Greyhound Thread

[Oaksnaf]

2009 STATISTICS - BENDIGO
Percentage of The Watchdog's first selections that win:
430m - 30.92%
545m - 37.93%
700m - 25.00%

Percentage of favourites that win:
No. of favourites that win - 41.20%
No. of 2nd favourites that win - 18.51%
No. of 3rd favourites that win - 12.26%
No. with longest odds that win - 1.15%
Position of winners at first section:

Winners leading at first section - 49.41%
Winners 2nd at first section - 22.01%
Winners 3rd at first section - 11.94%
Winners 4th or worse at first section - 16.64%

As we can see with greyhound racing it is important to have an idea of the run to the first section. Why? Well 8 into 1 doesn't really go, so normally you are going to see interferance for at least 2-3 runners before the first corner. Sometimes you can see 6 dogs come to trouble, leaving the leader 8+ lengths out in front.

So since there is a lot of trouble at the first bend, we want to find a greyhound that is going to lead (mainly looking at 300m-550m).

What you have to realise, that is some tracks the boxes are on the bend. Which gives certain boxes an advantage. Coupled that with a fast beginner and your half-way to picking a winner.



SIMPLE guide to look for.

Watchdog average speed to first split. Look at the top 3. Then look at their recent form in terms of early speed. Did they lead? What box? How much interferance?

Your local TAB may have surepick print-outs. Ask for them. They do their own first splits, so their data is different to the watchdog. Take the fastest from the sure-pick and have it as a selection.

This is a runner that you MUST include in your selections. No matter what the form says in terms of results and times. Because you see some winners run 26.40s at Ballarat at $13.00..... more than likely they led and there was trouble behind.

So if your new to greyhound racing. Easiest way to do the form. Is solely concentrate on early speed and boxes.

 

[carn tigez]

Thanks for the advice mate.

Where do you get the form, or where is the best place to look for greyhound form?

 

[Oaksnaf]

Thanks for the advice mate.

Where do you get the form, or where is the best place to look for greyhound form?

For Victoria/South Australia your one stop shop is:

www.thewatchdog.com.au


They have a wide range of form-guides for different sort of punters.
They also have video replays. But most of them lack sound. And you have to look at the results to know which race the greyhound previously raced in.... would be nice if they showed that in the form-guide.

Surepick meetings can be downloaded for South Australia events from the grsa. Surepick have a team of data recorders who simply watch replays and note all the happenings in the race. That is then formulated by a computer for each greyhound to try and predict a TRUE race. Which is a race without incidents.

You can view their website:

https://www.surepick.com.au/

http://www.grsa.com.au/

For a simple guide to MOST meetings:

www.thetote.com.au

NSW have a great website that is FREE to sign-up too.

www.thedogs.com.au

QLD

http://www.graq.org.au/

I personally don't like the Queensland form and prefer to use other means..... like TAB DFS and www.thetote.com.au for those meetings. But then again I rarely punt on Queensland altogether.

WA Have a fantastic website and have plenty of interesting previews/reviews done about their meetings.

http://www.greyhoundswa.com.au/

The only disappointing thing about their form-guides is that they don't show the ACTUAL time the greyhound ran. They give the winners time of the race and the distance behind the winner.


I also buy the weekly NGF magazine that sometimes has little bits and pieces of information in the form that others don't.

 

[Oaksnaf]

Here are some AVERAGE winning times for the meetings and grades that are happening this week from thewatchdog. Might help to get use to what times are good and bad.

Shep:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

390m Grade 5 22.44
390m Maiden 22.65
390m Maiden Final 22.38
390m Mixed 4/5 22.25
450m Grade 5 25.59
450m Maiden 25.86​

450m Mixed 4/5 25.45

Geelong:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

347m Grade 5 No Penalty 19.99
457m Grade 5 No Penalty 26.09
457m Maiden Heat 26.23​

600m Grade 5 No Penalty 34.96

Cranbourne:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

311m Free For All 17.89
311m Grade 5 17.98
311m Mixed 4/5 17.96
520m Grade 5 Heat 30.68
520m Maiden 30.95​

