Harvey - The Comedy Continues

[thylacine60]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25195544-19742,00.html


Blues used dirty tactics, claims Harvey

AAP | March 16, 2009 06:52pm

FREMANTLE coach Mark Harvey has accused Carlton of using dirty ruck tactics as the fallout from Saturday's spiteful AFL practice match in Bunbury continues.

Harvey was upset that 211cm tap specialist Aaron Sandilands was held down in ruck duels by the opposing Blues' ruckman while a third man came over the top to win the knock.

After carefully reviewing footage of the game, Harvey called for the 'third man up' tactic to be outlawed and will meet with umpires' boss Jeff Gieschen in Melbourne this week to nut out the matter.

"What we are finding is that a lot of the opposition's ploys, or the (ploy of the) opposition ruckman, is to hold Aaron down and have a plan for the third man up after that," Harvey said on Monday.

"So I'll be discussing it with Jeff to get some clarity on it throughout the cou rse of this week.

"I think it's something we need to discuss and clarify.

"What are ruckman for? They are obviously there to take the initial contest and let it decide itself after that.

I think we should take that (where only two ruckman can compete for the ball) right around the ground.

"I probably noticed it (holding the ruckman down so a third man can come over the top) more on the weekend.

"It's evolving. There's certainly a lot of it happening.

"There are a lot of rule changes that take place and a lot of things that we need to look at, this is possibly one of them."

Harvey's call came on the same day that Blues midfielder Nick Stevens was offered a one-match ban by the AFL match review panel for striking Fremantle youngster Nick Suban during the Dockers' 43-point win.

Simon Wiggins, who was reported for rough conduct after pinning Greg Broughton's arms in a tackle and slamming him into the ground, was cleared of any wrongdoing.

"Whether they were actually targeting us or not doesn't really faze me as a coach," Harvey said.

"I like to think that our younger players, it makes them grow up quicker, makes them understand what the big games are all about.

"I think what you saw is some of our senior players really look after our younger players."

Meanwhile, Harvey believes 22-year-old Broughton and 19-year-old Matt de Boer are capable of playing senior football this season after Fremantle elevated the rookies to their primary list.

"(We are) promoting two of our rookies because we don't have any veterans (on our list)," Harvey said.

"We look forward to those guys hopefully playing a role throughout the course of the year.

"We think they're physically prepared for AFL.

"They're both exciting young kids and they can actually put enough pressure on the senior listed players and you never know what happens throughout the year."

 

[Effes]

It's funny seeing someone like Harvey accuse others of going the bash

Let's not forget who the hypocrite played under...

A proud member of Sheedy's snipers

Then there's the hack he recruited out west...one of the dirtiest acts in years. Didn't that turn out well.

 

[Blue Dimension]

It's funny seeing someone like Harvey accuse others of going the bash

Let's not forget who the hypocrite played under...

A proud member of Sheedy's snipers

Then there's the hack he recruited out west...one of the dirtiest acts in years. Didn't that turn out well.

He's not angry about Carlton going in hard as he clearly states in that article. What he's dissatisfied with is the dirty tactics to hold Sandilands back. If the boys have indeed done this then I personally don't support it at all. Wouldn't be happy if it was happening to our boys in any game and I doubt our supporters would be either.

Changing the rules however, of the third man up is going too far imo. If the opposition is holding the ruckman back then the umpire needs to do his job correctly and pay a free kick to Sandilands. End of story.

 

[Effes]

He's not angry about Carlton going in hard as he clearly states in that article. What he's dissatisfied with is the dirty tactics to hold Sandilands back. If the boys have indeed done this then I personally don't support it at all. Wouldn't be happy if it was happening to our boys in any game and I doubt our supporters would be either.

Changing the rules of the third man up is going to far imo. If they're holding the ruckman back then the umpire needs to call it correctly and pay a free kick to Sandilands. End of story.

The umpires would have picked it up if it was holding? It's not like you can't see him.

Dirty tactics are Simon Taylor targetting Marc Murphy in the recent NAB Cup game.

 

[Blues_Man]

Lol Harvey is hilarious ..the moron has the brain the size of a pea and a heart to match.

His embarrassing performance on Fox last year was evidence of his lack of any semblance of intelligence ...i was actually feeling embarrassed for the poor bastard

 

[parrot]

Harvey's just having a massive sook again. The 3rd man up thing has been going on for years and years. It's just part of the game. If Sandilands was being illegally impeded or "held back" by his direct opponent, he'd get a free.

 

[Blues_Man]

He's not angry about Carlton going in hard .

read it again .

"Whether they were actually targeting us or not doesn't really faze me as a coach"

 

[Blue Dimension]

The umpires would have picked it up if it was holding? It's not like you can't see him.

Dirty tactics are Simon Taylor targetting Marc Murphy in the recent NAB Cup game.

There are times where the umpire is clearly not aware of all on goings on the field, i'm sure you've been witness to this many times before at an AFL game. Especially when there's plenty of players around the ball up contests around the ground, it can be difficult to adjudicate if the umpire is not paying attention to it, or positioning himself correctly around the contests.

read it again .

"Whether they were actually targeting us or not doesn't really faze me as a coach"

Yeah actually, unless i'm completely illiterate, he's not angry about Carlton going in hard, maybe you need to read it again?

