Harvey Q & A

[Lach72]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/79042/default.aspx

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

''Get them all together and wound up, because if I put our best side up for you at the moment, it's actually quite exciting. And when we go to the draft at the end of the year we’re going to have that depth.''

I don't know about that Harvs, If it were true, it would mean we have had one of, if not the quickest re-build ever. 1 solid year of drafting (14 players) does not make a re-build.

 

[DizzyHB]

Very good interview.

 

[Stronzo]

Very good interview.

Agreed, I liked a lot of what he had to say.

 

[samseenee]

Agreed, I liked a lot of what he had to say.

Same here Stronz... Makes me feel good that Harvs may be with us beyond 2010....

 

[T-D-J]

It's still refreshing to hear a Freo coach talk about building a side with youth, and instilling a hate for losing.

Dyslexic Emo: I think he may be referring to the fact that we're not going into the draft with nothing this year, we've got a good handful of blokes from last year and he wants to build on that.

 

[Chops_a_must]

''Get them all together and wound up, because if I put our best side up for you at the moment, it's actually quite exciting. And when we go to the draft at the end of the year we’re going to have that depth.''

I don't know about that Harvs, If it were true, it would mean we have had one of, if not the quickest re-build ever. 1 solid year of drafting (14 players) does not make a re-build.

Mmmm.

The one thing that worries me about Harvey is that I think he might over rate a lot of our players.

If we don't make space for at least 6+ people from the draft and rookie list, I will be incredibly disappointed, and I think he will be in trouble.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Mmmm.

The one thing that worries me about Harvey is that I think he might over rate a lot of our players.

If we don't make space for at least 6+ people from the draft and rookie list, I will be incredibly disappointed, and I think he will be in trouble.

I think Harvey has been forced to play certain players more than he would have liked. Last season I don't think they could have delisted too many more than they did, otherwise the balance of youth and experience would have been terrible.

Next season Head, Gilmore, Murphy, Foster, Browne, Connelly, Drum and Bradley may struggle for games. I'm not sure who the other player you view should be removed are? I would even put forward a case of keeping Bradley, purely for cover, allowing Clarke more time to progress without the potential need for him to be the number 1 ruckman.

Campbell is another player that would be borderline at staying next season.

The depth in this years draft is a little thin, so a player like Foster may be better on your list and given another chance to stay fit. If it was not for the fact that the Gold Coast franchise was about to enter the competition, then Harvey's plans would be perfect. It is just unfortunate that this clean out did not start in his first year as coach, still better late than never.

As he stated, this is the FIRST time in the Dockers history that they've taken the youth policy and it is about time they started from the ground up.

 

[Chops_a_must]

The depth in this years draft is a little thin, so a player like Foster may be better on your list and given another chance to stay fit. If it was not for the fact that the Gold Coast franchise was about to enter the competition, then Harvey's plans would be perfect. It is just unfortunate that this clean out did not start in his first year as coach, still better late than never.

That was really the problem in the 07 draft as well. We've probably done well to get 2 AFL quality players out of that draft. WC went heavily into that draft, and it looks like the wrong draft to have done it.

I would have liked to have cut one more, and have taken a bottom age KPP, and have taken a slightly more mature pure mid. That would have helped us coming into this draft, which is going to be shallow again... and we need KPPs. Not ideal, but hey, not much you can do about it. I'm just of the opinion that the 08 draft was probably the deepest in recent memory, so although we did play it very well... it could have been utilised slightly differently.

 

[Moo]

It is just unfortunate that this clean out did not start in his first year as coach, still better late than never.

2007 was a pretty shallow draft - people keep looking at the quality of the list ....without a shadow of a doubt the depth of 2008 is superb.

Lets say we had cut another 2 players and said no to Mark Johnson - have a look at the names we had to pick from where we were in the draft?

So we use 55 on Kep (he was worth the punt) ...who the hell would we have taken at the time that would probably be anything other than an 18 year old version of Gilmore? OK we could have rolled the dice on some WAFL players - but hindsight is wonderful.

Flip it a year and the draft was huge and in this year we sliced a lot ...even Memories was only after 9 scalps and we got 14. OK again argue could of been 15 or 16 - but we did pretty bloddy well.

Harvey is the first coach since Drum did it for a year, to go to the draft and make very good decisions.

 

[Moo]

That was really the problem in the 07 draft as well. We've probably done well to get 2 AFL quality players out of that draft. WC went heavily into that draft, and it looks like the wrong draft to have done it.

Agree - plus WC topped up their rookie list too.

Breaks my heart as it does yours I am sure Chops

 

[Chops_a_must]

Agree - plus WC topped up their rookie list too.

Breaks my heart as it does yours I am sure Chops

Yep.

Shattered we don't have McNamara or Wilkes on the list. Shattered.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Yep.

