Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

[CatRiot]

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#15 Ben Rongdit

A name for Cats fans to track closely as he is tied to the club as a Next Generation Academy prospect for 2025. Rongdit’s ceiling might be as high as his leap – and that’s saying something. The Geelong Next Generation Academy prospect soared into the sky on numerous occasions, including a third quarter hanger, taking three intercept marks and putting on three spoils. His ability to follow up at ground level after competing in the air is rare in a player his size, also laying five tackles for the match. The Colac product scored 109 rankings points but his impact was as big as any Geelong Grammar player.

What is the NGA rules now for drafting? We can only match after pick 40 or something like that?

 

[CatRiot]

I wish we bit the bullet and took Darcy Wilson in some sort of live trading around Pick 18... Looks an absolute running jet with good finishing.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I wish we bit the bullet and took Darcy Wilson in some sort of live trading around Pick 18... Looks an absolute running jet with good finishing.

Yeah the Aints down well snagging him at that selection.

I doubt they'd have traded it for less than an F1 on draft night.

It was probably a similar kind of deal to the Holmes one If they would have entertained it.

 

[D BRIDGE]

What is the NGA rules now for drafting? We can only match after pick 40 or something like that?

I don't love this NGA stuff... I understand what it is for, though.

It makes me want the player to be good, but not that good, and if they are possibly very good, it makes me want them to be warehoused (which isn't happening) or get injured early in the season so we might still have a chance to get them.

 

[iameviljez]

My only true concern (but it's a big one) with Smith is him not being able to get his power running back after an ACL.

This is a serious, serious issue (and also whether he could re-injure the same ACL).

I can't think of a single footballer who came back "the same" after a serious knee injury of any sort, or, that said, a broken leg or ankle. David Spriggs comes to mind; better than Ling, Chappy, Corey and Enright in his first two years, did his knee at Lorne, and was a shadow of his former self from there.

 

[D BRIDGE]

This is a serious, serious issue (and also whether he could re-injure the same ACL).

I can't think of a single footballer who came back "the same" after a serious knee injury of any sort, or, that said, a broken leg or ankle. David Spriggs comes to mind; better than Ling, Chappy, Corey and Enright in his first two years, did his knee at Lorne, and was a shadow of his former self from there.

Petracca did his knee either just before the draft or just after... Can't remember exactly when but it was in year 1 for him.

In saying that... If the evidence shows that if a high % of players that injure their ACL either (a) rarely get back to peak form or (b) Have a much higher % to do another ACL, then it should lower Smith's trade value by a good amount.

The knee is my biggest concern with Smith and I assume (I might be wrong) that It won't be ready to fully test before the trade period.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

This is a serious, serious issue (and also whether he could re-injure the same ACL).

I can't think of a single footballer who came back "the same" after a serious knee injury of any sort, or, that said, a broken leg or ankle. David Spriggs comes to mind; better than Ling, Chappy, Corey and Enright in his first two years, did his knee at Lorne, and was a shadow of his former self from there.

James Sicily
Max Gawn
Steve Johnson
James Kelly
Tom Liberatore
Robbie Gray
Nat Fyfe
Christian Petracca
Taylor Walker
Lenny Hayes
Shaun Burgoyne

 

[iameviljez]

James Sicily
Max Gawn
Steve Johnson
James Kelly
Tom Liberatore
Robbie Gray
Nat Fyfe
Christian Petracca
Taylor Walker
Lenny Hayes
Shaun Burgoyne

SJ wasn't that serious an injury; Kelly was never the same player again.

Kudos on Gawn and Sicily.

 

[Del216647]

Smith cares too much about his public persona and image. What better way to increase your clout than by going to the biggest club in the land Collingwood.

Agreed. He has Collingwood written all over him doesn't he...I supect that's where he will end up.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

SJ wasn't that serious an injury; Kelly was never the same player again.

Kudos on Gawn and Sicily.

I'd argue it was more serious than an ACL.

He broke both ankles and there was speculation he'd never run again. Car crash sort of stuff.

One of the major reasons he didn't end up at Collingwood was the injury. They thought even if they could get it right, they would 2-3 years out of him at a maximum.