699m Mixed 4/5 42.25

Horsham:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

410m Grade 5 23.56
410m Mixed 4/5 23.42
480m Grade 5 Heat 27.44​

570m Maiden Heat 33.12

Warragul:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

424m Grade 5 24.37
424m Maiden 24.49
424m Mixed 3/4 24.20
424m Mixed 4/5 24.26​

424m S/E Final 24.02

Ballarat:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

450m Grade 5 25.58
450m Maiden Final 25.60
450m Maiden Heat 25.77
450m Mixed 4/5 25.43
550m Grade 5 31.67
550m Mixed 4/5 31.46​

650m Mixed 4/5 38.13

Sandown:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

515m Grade 5 No Penalty 30.22​

515m Maiden Heat 30.28

Warrnambool:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

390m Free For All 22.24
390m Maiden Heat 22.55
450m Grade 5 Heat 25.68​

450m Mixed 3/4 25.31

Bendigo:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

430m Free For All 24.26
430m Grade 5 24.36
430m Grade 5 Quali Final 24.49
430m Maiden Quali Final 24.52
430m Mixed 4/5 24.33
430m S/E Veteran 24.20
545m Grade 5 Final 31.10​

700m Grade 5 40.29

Traralgon:

Distance Grade Avg. Time​

298m Grade 5 17.17
298m Special Event Heat 17.06
513m Grade 5 Heat 30.17
513m Mixed 3/4 30.14
513m S/E Group 2 29.46​

513m Special Event 29.87

 

[carn tigez]

Thanks heaps for that, I'll definitely use them

 

[Cruiser23]

3 from 4 today so far (Gawler/Devonport)

Up $40.

 

[rizzo]

In There

 

[dr nick]

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finally rewarded with an inside box and also looks like he'd do well with longer runs

 

[rizzo]

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finally rewarded with an inside box and also looks like he'd do well with longer runs

 

[carn tigez]

In There

Hey mate, I'm looking into buying a greyhound with a few mates. We're pretty new to this sort of thing though, and I had a look around but couldn't find much clear info on these areas:

How much is it for a half decent one?
How much would entry fees be for races?
How much prizemoney do you receive?
And how much roughly does it cost for upkeep, all expenses except for entry fees and buying it?

Thanks for your (or anyone who knows stuff about it) help.

 

[rizzo]

Hey mate, I'm looking into buying a greyhound with a few mates. We're pretty new to this sort of thing though, and I had a look around but couldn't find much clear info on these areas:

How much is it for a half decent one?
How much would entry fees be for races?
How much prizemoney do you receive?
And how much roughly does it cost for upkeep, all expenses except for entry fees and buying it?

Thanks for your (or anyone who knows stuff about it) help.

Hey mate,

check out Rob's website (he is a poster here and is the one who has syndicated all the hounds I own).

www.winningglory.net

He is a great fella and really trustworthy and knows his stuff.

The best part with how Rob does it is that it includes all costs. Generally he gets a training deal with the trainers so you don't even need to fork out a monthly training fee

Check his website out and I'm sure it will have u lured. After having my first winner yesterday my the smile on my face is just huge haha!

 

[carn tigez]

Thanks for that, I'll have a look later

 

[Oaksnaf]

It's wet tonight, so early leaders play an ever bigger part!!

 

[Oaksnaf]

Heartbreak make me a dancer, make my greyhounds run faster.

OK

Sandown tonight and the conditions are likely to be of the wet kind. With this in mind we are looking for early PINGERS and STRONG dogs.

WHY? Because in the wet it is hard to make ground and it is tougher on some dogs who are use to the easy dry conditions. Experience counts too.

DAY 26

SANDOWN
Race 1 #1-7-6-2
Race 2 #6-7-1-5
Race 3 #8-4-5-2
Race 4 #7-8-6-5
Race 5 #4-7-8-2
Race 6 #8-5-3-1
Race 7 #1-2-4-3
Race 8 #1-5-7-3
Race 9 #4-8-7-6
Race 10 #8-6-4-5
Race 11 #4-1-6-3

Exotics are the go!

Will get some nice odds tonight too. Plenty of muglings sitting at the pub enjoying a frothy and punting on the pups. Although, be weary of anything too short on the tote. It's wet, so you wouldn't want to be backing ANYTHING under $2.50.

Betfair should be good for laying favs tonight.

 

[bigbunyip14]

Heartbreak make me a dancer, make my greyhounds run faster.

OK

Sandown tonight and the conditions are likely to be of the wet kind. With this in mind we are looking for early PINGERS and STRONG dogs.

WHY? Because in the wet it is hard to make ground and it is tougher on some dogs who are use to the easy dry conditions. Experience counts too.

