Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[goyoucatters]

This is my thinking too.

They will be telling him to work on his forward craft. He will be aware of the Conway situation.

A Conway/Murphy partnership where Murphy is a ruck/forward could work. It seems apparent that Neale is to be kept out of the ruck.

So when's Murphy joining the club? Seems like a furphy to me...

#nothimthough
#sorryjoe

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I’ve been wanting to bring up the recruitment of Edwards for a couple of days now (just been thinking about it in my head) so maybe now is a good time to do so and some switched on minds here can give their thoughts.

I just wonder why we actually recruited him… as in why and for what particular reason and what do we think it will look like if both Edwards and Conway both look the goods in a few years.

Are they slightly unsure about Conway?

Do we just rate Edwards so highly that we took him with our second selection even though we have a young Conway coming through. He was just too good not to take kinda style.

Do we think Edwards could maybe play key position or be like a hopefully better Mason Cox.

Do we think that one of them should at least make it and have us covered in the ruck for 10+ years.

Did we not love anyone else in the draft and thought we’d get the guys we wanted anyway even if we took Edwards prior… and I mean Mannagh and Stevens… the other late picks we’re probably no danger of not getting to us.

Assuming Stanley retires do we still need to pick up a cheap mature ruck because Edwards won’t be ready next year and we will only have Neale as a backup, but we probably want him at FF next year… There’s not much ruck cover at all if we don’t.

If both Edwards looks the good but can’t get in the team over Conway does it just turn into an English/Jordan Sweet situation where Edwards is good enough to play but can’t get a foot in so he gets traded away on the cheap after we invest a second rounder on him and a few years of development.

I just find it odd that we have taken two young rucks very close to each other with picks that suggest that we really like them as future #1 rucks.

Time will tell, it’ll be years before we get a result either way.

I think maybe I wanted that Cooper Simpson kid Freo took and I felt like grabbing another young ruck was less of a requirement seeing we have Conway.

Hopefully both rucks are very very good… but even if they are, that might not even work unless Edwards can play forward pretty to a decent level.

Just been thinking about it of late as we get excited about all the other kids we took last draft and I’m happy for others to let me know their thoughts.

I had this thought kicking around my head for weeks after the draft and doubt have an answer.

Best I can come up with is that they think they can train him into a Rory Lobb type 2nd ruck forward type. He'd come on around the same time Cameron tapers off so he might be a very bargain basement plan B.

Doesn't work for the dogs, no reason it can't not work for us too.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Without Edwards we have 2 proper rucks on our list. One is 33. It was a pretty massive vote of confidence in Conway to not bring in a mature ruck. Not bringing anyone in would've been insane.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Without Edwards we have 2 proper rucks on our list. One is 33. It was a pretty massive vote of confidence in Conway to not bring in a mature ruck. Not bringing anyone in would've been insane.

I don't think anyone at Geelong would be considering giving Edwards a debut in the ruck in the next year or probably two no matter how bad the situation was. I just don't know what Edwards or the team would stand to gain

 

[Kobe Gryant]

For sure… but Blitz isn’t even a real ruck.

Edwards is 206cm tap ruckman.

It’s rare clubs play multiple true rucks let alone 206cm rucks.

It’s just not the norm but if they are good enough it could work.

Maybe we are forecasting 5 on the bench in the future and playing 2 true rucks will be more the norm in time.

Shallow draft plays a massive part too.

You take the kid who has the talent to be an All Australian ruckman over some middling player in a position of greater need.

Even if we where in dire need of a midfielder, you don't take a likely Jordan Murdoch over a potential Tim English just because you need a midfielder, or already have a highly rated young ruckman.

The quality of the player is always more important than the position, particularly when the draft is a lottery at the best of times.

Edwards was seen as a first round prospect by many all year, and was projected to go there on draft night too. It's really only Goad's late rise up the order that changed things, as he was the clear second to Read all year.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I don't think anyone at Geelong would be considering giving Edwards a debut in the ruck in the next year or probably two no matter how bad the situation was. I just don't know what Edwards or the team would stand to gain

In 2 years time you can assume we'll have no Stanley or Blicavs. At that point our ruck division would have been Conway plus some mature aged player we could bring in (Ceglar, Abbott, Fort type if we don't want to pony up for a decent player).