 

[small 4wards]

It sounds like Stengle is staying the main issue of negotiation just being the length of the deal. It reads like he and his manager want security in terms of being locked in for a stretch of 4-5 years rather than a 1-3 year deal

 

[iameviljez]

I'd argue it was more serious than an ACL.

He broke both ankles and there was speculation he'd never run again. Car crash sort of stuff.

One of the major reasons he didn't end up at Collingwood was the injury. They thought even if they could get it right, they would 2-3 years out of him at a maximum.

**** I forgot about that. I stand corrected. Well done

 

[D BRIDGE]

SJ wasn't that serious an injury; Kelly was never the same player again.

Kudos on Gawn and Sicily.

Those guys don't matter in regards to Smith to me because they were not ACL's.

Petracca did his ACL and got back his power.

That is the hope I'd have for Smith.

Even a guy like Gawn doing his ACL (maybe even twice from memory) is a bit different because his game isn't built around being an explosive power runner like Smith and Petracca.

It is possible to come back through as Kobe has shown... Petracca is Smith's best comparison off the top of my head.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Those guys don't matter in regards to Smith to me because they were not ACL's.

Petracca did his ACL and got back his power.

That is the hope I'd have for Smith.

Even a guy like Gawn doing his ACL (maybe even twice from memory) is a bit different because his game isn't built around being an explosive power runner like Smith and Petracca.

It is possible to come back through as Kobe has shown... Petracca is Smith's best comparison off the top of my head.

Petracca & Gray would be the blueprint

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

This is a serious, serious issue (and also whether he could re-injure the same ACL).

I can't think of a single footballer who came back "the same" after a serious knee injury of any sort, or, that said, a broken leg or ankle. David Spriggs comes to mind; better than Ling, Chappy, Corey and Enright in his first two years, did his knee at Lorne, and was a shadow of his former self from there.

Wojcinski didn’t lose much of his pace after his ACL

 

[dazbroncos]

SJ wasn't that serious an injury; Kelly was never the same player again.

Kudos on Gawn and Sicily.

SJ destroyed his ankle jumping that fence to the point that the Pies knocked him back on failing the medical because of it.

Id say it was serious enough unless in conflating something here.

GO Catters

 

[Hamingja]

Those guys don't matter in regards to Smith to me because they were not ACL's.

Petracca did his ACL and got back his power.

That is the hope I'd have for Smith.

Even a guy like Gawn doing his ACL (maybe even twice from memory) is a bit different because his game isn't built around being an explosive power runner like Smith and Petracca.

It is possible to come back through as Kobe has shown... Petracca is Smith's best comparison off the top of my head.

Too much of a risk for me off an ACL with no footy post doing the injury.

The club might risk it though. They offered Curnow a big deal when he was out injured which would have been a steal in hindsight. Can't remember exactly his injury but he was out for a long time.

 

[Turbocat]

What is the NGA rules now for drafting? We can only match after pick 40 or something like that?

Currently t40 but it has been floated that it be reduced back to top20

 

[Turbocat]

I wish we bit the bullet and took Darcy Wilson in some sort of live trading around Pick 18... Looks an absolute running jet with good finishing.

No doubt he looks a ripper.... some of us liked him last year.. and would not have been unhappy to take him with our pick after trading back.
Perhaps a trade back again ..might have been do able or like you said a live trade... but you need a partner to dance.

In the end OSullivan looks good and imo..will be a regular form 2025 on. I will not knock the club to looking longterm either. To ensure we at least attempt to cover our tall needs is preferable than being desperate for a KPD to fall into our laps. Its why I think if I was North I might have tried to trade down with one pick and take OSullivan or Curtin and then take Caddy as well etc. The kids they took are good but every year has good mids.
Perhaps they look at the twins this year.. as they look a handy pair that might cover KPF and KPD.

 

[Turbocat]

I don't love this NGA stuff... I understand what it is for, though.

It makes me want the player to be good, but not that good, and if they are possibly very good, it makes me want them to be warehoused (which isn't happening) or get injured early in the season so we might still have a chance to get them.

I agree the rules are a bit Hairy Maclary. Who was born where and who their parents are. Too many of the NGA's are playing footy anyway.. is it really getting kids from non footy background. Guys like JUH mostly likely would have been playing.