DAY 26

SANDOWN
Race 1 #1-7-6-2
Race 2 #6-7-1-5
Race 3 #8-4-5-2
Race 4 #7-8-6-5
Race 5 #4-7-8-2
Race 6 #8-5-3-1
Race 7 #1-2-4-3
Race 8 #1-5-7-3
Race 9 #4-8-7-6
Race 10 #8-6-4-5
Race 11 #4-1-6-3

Exotics are the go!

Will get some nice odds tonight too. Plenty of muglings sitting at the pub enjoying a frothy and punting on the pups. Although, be weary of anything too short on the tote. It's wet, so you wouldn't want to be backing ANYTHING under $2.50.

Betfair should be good for laying favs tonight.

badluck oaks. not one tri 2nite. but got a good roughie early on...

 

[Oaksnaf]

Not a good night for exotic punting!!!

 

[Oaksnaf]

Alright. Well after the last success of the early speed indicators between surepick and watchdog and my own analysis. We will have a look at the early leaders for Traralgon tonight.

Traralgon
Race 1 #1,8
Race 2 #1,5,6
Race 3 #2,4,6
Race 4 #1
Race 5 #1,2,3
Race 6 #6
Race 7 #1,5,7
Race 8 #1,5,8
Race 9 #1,2,7
Race 10 #1,2,8
Race 11 #1,4
Race 12 #1,5

Now since there are plenty of leading chances i most races, this is a good sign for exotic punting as we like open races. Increases the dividend.

I'd be taking Quins and Exacta's and running doubles/all-ups from those leading chances.

 

[Oaksnaf]

PAWS OF THUNDER

Cindeen Shelby @ $6.50
Take The Kitty @ $15.00
License To Dance @ $41.00

 

[Cruiser23]

On a good run with Geelong and The Gardens...

 

[Oaksnaf]

DAY 27

TRARALGON
Race 1 #1-8-4-6
Race 2 #5-1-6-8
Race 3 #3-4-2-7
Race 4 #1-4-7-6
Race 5 #3-5-1-2
Race 6 #6-1-4-2
Race 7 #5-6-1-7
Race 8 #5-6-8-1
Race 9 #8-7-2-1
Race 10 #1-3-2-5
Race 11 #4-6-1-3
Race 12 #6-5-1-2

 

[Oaksnaf]

Odds for tonights top picks

R1 $2.80
R2 $3.00
R3 $3.50
R4 $1.60
R5 $1.80
R6 $4.50
R7 $4.00
R8 $3.80
R9 $3.50
R10 $2.60
R11 $3.80
R12 $3.60

 

[Oaksnaf]

Well the final is up next. Plenty of speed in this race, might make it difficult for Turanza Bale, who typically likes the inside draw. Velocette though, gee I like those odds. Remo Rubik did run down Hannifys Impact at Wang Cup. And Geoff Mitchell was on, saying all good things.

Is a good betting race thus far.

Just hope we can snag the right result. Been doing ok tonight.

 

[Oaksnaf]

For the heats of the PAWS OF THUNDER tonight at Wentworth Park, I have some numbers to play around with. Bearing in mind though, I seem to do quite poorly at Wenty, so am moreso looking at the likely runners who will progess through the heats.

Wentworth Park (*odds are tab fixed odds for outright winner*)
Race 1 #3 Bananarama $17 // #4 Clark No Ee $26
Race 2 #1 Excel Like Time $13 // Gazmick Storm $15
Race 3 #4 Another Request $51 // Dyna Lachlan $11
Race 4 #1 Bluey Tadmore $61 // #4 Cosmic Rumble $15 // Galba Jack $31
Race 5 #6 Cindeen Shelby $6.50.... from #2 $11 #4 $51 #7 $21 (good race)
Race 6 #1 Aston Trivett $15 // #5 Take The Kitty $15
Race 7 #1 Hayder Bale $26 // #8 Vintage Octane $13
Race 9 #4 High Earner $8
Race 10 #2 License To Dance $41 // #4 After Party $31 // #5 Danny Phantom $26

Suggested Bets:

Race 1 #3,4 Quinella
Race 2 #1,6 Quinella
Race 3 #5 WIN #4 PLACE
Race 4 #4 WIN #8 PLACE
Race 5 #6 WIN #2,4,6,7 Quin/Tri/F4
Race 6 #1,5 Quinella
Race 7 #8 WIN #1 PLACE
Race 9 #4 WIN
Race 10 #2,4,5 Quinella/Trifecta #5 WIN

Quaddie: 6/1,5/1,8/F 100%
Quaddie: 2,4,7/1,5/1,8/F 30%

Take some running doubles they are nice and cheap.

