guys that aren't up to AFL level

[gungho]

All club lists have players of their ability and back stories. Give me something that’s unique to us and then you might have a case.

What is unique is not that they have been picked - like you have said all clubs have late round picks. The unique thing is they have been kept on the list, and then the absurd thing is that they are regularly played in the best 22.

 

[Scham]

What is unique is not that they have been picked - like you have said all clubs have late round picks. The unique thing is they have been kept on the list, and then the absurd thing is that they are regularly played in the best 22.

Ok, I’m with you now.

Leaving Colyer aside as everyone agrees that his contract was a major mistake, let’s look at the others.

Matera: has been reasonable up until this year so I don’t think there is case for us keeping him too long or even playing him this year. Having said that he shouldn’t play next week, but in all honesty we don’t have the replacements so that’s a list management issue. When all of the successful clubs were looking for smart speedy small forwards we were looking in other directions.

Schultz: his third year so again I don’t think that’s a mistake. Again, our recruitment and drafting decision to avoid clever, pacy small forwards is hurting us ensuring he gets a game.

Duman: I think he’s a very good player to have as depth and would currently rate him above O’Reilly and Watson so I see no issue here. He’s been deemed as not AFL level by our coaches and that’s fair enough but there was enough improvement from him to keep him on the list. No issue.

Bewley: Again, I think he’s decent depth and is only in his second year but definitely shouldn’t be playing most weeks. The issue here is that we got rid of Langdon and Hill without having replacements in the pipeline so therefore he gets a game. Poor list management again.

Banfield: Again good depth. He’s not playing so no issue for me and hasn’t been kept too long to this point.

 

[Joao]

Matera can definitely play as evidenced last year. Not a good pressure forward but knows where the sticks are.

Duman I am sure can play. Still young and developing but seen easily enough to think he will be AFL standard.

Schultz and Bewley I don't think are up to it. Schultz may have a little bit of scope but Bewley by all accounts works his ass off but still seems to play with no intensity.

Banners I am not sure. Looked really good in 2018 but has been shunted forward and I think that may be the end of him. I think is good midfield depth.

Also, to anyone that thinks playing blokes like this is just a Freo thing has rocks in their head. A quick trip to any other BF board will tell you quicksmart there is nothing unique about us.

 

[Dale147]

James Aish is easily in the best 22 but gee, he was missing for a long time last night, appeared in the last for a couple of possessions but you just can’t do that.

 

[Scham]

Perhaps Blakely needs to be added to your list gungho ?

He’s deemed to be not AFL standard and we’ve had him on the list for a long while. Where do you see him?

 

[Docker82]

Calling a player ‘Good depth’ doesn’t fill me with much confidence.

You need some good depth players but they should mostly be around the same level as your bottom six to the point where the rankings can change during the season. At the moment we’re just desperately want to get a look at Henry, Sturt, Acres etc so we can piss Colyer, Bewley and Schultz back to the reserves where they belong.

I’m a fan of genuine back up rucks and key position players but at the moment we have 7-8 smaller players we want to call depth. Teams with good list management and good lists always have one or two of these guys outside the side who are barely worse than the bottom six in the 22 before they start blooding youngsters or turning to ‘depth’ players. Injuries don’t help but we simply don’t.

 

[Joao]

Calling a player ‘Good depth’ doesn’t fill me with much confidence.

You need some good depth players but they should mostly be around the same level as your bottom six to the point where the rankings can change during the season. At the moment we’re just desperately want to get a look at Henry, Sturt, Acres etc so we can piss Colyer, Bewley and Schultz back to the reserves where they belong.

I’m a fan of genuine back up rucks and key position players but at the moment we have 7-8 smaller players we want to call depth. Teams with good list management and good lists always have one or two of these guys outside the side who are barely worse than the bottom six in the 22 before they start blooding youngsters or turning to ‘depth’ players. Injuries don’t help but we simply don’t.

You can't have genuinely good players sitting outside your 22 because they wont stay. They'll leave to play elsewhere.

That's why good depth is a thing. Not good enough to be guaranteed to play elsewhere but don't embarrass themselves when they do play.

 

[Shoeless Joe]

Expected but disappointed in the degree of negativity on here regarding our list

I think we have performed very well given we have just finished our third week of end to end away games. Had our chances against two of the form teams in the comp and think we would have won last night if Fyfe had not been injured ( loved his smother for the Walters goal and his great mark in defense late in the second)

To me this is a totally compromised season where wins are of little importance . Just get as many games as we can into Young , Serong (really like the look of him...cant remember Lauchie Neales first games were any more promising than his effort last night playing to a totally pansed ruck) , Henry , Fredericks (if up to it) , Sturt, Meek and maybe Pina

Agree a few need to be moved on.. I think the one I have been most disappointed in is Wilson. Can be very soft at times and hasnt done as much running , attacking as I remember from his earlier games at GWS. Maybe with Young's development her may be worth a try as a half forward?

Add Hamling , Pearce, Cox (depth), Henry ,Sturt, Acres ,Darcy, McCarthy & Switta (dept) and things are going ok

With a couple of quality draft picks next year I am excited in our future --just stay away from ordinary West Aussies wanting to come home to boost their super

 

[gungho]

Perhaps Blakely needs to be added to your list gungho ?

He’s deemed to be not AFL standard and we’ve had him on the list for a long while. Where do you see him?

