Gold Coast given 4 top 20 picks over the next 3 drafts

[Americanpies]

Realistically this only has a huge impact on Melbourne because of how good 1 and 2 are as compared to everyone else. Melbourne have a good list so it's probably the best year for the AFL to do something like this. Every other team just shuffles one more spot down in an otherwise very even first round.

Sure it's unfair, but I don't see how it's worse than the fixturing, or the fact that 5 Melbourne teams can go into every season knowing that the GF is guaranteed to be at their home ground if that make it that far; at which they play 14+ times per season. The AFL isn't a fair comp, it's all about the money. We already knew that.

I'm all for having the Grand Final at Metricon. Would be fantastic, don't you think?

 

[Crankyhawk]

The righteous indignation is hilarious. Please everyone, have a look at the list of priority picks over the last twenty years or so, and the teams that received them. Different rules throughout different periods but some very good teams have gone to the well multiple times.

So, do yourself a favour, look it up and then pull the door to your glasshouse tightly closed.

Your club didn’t exist when round 1 PP were a thing. So not sure the example is relevant when talking GC

 

[Proper Gander]

Melbourne and St Kilda have been rubbish for ever and they keep getting handouts.

Why not the Suns?

Because you haven’t been rubbish forever. Only the truly rubbish for ever should get handouts. We earned our rubbish forever titles over decades of hard effort into being rubbish.

 

[Americanpies]

I'm not the one in a frenzy over this.


No, don't care. The rules here are different, and none of what you've said has been even remotely proven in the AFL.


Correct, so don't whine about these concessions. Once the Gold Coast start contending, no more concessions will be required and they'll have a strong market.


Yeah, all those picks the AFL gave GWS didn't help them contend at all. It's not like they made the Grand Final thanks to players like Taranto, Hopper, Greene, who they drafted, it was because of guys like Kevin Sheedy, Chad Cornes, Luke Power. And who can forget the brilliant senior acquisitions like Deledio and Griffen?

Both trading and drafting are important. These draft picks will 100% help the Gold Coast establish themselves, and yes, both Rowell and Anderson are big favorites to stay there for at least 5-6 years, at which point they may well be contenders. Again, people like you forget this, but GC looked damn good in 2014; it was only when Ablett busted his shoulder they fizzled out, missing the 8, which lead to a sequence of bad events.

Firstly - The AFL is modelling literally their entire system on American Sports. Whatever happens in American sports, happens in AFL 5 - 10 years later. You should educate yourself on how things work with free agency these days over there, and you can get a glimpse of the future of the AFL.

Second.. The draft picks did not help GWS at all. GWS are actually straight up trash. They beat Brisbane thanks to Brisbane not being able to kick straight.. Brisbane dominated the game and Brisbane actually lost the game, as opposed to GWS winning it. And against Collingwood.. they beat us fair and square.. we were rubbish for 2 quarters, but the rain helped them. Take away the rain, Pies win by 30+. They were lucky to make the grand final, and they were not the 2nd best team of the year, hence the 90 point loss. This current GWS team will not win a premiership.

Third.. Can't see anyone staying there. Won't happen. Free agency they'll get back to where they want to be, and it won't be on the Gold Coast.

 

[Crankyhawk]

What? Again?

Didn’t you guys just learn what happens when you do that?

Fair call but perhaps the other clubs are trying to teach the afl that this will keep happening even if GC get the whole of the first round to pick..

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Can't see how priority picks help with player retention.

It won't. They need to look at player management within the club. I think if they get that right things can improve.

Strengthening them at the same time will help.

It doesn't help other struggling clubs that they receive what looks like a mini draft.

 

[tunksy]

Lol you're in that lovely space I call the "winning" zone. Where everything is pretty right with the world and you can appreciate things without stressing about the little dramas as a great peace and tranquility floods through your body after getting the flag. Congrats on the win. Hopefully eagles fans will be chill AF come this time next year

Wasn't in that space when gws and gold coast entered the comp and Richmond was finishing bottom 4 yet not getting the picks we needed to 'rebuild' a list 'worse that Fitzroy'.

I'm ok with the afl finally giving assistance to a team that's getting nowhere on field. The suns need to be successful if this competition is to grow.

The picks and rookie spaces are only part of the solution. What I hope they continue to look at is developing their culture and finding ways to make the kids want to stay and commit. The draft concessions just give them more chances to find someone likely to stay.

I hope they use the rookie list to bring some older players across to provide depth experience and to grow training standards.