If you rate Edwards you'd much prefer him going into his 3rd season as a developing option than rely on cheap mature players if Conway goes down. It's not like we paid through the nose for him either.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I don't think anyone at Geelong would be considering giving Edwards a debut in the ruck in the next year or probably two no matter how bad the situation was. I just don't know what Edwards or the team would stand to gain

I'm not sure about that. He's arguably higher rated than Conway at the time of their drafts, and we where pretty keen to get Toby some games but his body failed him.

I highly doubt he'll be a permanent fixture, but he'll get some games in the next couple years at some point.

 

[Mr Meow]

So when's Murphy joining the club? Seems like a furphy to me...

#nothimthough
#sorryjoe

Brain fade and a half there...my bad Edwards.

 

[Turbocat]

North delisted their senior players end of 2016. That's an eternity ago with no real development.

They have cleaned out their list and paid the cost no doubt... but they no have the kids from that pain. Im not advocating doing that but it does now see them as a potential "new" Melbourne at some stage.

 

[Turbocat]

I’ve been wanting to bring up the recruitment of Edwards for a couple of days now (just been thinking about it in my head) so maybe now is a good time to do so and some switched on minds here can give their thoughts.

I just wonder why we actually recruited him… as in why and for what particular reason and what do we think it will look like if both Edwards and Conway both look the goods in a few years.

Are they slightly unsure about Conway?

Do we just rate Edwards so highly that we took him with our second selection even though we have a young Conway coming through. He was just too good not to take kinda style.

Do we think Edwards could maybe play key position or be like a hopefully better Mason Cox.

Do we think that one of them should at least make it and have us covered in the ruck for 10+ years.

Did we not love anyone else in the draft and thought we’d get the guys we wanted anyway even if we took Edwards prior… and I mean Mannagh and Stevens… the other late picks we’re probably no danger of not getting to us.

Assuming Stanley retires do we still need to pick up a cheap mature ruck because Edwards won’t be ready next year and we will only have Neale as a backup, but we probably want him at FF next year… There’s not much ruck cover at all if we don’t.

If both Edwards looks the good but can’t get in the team over Conway does it just turn into an English/Jordan Sweet situation where Edwards is good enough to play but can’t get a foot in so he gets traded away on the cheap after we invest a second rounder on him and a few years of development.

I just find it odd that we have taken two young rucks very close to each other with picks that suggest that we really like them as future #1 rucks.

Time will tell, it’ll be years before we get a result either way.

I think maybe I wanted that Cooper Simpson kid Freo took and I felt like grabbing another young ruck was less of a requirement seeing we have Conway.

Hopefully both rucks are very very good… but even if they are, that might not even work unless Edwards can play forward pretty to a decent level.

Just been thinking about it of late as we get excited about all the other kids we took last draft and I’m happy for others to let me know their thoughts.

Im very happy to take Edwards and let the fates decided who becomes our future ruck.

No one can be absolutely certain that one player will become , especially in a contact position like ruck, and especially if we have seen a degree of early non robustness. Conway becomes our ruck then great. His shape is a bit like Darcy and that might see him become a lumbering type but very influential. He might also be like many of our rucks in the past who struggled to be bulletproof week in week out.

Do we have enough coverage.? When tehy brought in Furphy it was reported that he was to be that being mid 20's and would take less development. Id like to see what he offers thru the VFL before committing to getting in another mature ruck.

I liked Edwards as a player from much earlier in the year ..and to me there is a bit of a Grundy affect about the way he dropped as he was rated higher but then slipped as a lot of talls do. He is probably more like the rucks we like in his mobility.Can both him and Conway play in the same team ..a team with Neale and COS and SDek? Probably unlikely. The good thing is a player like him probably will take time and will probably hold his value as a trade if Conway becomes the player... and Id be lying if I didnt say wondered if a small factor is WA player like him might be valuable if ever we needed to arrange a future trade with a WA team.

 

[Turbocat]

Mitchell Edwards takes a good contested grab and is a reliable kick.
Maybe they see him as a ruck who could also be a forward option.

Lets face it , its hard if not impossible to replace Hawk with like for like... but we are assembling a good group or medium small forwards. If you can have two rucks that can play roles forward then its one possibility. Melb probably thought that with Grundy and Gawn. It probably just depends on the players and those around them.