Was developing really well and then went backwards. I don't think he will ever have elite disposal but there plenty of good AFL players in the midfield that are great extractors of the ball. I think play him midfield and tell him to hunt the football and be on the bottom of every pack. We actually really need him right now so I am a little bemused why he is not picked to be honest but there is obviously something the coaching staff is seeing that the rest of us are not.

 

[MadMundy]

Bewley, Schultz and Wilson I disagree with. Wilson is getting back slowly from injury. Bewley played well last night and Schultz continues to improve. The rest I agree on only just (except Colyer, a hard agree on that)

 

[Superkoops]

Colyer and Matera are cooked. Let them run around in the scratchies. No further comment.

Wilson is a good player. I rewatched some 2018/19 games and he was good. He is well under done and needs a lot more conditioning - so agree he needs to be dropped. I understand why he was left out of round 3 (at least until SHill’s late scratching).

Duman looked ok at times in round 2. Just needs to tidy up his decision making. For eg. a couple of very nice “sell the candy sidesteps” but then after doing the hard work to create space decided a check side helicopter type kick to the oppo was a good option. Needs better game awareness.

Bewley was good in rounds 1 and 2. Needs more intensity - let an average player just wander around and kick to King without any pressure. Needs to be dropped for that alone. If he works his way back to that early form then he deserves to stay. Schultz I need to see more of this year.

Not a lot to add re: Banfield. Just doesn’t do enough for me.

Interesting that Crowden didnt make the list.

 

[purplearmy]

Add Longmuir to the list.

I sense he’s out of his depth.

 

[Scham]

Crowden I have no issue with him being on our list either.

He’s a handyish player with good foot skills but I believe that he’s been, and is being used in the wrong position. I think he should be playing either as a small forward or a small defender - we’re desperate for both. Instead we’ve been hell bent on making him an inside midfielder since the day he walked into the club.

Bring him in to the side in Matera’s exact role and see what he can do. I think we’d be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Gameova_]

A quarter of the league isn't up to AFL level. Least not compared to the quality and skill level of footy I grew up with. Very mediocre league right now

 

[apuchar]

I sense he’s out of his depth.

I sense he has a long and short picture

 

[Bicco]

What is unique is not that they have been picked - like you have said all clubs have late round picks. The unique thing is they have been kept on the list, and then the absurd thing is that they are regularly played in the best 22.

The absurd thing IMO is we delist some like Brady Gray and pickup Schultz. Grey was passable but we delist after 30 games (or whatever) and pickup someone of no clear improvement who will need another 3 years to at least get to Grey's level. Nyhuis is the same. It's our list management of fringe players that is a problem. Yet we hold onto injured players forever.

 

[Channels]

You are kidding.

Bewley is top 3 in kicking skills for the club (with Mundy and Young).

You're trying to hold an Outside mid/wing held accountable for inside mids not winning the contested ball.

In the list of things to fix about the team/club, he wouldn't make the top 10.

 

[Carnthedockers]

What’s the go with the draft this year? Isn’t it supposed to be the most compromised draft ever? Stacks of academy players? Who’s the early number 1 pick fav?

 

[apuchar]

What’s the go with the draft this year? Isn’t it supposed to be the most compromised draft ever? Stacks of academy players? Who’s the early number 1 pick fav?

Ugle -Haggan, Will Phillips, Hollands, very early to say.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

What’s the go with the draft this year? Isn’t it supposed to be the most compromised draft ever? Stacks of academy players? Who’s the early number 1 pick fav?

JUH is the guy who gets talked up the most (Buddy 2.0 if you believe the hype), but is Bulldogs Academy. Don't think there's a favourite beyond that, from the little I've seen lurking draft threads.

 

[salim malik]

You are kidding.

Bewley is top 3 in kicking skills for the club (with Mundy and Young).

You're trying to hold an Outside mid/wing held accountable for inside mids not winning the contested ball.

In the list of things to fix about the team/club, he wouldn't make the top 10.

Even outside players need to put up a reasonable chase , try to achieve the occasional tackle.
Lot of players have been great kicks but not great at anything else.

 

[Docker82]

You can't have genuinely good players sitting outside your 22 because they wont stay. They'll leave to play elsewhere.

That's why good depth is a thing. Not good enough to be guaranteed to play elsewhere but don't embarrass themselves when they do play.

In small amounts depth players are a good thing. Having Griffin and Silvagni on our list was good list management when the side was playing good footy.

Most of Richmond’s depth players last year seemed to guys that weren’t depth players in 2017. The ones from 2017 had either become best 22 players or were traded/delisted by 2019.

At the moment we have about 10-12 players who are ‘depth’ level and that doesn’t include youngsters who may or may not be any good.

 

[Kram]

Back in the day I think ImperialPurple used to call this the dumbarse brigade.

 

[Joao]

In small amounts depth players are a good thing. Having Griffin and Silvagni on our list was good list management when the side was playing good footy.

Most of Richmond’s depth players last year seemed to guys that weren’t depth players in 2017. The ones from 2017 had either become best 22 players or were traded/delisted by 2019.

At the moment we have about 10-12 players who are ‘depth’ level and that doesn’t include youngsters who may or may not be any good.

Almost all of our depth are under 23, most are nowhere near their max level or will never be AFL standard and it is hard to tell them apart.

Richmond is not a good contrast, they are about 8 years ahead of where we are. Much easier to find depth around an established core. We are still trying to find half of our core.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

You can't have genuinely good players sitting outside your 22 because they wont stay. They'll leave to play elsewhere.

That's why good depth is a thing. Not good enough to be guaranteed to play elsewhere but don't embarrass themselves when they do play.

That’s a problem we would surely live to have!