 

[NoobPie]

Firstly - The AFL is modelling literally their entire system on American Sports. Whatever happens in American sports, happens in AFL 5 - 10 years later. You should educate yourself on how things work with free agency these days over there, and you can get a glimpse of the future of the AFL.

Second.. The draft picks did not help GWS at all. GWS are actually straight up trash. They beat Brisbane thanks to Brisbane not being able to kick straight.. Brisbane dominated the game and Brisbane actually lost the game, as opposed to GWS winning it. And against Collingwood.. they beat us fair and square.. we were rubbish for 2 quarters, but the rain helped them. Take away the rain, Pies win by 30+. They were lucky to make the grand final, and they were not the 2nd best team of the year, hence the 90 point loss. This current GWS team will not win a premiership.

Third.. Can't see anyone staying there. Won't happen. Free agency they'll get back to where they want to be, and it won't be on the Gold Coast.

I think you are massively over-simplifying things. The AFL has drawn a lot from NFL particularly in the development of its draft and salary cap systems. It is hardly "literally their entire system". In terms of free agency, the AFL would be happier if it didn't exist at all. It exists because of the demands of the AFLPA

Free agency is still constrained in the AFL.

The Giants are a fantastic team that had a stinker in the GF. Winning a semi and a prelim on the road is a remarkable achievement in and of itself

 

[NoobPie]

It won't. They need to look at player management within the club. I think if they get that right things can improve.

Strengthening them at the same time will help.

It doesn't help other struggling clubs that they receive what looks like a mini draft.

But there aren't really any other struggling clubs at the moment. This was the perfect opportunity for the AFL to intervene how they have

 

[Iason]

Hi guys, what'd I miss?

 

[Sassermon]

Hi guys, what'd I miss?

not much. everythings pretty chill

 

[Blackas87]

It’s to try and build a foundation. They don’t have a foundation at the moment because they are stuck in a doom loop of: 1) poor on-field performance 2) lack of members (hope for fans) 3) inability to attract/retain sponsors 4) players leaving for rival clubs due to lack of success - which leads back to 1).

They were able to successfully argue for this assistance on the basis that it would help them retain players and inject the club with a sense of hope.

I don’t get how giving them picks is going to help them retain players? They already have had 8 top 10 picks in the last 3 drafts, why aren’t those guys seen as the foundation pieces? They have a young list, of course they weren’t going to win many games this year, blind Freddy could see that at the start of the season, was it a shock to people they finished last? but they already had the foundation pieces on their list. They finish last they get the top pick to go with those guys.

They’re an expansion club that has been rushed into a tough environment and the AFL and their initial administration cocked up a lot of things to do with their inception. They haven’t been within a bull’s roar of finals and if the AFL continues to be Laissez Faire about it, they will end up like the almost completely uncompetitive 1993 Swans and need further assistance.
Most clubs who have been perennially s**t have received draft assistance at the very least from the AFL at one point or another. The AFL is essentially a welfare state competition.

The Suns were on track to make the 8 in 2014, were 8th on the ladder after round 16 when Gary Ablett went down with a season ending injury. They finished 10 wins 12 losses, 2 games outside the 8. They then sacked their coach. To say the AFL cocked up their inception is just wrong, this club was on the verge of finals in their 4th season and heading in the right direction. The club themselves changed their own direction.

They have a young talented list and all they need is the right people in place (coaches, leadership) guiding these guys up the ladder.

I don’t see why they need all these draft concessions. They are no different to any other club.

 

[harmesy 37]

There are only two words needed for this decision:

Discrimination
Socialism

Socialism always ends with playing favourites against the others. It erodes confidence in any system, economic/sporting or whatever...


so if Carlton (which has as bad a record as GC over last 5 yrs) loses to GC next year with the GC number 2 pick kicking the winning goal do you think Carlton supporters will think “yeah, that is fair. I want to invest even more of my time watching Carlton lose to teams whilst the AFL helps the team Carlton lost to.”
Unlikely.

I have about 5% interest in game remaining. Elastic support is what the AFL is banking on. They think Carlton supporters will keep investing no matter what.

How many teams does the AFL have to invest in “for the good of the game”? that lie is wearing thin. Hawthorn got Tasmania, teams got extra funds thru “equalisation”, COLA Sydney, draft GWS, Brisbane draft concessions, on it goes..

It isn’t “good for the game” to erode confidence in the fairness of the comp... but all they see is the money pot. Socialism is a disaster wherever it is put in place.

I am sure they don’t think handouts to favoured clubs is socialism, but you watch & learn. Disaster. Carlton is a disaster, but GC must come first “for the good of the game”.