 

[Turbocat]

I don't think anyone at Geelong would be considering giving Edwards a debut in the ruck in the next year or probably two no matter how bad the situation was. I just don't know what Edwards or the team would stand to gain

I have a bias towards adding a player like him and just seeing have it plays out .Id say you are correct that they would probably be pencilling in at least a year in the VFL ..and a year in the weights room and a year building his tank so that he is not just thrown in the deep end. In that year they will see how he progresses. Id say a timeline like Neale is not unrealistic .. so it might be years 3 or 4 etc.. but it might also be that like SDek by year 2 he is ready to play a roll. Imo, to have options in development is a good thing

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Shallow draft plays a massive part too.

You take the kid who has the talent to be an All Australian ruckman over some middling player in a position of greater need.

Even if we where in dire need of a midfielder, you don't take a likely Jordan Murdoch over a potential Tim English just because you need a midfielder, or already have a highly rated young ruckman.

The quality of the player is always more important than the position, particularly when the draft is a lottery at the best of times.

Edwards was seen as a first round prospect by many all year, and was projected to go there on draft night too. It's really only Goad's late rise up the order that changed things, as he was the clear second to Read all year.

I wouldn't have minded McAuliffe, Simpson, or Hastie at that pick, though history may show me to be silly.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I'm not sure about that. He's arguably higher rated than Conway at the time of their drafts, and we where pretty keen to get Toby some games but his body failed him.

I highly doubt he'll be a permanent fixture, but he'll get some games in the next couple years at some point.

Sure he's highly rated, but he's not got the frame and I doubt he'll has be built it enough in 2 years. Sending him into the seniors to get smashed won't help us or his development.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

They have cleaned out their list and paid the cost no doubt... but they no have the kids from that pain. Im not advocating doing that but it does now see them as a potential "new" Melbourne at some stage.

I don't know, they now have a midfield and have lucked into Larkey as a forward. They now need to build a backline. Still feels years away.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Lets face it , its hard if not impossible to replace Hawk with like for like... but we are assembling a good group or medium small forwards. If you can have two rucks that can play roles forward then its one possibility. Melb probably thought that with Grundy and Gawn. It probably just depends on the players and those around them.

For that to work Mitch needs to be a forward on his own merit. If ruck is going to be one of Conway or Edwards second position then they need to be good at their first.

 

[year of the cat]

Did we still retain a pick for the mid season draft? Can’t recall.

 

[BORIS332]

I’ve been wanting to bring up the recruitment of Edwards for a couple of days now (just been thinking about it in my head) so maybe now is a good time to do so and some switched on minds here can give their thoughts.

I just wonder why we actually recruited him… as in why and for what particular reason and what do we think it will look like if both Edwards and Conway both look the goods in a few years.

Are they slightly unsure about Conway?

Do we just rate Edwards so highly that we took him with our second selection even though we have a young Conway coming through. He was just too good not to take kinda style.

Do we think Edwards could maybe play key position or be like a hopefully better Mason Cox.

Do we think that one of them should at least make it and have us covered in the ruck for 10+ years.

Did we not love anyone else in the draft and thought we’d get the guys we wanted anyway even if we took Edwards prior… and I mean Mannagh and Stevens… the other late picks we’re probably no danger of not getting to us.

Assuming Stanley retires do we still need to pick up a cheap mature ruck because Edwards won’t be ready next year and we will only have Neale as a backup, but we probably want him at FF next year… There’s not much ruck cover at all if we don’t.

If both Edwards looks the good but can’t get in the team over Conway does it just turn into an English/Jordan Sweet situation where Edwards is good enough to play but can’t get a foot in so he gets traded away on the cheap after we invest a second rounder on him and a few years of development.

I just find it odd that we have taken two young rucks very close to each other with picks that suggest that we really like them as future #1 rucks.

Time will tell, it’ll be years before we get a result either way.

I think maybe I wanted that Cooper Simpson kid Freo took and I felt like grabbing another young ruck was less of a requirement seeing we have Conway.

Hopefully both rucks are very very good… but even if they are, that might not even work unless Edwards can play forward pretty to a decent level.