And all-up bets of:

R1 #3 PLACE
R2 #1 PLACE
R3 #5 WIN/PLACE
R4 #4 PLACE
R5 #6 PLACE
R6 #1,5 PLACE
R7 #8 WIN/PLACE
R9 #4 WIN/PLACE
R10 #5 PLACE

I'm at a wedding with 450 people tonight!! So if anyone is watching the races can they give me any pointers. As I have to record it and won't be able to watch it till later next week.

 

[Oaksnaf]

What a night at Wentworth Park!!

Normally don't do that crash hot, but tonight, killed it.

Hope everyone else had similar luck in the punt.

 

[Oaksnaf]

For the heats of the PAWS OF THUNDER tonight at Wentworth Park, I have some numbers to play around with. Bearing in mind though, I seem to do quite poorly at Wenty, so am moreso looking at the likely runners who will progess through the heats.

Wentworth Park (*odds are tab fixed odds for outright winner*)
Race 1 #3 Bananarama $17 // #4 Clark No Ee $26
Race 2 #1 Excel Like Time $13 // Gazmick Storm $15
Race 3 #4 Another Request $51 // Dyna Lachlan $11
Race 4 #1 Bluey Tadmore $61 // #4 Cosmic Rumble $15 // Galba Jack $31
Race 5 #6 Cindeen Shelby $6.50.... from #2 $11 #4 $51 #7 $21 (good race)
Race 6 #1 Aston Trivett $15 // #5 Take The Kitty $15
Race 7 #1 Hayder Bale $26 // #8 Vintage Octane $13
Race 9 #4 High Earner $8
Race 10 #2 License To Dance $41 // #4 After Party $31 // #5 Danny Phantom $26

Suggested Bets:

Race 1 #3,4 Quinella #3 1st #4 2nd Quin $5.10
Race 2 #1,6 Quinella #1 1st #6 X
Race 3 #5 WIN #4 PLACE #5 1st $2.00 #4 X
Race 4 #4 WIN #8 PLACE #4 1st $2.50 #8 2nd $1.50 Quin $4.90
Race 5 #6 WIN #2,4,6,7 Quin/Tri/F4 #6 2nd Quin 6,7 $6.60
Race 6 #1,5 Quinella #1 X #5 1st
Race 7 #8 WIN #1 PLACE #8 X #1 1st $7.20/$1.80
Race 9 #4 WIN 1st $2.10
Race 10 #2,4,5 Quinella/Trifecta #5 WIN XXXX

Quaddie: 6/1,5/1,8/F 100% X
Quaddie: 2,4,7/1,5/1,8/F 30% 30% of $1054.00

Take some running doubles they are nice and cheap.

And all-up bets of:

R1 #3 PLACE $1.20
R2 #1 PLACE $1.20
R3 #5 WIN/PLACE $2.00/$1.40
R4 #4 PLACE $1.50
R5 #6 PLACE $1.10
R6 #1,5 PLACE #5 $1.10
R7 #8 WIN/PLACE XXX
R9 #4 WIN/PLACE $2.10/$1.40
R10 #5 PLACE XXX



I'm at a wedding with 450 people tonight!! So if anyone is watching the races can they give me any pointers. As I have to record it and won't be able to watch it till later next week.

The quaddie was an excellent result for a smalll investment. And that was without considering the form of Race 8, as only looked at the Paws Of Thunder. Amity Bale could have been taken one out in the quaddie too if you did the form, or even looked at the race.

Our all-up went as far as six legs. Not too bad.

Our running doubles went quite well.

R1-R2 $7.00
R2-R3 $3.30
R3-R4 $5.90
R4-R5 $20.20
R5-R6 $48.10
R6-R7 $27.90
R9-R10 XXX

I guess High Earner will be quite short now to take out Paws Of Thunder, but High Earner had the easiest of heats, and Cindeen Shelby had the hardest. Will have a look next week when the fields come out, as High Earner is likely to be unders now on the fixed odds. Dyan Lachlan will come in from $11 too. Still willing to risk Birthday Boy.