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

Some people have short memories, despite all the success your club has had over the last 30 years your club was happy to take Jarryd Roughead with a priority pick in 2004.
You also received Ellis as a priority pick in 2005.

The Gold Coast need assistance and deserve priority picks.

They don't deserve priority picks just because teams in the past have been given undeserved priority picks.. priority picks are stupid AF..

 

[brutus76]

Take the 2 kids 1&2 and try to sign em long term 5+ years if possible
Ellis more than handy.
Maybe add a few vets cheaply like Masten, Daisy Thomas, Zaharakis, Birchall, Schoenmakers for leadership
Then send their 2019 pick 20 and two 1sts of 2020 for both Crouch's and give em both 5 years

 

[Scotty_222]

The pick was still a priority pick, it was just traded

Really......
Sad just like the Suns rose coloured glasses.

Well that was awkward..

 

[Billy ray]

Hopefully the AFL will allow for more GA seats at Metricon- so people can just rock up and pay their $25 like melbournians can to watch footy.
Charging WA and SA prices to attend footy is nuts up here.

Hard to get a casual fan to attend if they have to pay $50+

 

[Gavin Excell]

If the Lance Uppercut hypothesis is correct (refer the now closed thread - “Hawthorn success an accident of history”) then Tigers likely to be big winners of 4 years of compromised drafts

 

[Gavin Excell]

Hopefully the AFL will allow for more GA seats at Metricon- so people can just rock up and pay their $25 like melbournians can to watch footy.
Charging WA and SA prices to attend footy is nuts up here.

Hard to get a casual fan to attend if they have to pay $50+

That is absurd

 

[NoobPie]

There are only two words needed for this decision:

Discrimination
Socialism

Socialism always ends with playing favourites against the others. It erodes confidence in any system, economic/sporting or whatever...


so if Carlton (which has as bad a record as GC over last 5 yrs) loses to GC next year with the GC number 2 pick kicking the winning goal do you think Carlton supporters will think “yeah, that is fair. I want to invest even more of my time watching Carlton lose to teams whilst the AFL helps the team Carlton lost to.”
Unlikely.

I have about 5% interest in game remaining. Elastic support is what the AFL is banking on. They think Carlton supporters will keep investing no matter what.

How many teams does the AFL have to invest in “for the good of the game”? that lie is wearing thin. Hawthorn got Tasmania, teams got extra funds thru “equalisation”, COLA Sydney, draft GWS, Brisbane draft concessions, on it goes..

It isn’t “good for the game” to erode confidence in the fairness of the comp... but all they see is the money pot. Socialism is a disaster wherever it is put in place.

I am sure they don’t think handouts to favoured clubs is socialism, but you watch & learn. Disaster. Carlton is a disaster, but GC must come first “for the good of the game”.

1. Make utterly ridiculous analogy to political / economic system

2. Make conclusion based on said ridiculius analogy

 

[Billy ray]

That is absurd

There are so many things that people are not aware of up here as all they know is what the shockjocks on melbourne radio say and the small snippets in any newspapers.

 

[Headless]

Unders IMO. Personally would have given Australia as their zone.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

They don't deserve priority picks just because teams in the past have been given undeserved priority picks.. priority picks are stupid AF..

The problem is there is so much about the AFL that is “stupid AF” we will always have an uneven playing field and therefore stuff like this needs to be done. Also when clubs are recruiting 17-18 year olds the draft system is far too difficult to rebuild through by having a simple system

 

[NoobPie]

If the Lance Uppercut hypothesis is correct (refer the now closed thread - “Hawthorn success an accident of history”) then Tigers likely to be big winners of 4 years of compromised drafts

Don't know what his thesis is but it's a silly one if it focuses on the creation of the expansion clubs

Hawthorn used their dip down the bottom and the old priority pick system very very well. They used the trade and early free agency system very very well

Richmond and west coast were bottom 2 in 2010

 

[Taylor]

The righteous indignation is hilarious. Please everyone, have a look at the list of priority picks over the last twenty years or so, and the teams that received them. Different rules throughout different periods but some very good teams have gone to the well multiple times.

So, do yourself a favour, look it up and then pull the door to your glasshouse tightly closed.

This is a really good point. But not what you think.

Priority picks give advantages long after they were supposed to give a boost to. Take a look at the list of priority picks. Each one of them is a player that team wouldn't have on their list without the extra AFL help and they stay there for years. Darling, Shuey, Rance, Kruezer, etc

I don't think the benefit of a priority pick for immediate improvement is shown to be a real thing at all, but the players staying on the list absolutely represent an advantage when that team gets better.

It's not like those players are required to be traded for nothing after five years.