Going Forward (The Future)

[Kirkswan]

Respectfully, and in my opinion... Trading Tippet??? Surely you jest...

He was/is an AA Ruck/Forward until round 12 when he did his hamstring behind the knee. He came back in round 20 without the benefit of being eased in through the reserves. That's 8 rounds with out the benefit of match practice or fitness. You all know that the big men take time to reach full fitness, there was only ever a small chance he would have time to reach this level again before the GF, but then his jaw was broken for him... He played on, stood up for us... how much fun do you think it might have been playing with a broken jaw??

You don't trade out an AA level player unless they are past it, and he is 29 and has life in him yet... you don't trade out ruck/forwards either, not even for Fyfe... cause if Naismith got injured and we had no Tippet, then our ruck pair is Nankervis and Sinclaire... is that really what you want??? Do you really think this is going to bring us a flag next year?? Or any year???

As for Parker, he injured his knee at the end of the Prelim and played through it... you call him a choker, not a big game player... really??? Where have you been all season? He had a knee injury earlier during the season and played through it, came back to form and played on. You say he only ever plays well in the H&A, and I think perhaps you might need to have your eyes checked! You need to win 15-16 of the H&A games to make the finals, then you need to win three more to make the GF... and Parker is one of the reasons we were able to do this. If you doubt this, then go back and have a look at a few of the hard tight game we played... and if you think he 'choked' then go back and watch that GF again, because he fought to the death...

Parker is a gun and a warrior, perhaps not to Kennedy's level yet, but I have no doubt that he will be in the future baring injury...

We need both these boys moving forward, to talk of trading them is madness!

(Rant over, getting back in my box)

 

[Tuco]

Tippo had 17 HO and took only one mark in the fwd 50.

He hasn't looked very mobile since returning from that hammy. That was his problem.

He was there to give some assistance as a marking forward. But I don't think his failure was all his fault.

You need repeat entries that are deep and well directed to favour him in the forwardline. I don't remember us kicking to him more than a couple of times all day. We just kept pumping it to Buddy 1 on 3 - probably because Buddy was at least prepared to move around and present.

In fact I think the only mark Tippo took within 50 of goal was more of a pressured, release kick for territory down the line that he pulled in and made it look good?

Calls to trade him are an overreaction.

 

[cinderella man]

All the ******* clichés

Not Enough Contributors, Loss will Spur Us , Blah Blah ******* Blah !

Well here's a ******* cliché for You !

Luke Parker is a Home & Way Season Footballer.

End of ******* Story.

 

[Tedeski]

Ps, all this Fyfe talk is getting me hot and bothered. Seriously???

Now IF this has any truth to it, would Freo be better off trading him now, rather than waiting another year and getting zip for him as a free agent? Or does compensation still exist?

Can't trade him if he is contracted in 2017 & has already chosen the club he wants to go to in 2018 as a free agent.
He already knows where he is going, if he is going. That's how FA works.

 

[Tedeski]

There is no chance he will end up at the Swans and there is no way I would want 2 by 1mill ion plus per year players on our list.

Byt anyway, If Freo knew he was gone, they would Shop him around. It would take an unbelievable trade to get it done.

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He won't be on that money at our club. He either wants p'ship chance or money. If it's maximum money then he goes elsewhere.
This speculation is all based on a 'winning' relationship he had with Kirk!

 

[doona]

He won't be on that money at our club. He either wants p'ship chance or money. If it's maximum money then he goes elsewhere.
This speculation is all based on a 'winning' relationship he had with Kirk!

Which I think a lot of players have good relationships with coaches and assistant coaches.

The Fyfe talk in my opinion is out of the realm of possibility. I could be proven wrong, but I highly doubt it.

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[Tedeski]

All the ******* clichés

Not Enough Contributors, Loss will Spur Us , Blah Blah ******* Blah !

Well here's a ******* cliché for You !

Luke Parker is a Home & Way Season Footballer.

End of ******* Story.

No!
Home & Away & first 3 Weeks Of The Finals When Not Injured Footballer!
When he has a debilitating knee injury he is just an ordinary footballer!
Until he can learn to dominate a game on one leg, then we trade him!

 

[Tuco]

Not buying into any Fyfe talk.

That said, he has a number of reasons to consider us.

1. He has bought into the honest feedback leadership model we use. And his teammates haven't handled it well - hence the leaks about his relationship with other players.

2. We are a best practice club for LTI injury management. And our player welfare is second to to none (we didn't even blink when Buddy and Goodes needed to step away even with finals on the line).

Freo played him with an unhealed broken leg.

3. Kirk and he apparently get along.

4. He's on record as saying the players he admired are JPK and Parker.

5. We're a young team with a future and well out of the limelight he cops in WA.

6. He's already a millionaire. Money may not be a driver for him. And he's young enough for us to look after him in later years.