 

[thylacine60]

There are times where the umpire is clearly not aware of all on goings on the field, i'm sure you've been witness to this many times before at an AFL game. Especially when there's plenty of players around the ball up contents around the ground, it can be difficult to adjudicate if the umpire is not paying attention to it, or positioning himself correctly around the contests.



Yeah actually, unless i'm completely illiterate, he's not angry about Carlton going in hard, maybe you need to read it again?

Luckily an aggrieved coach can pick up the indiscretions from 150 metres away.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Luckily an aggrieved coach can pick up the indiscretions from 150 metres away.

There was footage of the game which they reviewed. I wasn't there, but i highly doubt they're not going to make a big fuss out of something that didn't occur. The only thing in question is to the extent that it may have occurred and whether Harvey is overacting (which probably is the case in regards to asking for a rule change for the third man up).

Like i said, if they're holding Sandilands back in contests then the umpire needs to be making the correct call.

 

[grrofunger]

i was obviously watching a different game on saturday

i dont recall many third man up ruck contests at all

and the umpires were so bloody whistle happy they would have pinged us in a heartbeat if we were holding sandilands

half the time we left 2 unmanned dockers behind sandliands to get the tap such was our lack of pressure

i recall a few frees to sandilands but they looked more like frees for charging straight into him

i dont recall how there could have been much , if any holding happening at all

harvey has lost his mind

 

[Team Mo']

read it again .

"Whether they were actually targeting us or not doesn't really faze me as a coach"

Think you need to read it again unless my eye sight has gone with my old age...

 

[CarltonFan]

I just wanted to pop into this thread and post this;

and this;

thanks for the advice on 'dirty tactics' mark, we'll take it onboard mate

 

[blues4flag]

Again with the younger players. 2/3s of their team on the weekend was over 23, compared to our 1/3 or so.

Sounds like a whinge to me. The opposition find a way to counteract the influence of Sandilands to Fremantle's detriment and Harvey calls for a rule change. I doubt that our ruckmen were holding down Aaron - more likely ensuring to make body contact at the stoppages to allow a third man to come over the top. Of course, without seeing the footage you can't be sure, but the umpires tend to pay holding in the ruck contests when it's there.

 

[Juddrockz]

The umpires would have picked it up if it was holding? It's not like you can't see him.

Dirty tactics are Simon Taylor targetting Marc Murphy in the recent NAB Cup game.

And Taylor didnt even get sighted for it!!! I was right in front of this incident on the fence when it happened.Dog act

 

[Team Mo']

I don't see the 3rd man up as a 'dirty tactic.' If we can't beat him one on one then there's no more we can do the to jump over him.

Don't like the 'dib dobbing' tactics of Mark Harvey either.

 

[carlton 4ever]

just because freo has done it in the past does not give us the right to behave like that i am disgusted at stevens for striking and unsuspectiin 18 off the ball. just because we are follow the blues dosent mean thhat we can't be objectional once in a while

 

[thylacine60]

Ling should have gone. Clearly he had eyes only for Solomon's elbow. Disgraceful. Once more Freo gets screwed by the umps - any wonder Harvs is upset.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Think you need to read it again unless my eye sight has gone with my old age...

Maybe we're both losing our eyesight Mo'

 

[Sman-21]

Might wanna get your hands on a AFL rules DVD
Holding the ruckman down/away from the contest an then a 3rd player coming over the top is a new rule to be enforced this year.
If an umpire sees it they are supposed to pay the free kick

 

[Silvagnis]

Carlton might benefit from Harvey raising this issue when Warnock takes his place in the side and develops into our giant ruck.

Warnock should be 211 cms by the time he returns from injury.

One report said Warnock was 207 cms tall.

Carlton might end up thanking Harvey for drawing attention to this tactic.

Harvey is a rocket surgeon.

 

[thylacine60]

Might wanna get your hands on a AFL rules DVD
Holding the ruckman down/away from the contest an then a 3rd player coming over the top is a new rule to be enforced this year.
If an umpire sees it they are supposed to pay the free kick

So whinge to your superstar ex-coach and umpire's director, Jeff Felcher.

 

[Selggad]

You can see the Harvey's comments here and the tactics against Sandi.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/spo...-19742,00.html

Never mind the bit at the beginning about Stevens - it was stupid but I'm certainly not jumping up and down about it.

 

[parrot]

Next Harvey will be asking the AFL to provide a 1m exclusion zone around Sandilands.

 

[mediumsizered]

Might wanna get your hands on a AFL rules DVD
Holding the ruckman down/away from the contest an then a 3rd player coming over the top is a new rule to be enforced this year.
If an umpire sees it they are supposed to pay the free kick

Exactly. Of course if it is not happening it is a little hard for an umpire to see it. Recent history tells us umpires are keen to pay free kicks for ruck infringements, so it is hard to imagine them missing the opportunity on enough occasions to warrant an outcry from Harvey.

From having followed the game for 40 years I have learned that coaches make these statements, not necessarily because there is a problem, but more to put pressure on the umpires to start paying borderline free kicks when an opposition team is starting to gain an advantage by using a different, yet fair tactic.