Shattered we don't have McNamara or Wilkes on the list. Shattered.

or spanger, some guy was trying to coin the phrase "you've done yourself a spanger" everytime the dockers played the eagles and someone stuffed up (preseason), I saw that same guy at an east freo peel game, and he shouted out "you better be careful spanger, or you'll get dropped back to west coast"..... classic ... people give us shit for having some duds, west coast have more duds than us

 

[Moo]

Yep.

Shattered we don't have McNamara or Wilkes on the list. Shattered.

Add Masten to that ....you just can't afford to have a bad draft - we are still trying to get over the Collard draft.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Add Masten to that ....you just can't afford to have a bad draft - we are still trying to get over the Collard draft.

your dead right there, one bad draft and a couple of bad trades and your set back 5 years...... which is why i am so happy with the last couple of drafts, makes me feel like we are on the way to recovery from some poor earlier efforts by the club

 

[Moo]

your dead right there, one bad draft and a couple of bad trades and your set back 5 years...... which is why i am so happy with the last couple of drafts, makes me feel like we are on the way to recovery from some poor earlier efforts by the club

Kev - couldn't agree more

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Kev - couldn't agree more

lol

 

[Belnakor]

your dead right there, one bad draft and a couple of bad trades and your set back 5 years...... which is why i am so happy with the last couple of drafts, makes me feel like we are on the way to recovery from some poor earlier efforts by the club

one swallow does not a summer make.

We got lucky, the last 2007 draft seems to have been full of duds, and the jury is still out on 2008. We do appear to have kept the picks in the right years, but whether it was conscious or harvey thinking we could continue with the then current 2007 list who knows.

 

[samseenee]

Add Masten to that ....you just can't afford to have a bad draft - we are still trying to get over the Collard draft.

I am sick to death of hearing WC supports standing behind how great it was for them to draft Masten... Does my head in!

 

[Split Personality]

I am sick to death of hearing WC supports standing behind how great it was for them to draft Masten... Does my head in!

Absolutely.... a mate of mine kept going on about how he got 28 possessions the other week. When I asked him how many of them went to a WCE player he shut up.

Good article.... read quite a few positive articles lately. Times are changing.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Absolutely.... a mate of mine kept going on about how he got 28 possessions the other week. When I asked him how many of them went to a WCE player he shut up.

Good article.... read quite a few positive articles lately. Times are changing.

i always point out to my mates, that masten will be the next chad fletcher... not many of them like that comparrison i can tell you, but its pretty spot on i recon. he is a small bodied midfielder, with averag skills, who cant kick over a jam tin, worst first round pick since JON, who was the worst since Sampi...... i love it

 

[4n20]

i always point out to my mates, that masten will be the next chad fletcher... not many of them like that comparrison i can tell you, but its pretty spot on i recon. he is a small bodied midfielder, with averag skills, who cant kick over a jam tin, worst first round pick since JON, who was the worst since Sampi...... i love it

Byron Schammer???.

He was a first round pick 6 years ago and its really only been since last season...when players futures were on the line...that he has stepped up. But, he still remains a "small bodied midfielder, with averag skills, who cant kick over a jam tin".

Masten has shown enough to suggest he will be playing AFL for some time yet. I would have loved getting both Palmer and Masten in the Freo team in 2007. Im still waiting for several other of our fine draft choices to start living up to their promise..and they have had ample opportunity.

 

[theGav56]

I think Harvey has been forced to play certain players more than he would have liked. Last season I don't think they could have delisted too many more than they did, otherwise the balance of youth and experience would have been terrible.

His first season he could have delisted M Carr and MacManus, and not signed Johnson up, but he did not realise that what we actually needed was to begin rebuilding. He signed Murphy and Thornton for 2 year deals; 1 would have been plenty. He apparently wanted J Carr on a 2 year deal.

Lets say we had cut another 2 players and said no to Mark Johnson - have a look at the names we had to pick from where we were in the draft?

So we use 55 on Kep (he was worth the punt) ...who the hell would we have taken at the time that would probably be anything other than an 18 year old version of Gilmore? OK we could have rolled the dice on some WAFL players - but hindsight is wonderful.

I agree Bradley was worth it, and still is worth keeping, but there were other players available who would have been better value than Johnson's 6 game career. Notably, I don't think we would have taken a small forward with our 2nd pick this draft, and instead could have had a pure midfielder or KPP instead, and they are serious deficiencies for us. Small forward is neither here nor there for us at the moment and can be filled by a developing mid such as son-son.

Add Masten to that ....you just can't afford to have a bad draft - we are still trying to get over the Collard draft.

Collard was definitely poor drafting and we are suffering for it, but Drum at Pick 10 nd on the verge of delisting looks pretty damaging.

 

[Stronzo]

i always point out to my mates, that masten will be the next chad fletcher... not many of them like that comparrison i can tell you, but its pretty spot on i recon. he is a small bodied midfielder, with averag skills, who cant kick over a jam tin, worst first round pick since JON, who was the worst since Sampi...... i love it

No, he's the next Josh Wooden

 

[tcwaters]

Ohhh boys. Just admit you love us and come over to the dark side