There.

Now back to reality.

 

[Grongey]

...The Fyfe talk in my opinion is out of the realm of possibility. I could be proven wrong, but I highly doubt it..

Agree Fyfe wouldn't leave the West, other than for a huge offer that we couldn't afford.

But Tippett is taking up a lot of salary cap space in comparison to his actual output. Frankly the team has played just as well with Naismith and Nankervis in the ruck.

With the benefit of hindsight, both Harrison Marsh and Toby Nankervis were hard done by to miss the GF.

I'd totally move Kurt on in exchange for a speedy and/or big bodied midfielder like Fyfe or a similar type. We can't expect Josh Kennedy to keep shouldering the load inside, or Daniel Hanneberry to keep being hammered when on the outside.

 

[Tedeski]

Not buying into any Fyfe talk.

That said, he has a number of reasons to consider us.

1. He has bought into the honest feedback leadership model we use. And his teammates haven't handled it well - hence the leaks about his relationship with other players.

2. We are a best practice club for LTI injury management. And our player welfare is second to to none (we didn't even blink when Buddy and Goodes needed to step away even with finals on the line).

Freo played him with an unhealed broken leg.

3. Kirk and he apparently get along.

4. He's on record as saying the players he admired are JPK and Parker.

5. We're a young team with a future and well out of the limelight he cops in WA.

6. He's already a millionaire. Money may not be a driver for him. And he's young enough for us to look after him in later years.

There.

Now back to reality.

Reality is he is not happy, tick, he loves Kirk, tick, he wants to play with a club with great culture, tick!

Now back to speculation!

 

[Grongey]

Reality is he is not happy, tick, he loves Kirk, tick, he wants to play with a club with great culture, tick!

Now back to speculation!

A Fyfe for Tippett straight swap would be fine by me. And I live in hope of a T.Mitchell for L.Breust swap as well.

 

[Kirkswan]

Not buying into any Fyfe talk.

That said, he has a number of reasons to consider us.

1. He has bought into the honest feedback leadership model we use. And his teammates haven't handled it well - hence the leaks about his relationship with other players.

2. We are a best practice club for LTI injury management. And our player welfare is second to to none (we didn't even blink when Buddy and Goodes needed to step away even with finals on the line).

Freo played him with an unhealed broken leg.

3. Kirk and he apparently get along.

4. He's on record as saying the players he admired are JPK and Parker.

5. We're a young team with a future and well out of the limelight he cops in WA.

6. He's already a millionaire. Money may not be a driver for him. And he's young enough for us to look after him in later years.

There.

Now back to reality.

Okay, that all makes sense to me... my understanding is that he is not available until 2018, so it's not really relevant for this years trades. A couple of issues that I have are he has stated that he is a country boy, and there is no city in Australia that is less 'country-like' than Sydney; and secondly he has stated that his family is really important to him, and they would be a very long way away. Much as I would like him, I just don't think that we, or really anyone, are on his list...

 

[bungwahl]

The Fyfe talk is dribble. We'd have to lose good players in order to take him, and it'd be putting even more of our cap in too few players.

 

[YorshireSwan]

He shouldn't have played mid season (around the Gold Coast game he looked lame) because he was injured. Need to rest occasionally because when you need him in the last quarter he was spent from playing. Plus his knee was stuffed from the preliminary final.

Worst call would to be hang onto everyone who has undelivered in big games in the hope that they come good in a final eventually.

An even worse call would be to lose someone who's form throughout the H&A was probably the reason we had a shot at glory by making the big dance.
I'm one of his harshest critics for his performances in the last 2 GF's, but to say we move him on because he didn't perform in those 2 games is one of the most ridiculous notions I have ever heard.

 

[Day_night_honourer]

Yeah, let's move on the Brownlow runner up and potential future captain (after Joey retires)! Brilliant!
Our all-Australian midfield are a huge part of this years tilt to get that cup (we missed out on by a few goals) & LP is a major cog in it .. and still in his prime, well hasn't even hit it yet! Crazy talk!

I think having plans B & C which many have mentioned already should be #1 in moving forward If we are to have any chance against the Braves, GWSs, etc next year.

Plus work on those high pressure, game on the line, last quarters ...staying cool & not losing their bundle from the intensity ..our biggest bug-bear of the season.

 

[cinderella man]

No!
Home & Away & first 3 Weeks Of The Finals When Not Injured Footballer!
When he has a debilitating knee injury he is just an ordinary footballer!
Until he can learn to dominate a game on one leg, then we trade him!

