can get away with Conway next year and Stanley as either 1st choice or back up and then another player on stand by kinda like Ceglar but probs someone who is fit and can play

 

[And_ROOS]

Agree.
I wonder if they can get away with Conway next year and Stanley as either 1st choice or back up and then another player on stand by kinda like Ceglar but probs someone who is fit and can play

Needs to be someone not like Ceglar, he was too old and cooked before we got him, it was a bad idea to recruit a ruck over 30 who just isn't athletic.
As said, surely there is a 2nd or 3rd ruck not getting a look in at a club like Melbourne/WB/Freo/Croms/Suns etc, who are behind a class ruck who starts every game who we can offer game time too.
I think Conway is very talented, but we are yet to see anything to suggest he won't be brittle next next. And Stanley is 33 next year. Absolutely mad if we go in with Stanley, Conway and Ceglar next year.

 

[Turbocat]

I don't think anyone really disagrees with this premise.

However from the 2018 draft/trade period onwards have we really recruited many mature top ups?

A 27 year old key forward and a 31 year old wingman in 2020 are the main two that come to mind.

Then there was the failed Jack Steven experiment from the 2019 recruitment period.

We've added stacks of kids in that time.

"If Scott had his way he'd keep on doing the same" - to me it looks like Scott's "same" has evolved over the last few years. I wouldn't see getting one guy over 24 as breaking that evolution.

You have quoted one post and then referenced another.

The first was an opinion by myself, the another was relative to what was the club thinking and what I believe Chris Scott would do or think

The "if in doubt post" ... simply... when assessing a player that was older , and we have several, Id believe that if it was touch and go I would advocate going for youth and letting the older player go. Id like to see us up the tempo of changing the age profile and adding youth to the side. To continue with the approach of the last 12 months if we could..although thats difficult considering the draft pick situation. To absorb the pain that youth can bring. Basically IMO.

On the Scott "doing the same". which came as a response to a post that postulated ..about club thinking..rebuild or top up...

Post the Saints game...in the context of a lot of the comments in here and in the press... has been the subject of what should Geelong do now. Era over. What change must come.What players should be kept etc. There were plenty of comments in game and after it...players that are Premiership players , players that were mature , players that were cooked, etc etc.

The original post was asking what was the "club thinking" in respect of list change ..should we etc. yet the presser from CS ...he was not expressing an over ridding need to change.

Maybe Mackie and Wells and Hocking and whoever else contributes their thoughts and influences within the planning and paths the club currently follow and will follow may well think that all is sweet, we are on the correct path, that this is not unexpected and that all we need to keep proceeding exactly as we have been. They may also think we have to swing change or that we have to up the tempo of transition. My point basically centred around the belief that it is not mandatory that all within the club think the same way and its not an absolute that Scott will have the final say on which way the clubs goes .. but from his comments and history .. I doubt he would be an advocate for rash change. He would be an advocate for doing the maintain same approach we have been pursuing

If there was a player that could be brought in , closer to 30 than 20 that would immediately help the side..I'd would think he would be all for it. The players like Rohan or Smith that have been successful for him and his team..he quite happily repeat. He would be happy to see some player movement ..as has happened every year but he would probably be mostly conservative, back most of the players to still do it again for him in 2024 when fitter or when the team has a better run with injury. He would happily bring in another Danger or Cameron if we could and the only preventitive issue being their scarceness and their cost. He would probably be all for continuing to add players who could run the legs of a rabbit even if young or inexperienced.

Basically despite the loss to StK or the way the year has panned out post Premiership or the pending arrival of the Tassy team.. I think Chris would say we have no need to radically change or worry or little need to panic about where we are or what we are doing at all. That we have kids like Clark and Kneviit and we will add to them ... and we will see the best of them to push in when tehy have shown their better than another player in the side.

I would agree the "same" has evolved and that what we were doing two or three years ago has changed..especially since the arrival of Hocking... but the post was made and is based on what we are now in 2023..and what we should do post season... not whether CS has ever changed or evolved. I have no doubt that has probably happened organically as much as from directive or a deliberate choice to alter his an the clubs methodology.

 

[Mr Meow]

You have quoted one post and then referenced another.

The first was an opinion by myself, the another was relative to what was the club thinking and what I believe Chris Scott would do or think

The "if in doubt post" ... simply... when assessing a player that was older , and we have several, Id believe that if it was touch and go I would advocate going for youth and letting the older player go. Id like to see us up the tempo of changing the age profile and adding youth to the side. To continue with the approach of the last 12 months if we could..although thats difficult considering the draft pick situation. To absorb the pain that youth can bring. Basically IMO.

On the Scott "doing the same". which came as a response to a post that postulated ..about club thinking..rebuild or top up...

Post the Saints game...in the context of a lot of the comments in here and in the press... has been the subject of what should Geelong do now. Era over. What change must come.What players should be kept etc. There were plenty of comments in game and after it...players that are Premiership players , players that were mature , players that were cooked, etc etc.

The original post was asking what was the "club thinking" in respect of list change ..should we etc. yet the presser from CS ...he was not expressing an over ridding need to change.

Maybe Mackie and Wells and Hocking and whoever else contributes their thoughts and influences within the planning and paths the club currently follow and will follow may well think that all is sweet, we are on the correct path, that this is not unexpected and that all we need to keep proceeding exactly as we have been. They may also think we have to swing change or that we have to up the tempo of transition. My point basically centred around the belief that it is not mandatory that all within the club think the same way and its not an absolute that Scott will have the final say on which way the clubs goes .. but from his comments and history .. I doubt he would be an advocate for rash change. He would be an advocate for doing the maintain same approach we have been pursuing

If there was a player that could be brought in , closer to 30 than 20 that would immediately help the side..I'd would think he would be all for it. The players like Rohan or Smith that have been successful for him and his team..he quite happily repeat. He would be happy to see some player movement ..as has happened every year but he would probably be mostly conservative, back most of the players to still do it again for him in 2024 when fitter or when the team has a better run with injury. He would happily bring in another Danger or Cameron if we could and the only preventitive issue being their scarceness and their cost. He would probably be all for continuing to add players who could run the legs of a rabbit even if young or inexperienced.

Basically despite the loss to StK or the way the year has panned out post Premiership or the pending arrival of the Tassy team.. I think Chris would say we have no need to radically change or worry or little need to panic about where we are or what we are doing at all. That we have kids like Clark and Kneviit and we will add to them ... and we will see the best of them to push in when tehy have shown their better than another player in the side.

I would agree the "same" has evolved and that what we were doing two or three years ago has changed..especially since the arrival of Hocking... but the post was made and is based on what we are now in 2023..and what we should do post season... not whether CS has ever changed or evolved. I have no doubt that has probably happened organically as much as from directive or a deliberate choice to alter his an the clubs methodology.

In reference to your ideas on recruitment and regeneration of the side, I basically agree with your principles.

I just haven't seen Scott and co stacking the deck with outsourced oldies for a while. Cameron was still someone to build a forward line around for 5 or 6 years (and a talent that couldn't be ignored), Smith absolutely was a short term plug and play, Steven was a failed version of that.

Most of the team regeneration lately (last few years) has been from 25 and unders. Very different to 2012-2017 in my opinion. Do you disagree with that?