Just been thinking about it of late as we get excited about all the other kids we took last draft and I’m happy for others to let me know their thoughts.

He’s 206cm with good skills, great ruck craft and an intense competitive streak. That’s not an easy combination to find.

 

[BORIS332]

Shallow draft plays a massive part too.

You take the kid who has the talent to be an All Australian ruckman over some middling player in a position of greater need.

Even if we where in dire need of a midfielder, you don't take a likely Jordan Murdoch over a potential Tim English just because you need a midfielder, or already have a highly rated young ruckman.

The quality of the player is always more important than the position, particularly when the draft is a lottery at the best of times.

Edwards was seen as a first round prospect by many all year, and was projected to go there on draft night too. It's really only Goad's late rise up the order that changed things, as he was the clear second to Read all year.

Agree with all of this, and worded much better than me.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Did we still retain a pick for the mid season draft? Can’t recall.

We did not

 

[Pure_Ownage]

For sure… but Blitz isn’t even a real ruck.

Edwards is 206cm tap ruckman.

It’s rare clubs play multiple true rucks let alone 206cm rucks.

It’s just not the norm but if they are good enough it could work.

Maybe we are forecasting 5 on the bench in the future and playing 2 true rucks will be more the norm in time.

I wouldnt overthink this one. Edwards was merely best available at that point where the draft talent was tapering off..freo or wce would have taken him in the next few picks so it made sense to jump in where we did.

Stanley blitz hawkins will be gone in 1-2 years (as will probably be kolo) and cameron is the wrong side of 30. neale and conway arent sure things yet to even make it.

Plus 2024 is a mids draft so it made sense to take talls with our first 2 picks in 2023. Talls tend to hold their trade value more than surplus talls (look at teams clamouring over spuds like sav) so id rather have one too many talls than not enough.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Did we still retain a pick for the mid season draft? Can’t recall.

No but every chance we get an LTI before then.

 

[BennyGan]

I’ve been wanting to bring up the recruitment of Edwards for a couple of days now (just been thinking about it in my head) so maybe now is a good time to do so and some switched on minds here can give their thoughts.

I just wonder why we actually recruited him… as in why and for what particular reason and what do we think it will look like if both Edwards and Conway both look the goods in a few years.

Are they slightly unsure about Conway?

Do we just rate Edwards so highly that we took him with our second selection even though we have a young Conway coming through. He was just too good not to take kinda style.

Do we think Edwards could maybe play key position or be like a hopefully better Mason Cox.

Do we think that one of them should at least make it and have us covered in the ruck for 10+ years.

Did we not love anyone else in the draft and thought we’d get the guys we wanted anyway even if we took Edwards prior… and I mean Mannagh and Stevens… the other late picks we’re probably no danger of not getting to us.

Assuming Stanley retires do we still need to pick up a cheap mature ruck because Edwards won’t be ready next year and we will only have Neale as a backup, but we probably want him at FF next year… There’s not much ruck cover at all if we don’t.

If both Edwards looks the good but can’t get in the team over Conway does it just turn into an English/Jordan Sweet situation where Edwards is good enough to play but can’t get a foot in so he gets traded away on the cheap after we invest a second rounder on him and a few years of development.

I just find it odd that we have taken two young rucks very close to each other with picks that suggest that we really like them as future #1 rucks.

Time will tell, it’ll be years before we get a result either way.

I think maybe I wanted that Cooper Simpson kid Freo took and I felt like grabbing another young ruck was less of a requirement seeing we have Conway.

Hopefully both rucks are very very good… but even if they are, that might not even work unless Edwards can play forward pretty to a decent level.

Just been thinking about it of late as we get excited about all the other kids we took last draft and I’m happy for others to let me know their thoughts.

Don’t think you can ever have too many rucks. They also mustn’t of valued the other guys available at that pick. Good trade bait for when Harley decides he wants to come to the team he grew up supporting too

 

[goyoucatters]

Brain fade and a half there...my bad Edwards.

That's quite a cool band name, if you ever decide to give the music industry a shot.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Well I’m happy I posted about the Edwards drafting.

It got a bit of traction and some good points were made.

No doubt he was “best available” in our mind.

I just wish I could of been a fly on the wall during the conversations about him.