Not once have I said trade him. Until Longmire comes out and says he was injured or any other individual then to me it is a weak as piss excuse. Somebody mentioned culture before, what ******* culture ?
Like a friend said to me Saturday night, Swans culture walked right out the ******* door the minute Barry Hall did. You knock yourself out with all the positive excuse laden posts you want but i don't have to cop it. Yes Bulldogs are a good side, Yes they are well coached and Yes we were pasted by the AFL Employed umpires but the facts are we shit the Bed in another GF and while this group of Senior Leaders continue to accept that, deal with that and do something about that then you can get Fyffe, Dangerfield and reincarnate Tony ******* Lockett but your not winning another flag any time soon.

Oh and apart from Kennedy the rest of them can stick their ******* tears up their arse. The only ones who are entitled to shed tears are ******* supporters who put up with a ******* week of disrespect from an utter disgrace in those responsible for promoting the code and then being humiliated by the opposition and their hanger on supporters made up of mostly other club supporters when we run onto the ground with the raucous booing and then by the majority of our players who played the game.

Kennedy said we were to conservative with our ball movement ? Come on Josh don't sugarcoat it !
What you were really trying to say was when the Bulldogs were plying their trade and defending the ground with their lives none of our blokes were prepared to show any guts to find the work ethic to gut run from congestion and be an option to be given the ball. Again weak as piss effort from the majority. Blame the forward structure all you like and I don't like it but again a weak as piss excuse. Works when we are winning but when challenged always to blame.

 

[Leg End]

Not once have I said trade him. Until Longmire comes out and says he was injured or any other individual then to me it is a weak as piss excuse. Somebody mentioned culture before, what ******* culture ?
Like a friend said to me Saturday night, Swans culture walked right out the ******* door the minute Barry Hall did. You knock yourself out with all the positive excuse laden posts you want but i don't have to cop it. Yes Bulldogs are a good side, Yes they are well coached and Yes we were pasted by the AFL Employed umpires but the facts are we shit the Bed in another GF and while this group of Senior Leaders continue to accept that, deal with that and do something about that then you can get Fyffe, Dangerfield and reincarnate Tony ******* Lockett but your not winning another flag any time soon.

Oh and apart from Kennedy the rest of them can stick their ******* tears up their arse. The only ones who are entitled to shed tears are ******* supporters who put up with a ******* week of disrespect from an utter disgrace in those responsible for promoting the code and then being humiliated by the opposition and their hanger on supporters made up of mostly other club supporters when we run onto the ground with the raucous booing and then by the majority of our players who played the game.

Kennedy said we were to conservative with our ball movement ? Come on Josh don't sugarcoat it !
What you were really trying to say was when the Bulldogs were plying their trade and defending the ground with their lives none of our blokes were prepared to show any guts to find the work ethic to gut run from congestion and be an option to be given the ball. Again weak as piss effort from the majority. Blame the forward structure all you like and I don't like it but again a weak as piss excuse. Works when we are winning but when challenged always to blame.

Bullshit.
Umpiring delivered them at least 24-30 points.
Our team mounted a number of great comebacks - despite this - and got to within a point several times in the last quarter.

Do you think they're playing against witches' hats?
Bulldogs were relentless - despite the massive assistance from headquarters - and we still matched them almost all the way.

Horse and the players know we were cheated - but can't say so.

But questioning their effort and culture after a tough slog on Saturday is just bullshit.

 

[cinderella man]

Bullshit.
Umpiring delivered them at least 24-30 points.
Our team mounted a number of great comebacks - despite this - and got to within a point several times in the last quarter.

Do you think they're playing against witches' hats?
Bulldogs were relentless - despite the massive assistance from headquarters - and we still matched them almost all the way.

Horse and the players know we were cheated - but can't say so.

But questioning their effort and culture after a tough slog on Saturday is just bullshit.

Actions speak louder than excuses.

 

[cinderella man]

Longmire and the Club are quick enough to send you an email when they want your ******* money but where the **** are they when this happens ? Stick your media confrences and club website puff pieces up your arse. How about speaking to the rank and file day in day out till we die club members and console them with some take on things rather than contacting them the next time you want a ******* quid. Oh thats right leave it to dickheads like me and others on a bullshit footy forum to tear each other apart with bullshit only spoke out of anger and disappointment.

 

[Tedeski]

Not once have I said trade him. Until Longmire comes out and says he was injured or any other individual then to me it is a weak as piss excuse. Somebody mentioned culture before, what ******* culture ?
Like a friend said to me Saturday night, Swans culture walked right out the ******* door the minute Barry Hall did. You knock yourself out with all the positive excuse laden posts you want but i don't have to cop it. Yes Bulldogs are a good side, Yes they are well coached and Yes we were pasted by the AFL Employed umpires but the facts are we shit the Bed in another GF and while this group of Senior Leaders continue to accept that, deal with that and do something about that then you can get Fyffe, Dangerfield and reincarnate Tony ******* Lockett but your not winning another flag any time soon.