If there really is a shortage of talent ..maybe they should be encouraging more teams with academies. Id be happy to have a Geelong Western districts Academy... and try and develop enough talent to let some flow onto other clubs. Apparently there is a looming shortage of indigenous talent. Why not give each team a two or three spot for ingenious signing like a Rookie B ... (Perhaps sal Cap excluded) to ensure there is at least 18 signings each year.

 

[Turbocat]

This is a serious, serious issue (and also whether he could re-injure the same ACL).

I can't think of a single footballer who came back "the same" after a serious knee injury of any sort, or, that said, a broken leg or ankle. David Spriggs comes to mind; better than Ling, Chappy, Corey and Enright in his first two years, did his knee at Lorne, and was a shadow of his former self from there.

Joel must be a heck of player before he did his knee in the 18's ... Some didn't want to draft him... so its a legit query that clubs would have. For players that rely on certain attributes , one would think it's critical that they get back close to their best. imo, all you can do is trust the club to do its job and risk assessment.

Sprigs is interesting . My memory of him is he was an endurance type. The best kid that came in was Kelly... thought he was outstanding early .and again probably was different after his leg to some degree.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

No doubt he looks a ripper.... some of us liked him last year.. and would not have been unhappy to take him with our pick after trading back.
Perhaps a trade back again ..might have been do able or like you said a live trade... but you need a partner to dance.

In the end OSullivan looks good and imo..will be a regular form 2025 on. I will not knock the club to looking longterm either. To ensure we at least attempt to cover our tall needs is preferable than being desperate for a KPD to fall into our laps. Its why I think if I was North I might have tried to trade down with one pick and take OSullivan or Curtin and then take Caddy as well etc. The kids they took are good but every year has good mids.
Perhaps they look at the twins this year.. as they look a handy pair that might cover KPF and KPD.

I was one of those Wilson fans that you mention, and he does look like quality.

With that being said, COS does too, and I wouldn't trade them for a second.

As you say, there's mids in every draft. A quality tall who can play forward or back at a high level while roaming all over the ground like COS is very hard to find.

Wilson, as good as he has been and I was on him early, always looked like a slightly less gifted Holmes for mine.

That's hardly a bad thing, and he'll still be a very good player...but we've got the better version of what he is with Max IMO.

It makes sense that we would prioritise other areas of the ground.

 

[year of the cat]

I was one of those Wilson fans that you mention, and he does look like quality.

With that being said, COS does too, and I wouldn't trade them for a second.

As you say, there's mids in every draft. A quality tall who can play forward or back at a high level while roaming all over the ground like COS is very hard to find.

Wilson, as good as he has been and I was on him early, always looked like a slightly less gifted Holmes for mine.

That's hardly a bad thing, and he'll still be a very good player...but we've got the better version of what he is with Max IMO.

It makes sense that we would prioritise other areas of the ground.

See what you mean, but with us now playing Holmes on a HBF, having two wingman in Dempsey and Wilson would have been pretty exciting for the future.

Like you though, wouldn’t swap him for O’Sullivan. But I would have traded our FF for him in retrospect now we are 7-1!

 

[Turbocat]

I was one of those Wilson fans that you mention, and he does look like quality.

With that being said, COS does too, and I wouldn't trade them for a second.

As you say, there's mids in every draft. A quality tall who can play forward or back at a high level while roaming all over the ground like COS is very hard to find.

Wilson, as good as he has been and I was on him early, always looked like a slightly less gifted Holmes for mine.

That's hardly a bad thing, and he'll still be a very good player...but we've got the better version of what he is with Max IMO.

It makes sense that we would prioritise other areas of the ground.

Id think we could have another couple of Max types no issue... but the chance to add a tall we liked is just too good to go past. Only time will tell if we pulled the right lever. So far COS looks a very good prospect for ten years in D

 

[FootyLad0]

Id think we could have another couple of Max types no issue... but the chance to add a tall we liked is just too good to go past. Only time will tell if we pulled the right lever. So far COS looks a very good prospect for ten years in D

I wouldn't change anything we did, Clarky is still building but he's going to be a major ball winner and COS will be a soon key lockdown back tag team partner with SDK just like May and Lever.