Oh and apart from Kennedy the rest of them can stick their ******* tears up their arse. The only ones who are entitled to shed tears are ******* supporters who put up with a ******* week of disrespect from an utter disgrace in those responsible for promoting the code and then being humiliated by the opposition and their hanger on supporters made up of mostly other club supporters when we run onto the ground with the raucous booing and then by the majority of our players who played the game.

Kennedy said we were to conservative with our ball movement ? Come on Josh don't sugarcoat it !
What you were really trying to say was when the Bulldogs were plying their trade and defending the ground with their lives none of our blokes were prepared to show any guts to find the work ethic to gut run from congestion and be an option to be given the ball. Again weak as piss effort from the majority. Blame the forward structure all you like and I don't like it but again a weak as piss excuse. Works when we are winning but when challenged always to blame.

BANG!
Just like that Cindi Man!
I appreciate your frustration mate. You know where we went wrong in that GF? We made it in the first place, when we had no right to. After blooding 7 or so players & having 8 or so players under 30 games of senior AFL footy, statistics will tell you we shouldn't have been top 4, let alone Minor Premiers.

They're not 'excuses' people don't want to hear but they are fact & how about we look at it as a positive going forward in that all these young blokes had 3 or 4 hard finals games pumped into their short careers. This will no doubt hold them in good stead should they be good enough to play in our 22 next time finals are around.
What hard decisions need to be made by our club? Gary Rohan needs to play reserves & dominate for 6 weeks minimum on end & earn his spot based on 6 or so weeks of hard, physical footy & work rate every minute of the game. He failed to become an aggressive attacking option in one of the most important games of his career & he has history. This is where you shine the spot light. DO NOT reward mediocrity in tough games.
Gaz will come back a better & harder senior player if made to earn it for half a season. Hell! It was good enough for Ted Richards prior to our p'ship year. He was gone Ted but went back to the twos for a significant period, never looking like coming back into the team.
Same for Malceski. He was gone as well if not for a late reprieve. These two blokes were instrumental in our 2012 Premiership.
Our club is great at developing players but we need to work on creating hunger in a lot more of our players. The reserves are there for a reason. Unfortunately it is not used as 'punishment' for poor form any more but rather just a stint so they can works on a few things only to see them back 2 weeks later.

Now I say a good stint is 8 weeks minimum, continuously doing the things required ALL of the time.
Pretty much like what Tom Mitchell had to go through & Mitch Morton to a lesser extent had to go through, even after kicking 70 odd goals. Again, Morton was instrumental in that 2012 P'ship!

Hunger is what need to be developed a little better in our team. Roos used to say we never gift a game to a young player just because they may have played a few good ones out of 6 in the reserves.
On another front Cindi Man, when the Hawks won their 2013 flag after losing the previous one, they basically had 20 of the 22 players that lost in 2012, go around for these last few years, adding Lake to strengthen them if anything, but he had to be pulled into line by their leaders a few times.
They had 90% of their list with the previous GF loss burning in the gut where as we only had about 60% with it burning. There is no way that our inexperienced young blokes would have that same burning desire to avenge the loss that those Hawks would have had.

They will have it now if they're to survive in this industry!

 

[miggs]

Tippo and Mitchell for Fyfe. Every day of the week

 

[bedford]

The Fyfe talk is dribble. We'd have to lose good players in order to take him, and it'd be putting even more of our cap in too few players.

How do you know its dribble, how did we get Buddy.

 

[bedford]

The 2 Macs to retire is a priority.

 

[The King!]

Tippo and Mitchell for Fyfe. Every day of the week

Freo would be getting ripped off

 

[The King!]

Feeling right now this club has pissed away premierships

Are the bulldogs a better side than us, hell no

what a friggen waste imo, maybe its just after finals bitterness, but whats with the attitude of some of these blokes, yeah ok i know they would be trying (well presume) but some of the pea hearts under heat

Ben Mcglynn wtf mate, all i hear is oh benny missed out, poor benny, watch him bounce back, well where are you mate? did he put his head over the ball

All good and well to be desperate v richmond round 23, woopie doo

Gary Rohan, geez he better not go for a walk at night, he would shrink into nothing if a car put its high beam on, cant handle the spotlight

Glad parker did runner up in the brownlow, sure he was a bit sore, but same shit as 2014 from this superstar,

Reputations are made during the year, but they are really cemented or broken in grand finals

kennedy is an all time great blood imo based on what he gives us, others shouldnt even look him in the face


Despite some of this pissweak efforts the only thing worse is that cheating corrupt umpiring, we actually would of been dragged home by JPK otherwise


Going forward how about we develop a forward structure

won a flag 2012, since then Reid 5 years, Tippett 6, Buddy 9 and we still dont have firepower on the big day