Autopsy HB Returns, Dockers smashed v Richmond

[Dirty_banchez]

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Ross blaming the age of the group........

Yeah not buying it either, well at least the lack of effort can't be explained away by the number games played.

 

[free at last]

Our field kicking has to be the worst in the AFL.We need to seriously become so much better over the summer at field kicking.

Our mids so often when delivering the ball inside 50 under kick the ball too regularly,which results in the footy landing just at the feet of our leading forward,ends up as a chaos ball then.

 

[Deathly]

On a positive note, Hamling is an absolute beauty!

I'll be surprised if he doesn't win the best and fairest this year. Thought he was neck and neck with both Blakely and Walters but they've both missed a lot of games now. I don't think Fyfe has had as many consistent games as Hamling this season.

 

[Kapow!!!]

Yeah not buying it either, well at least the lack of effort can't be explained away by the number games played.

You've hit the nail on the head there. Regardless of the stats, it was the complete lack of urgency to match the Richmond intensity and willingness to be first to the ball after quarter time that was atrocious. That is the thing that has me most concerned: The sheer lack of pride in the bloody jumper.

I really miss Barlow

 

[sportsmaniac89]

For a quarter today, I stupidly dared to hope that we would put up a good show.

Bennell kicking 2 was a highlight.
Ballas was chasing a bit more than normal.
Pressure terrific.
Fyfe was a beast.

And then quarter-time came and we turned a 4 point lead into a 104 point loss.

I don't know what else I can add that hasn't already been said.

I am however finding it quite interesting that when I say things, I have people ripping me apart for it and ganging up on me but when others say something similar....oh yeah, you might have a point there. Love those double standards, I truly do.

What I do hope sincerely is that Steve Rosich was paying attention to that performance and the fans that were leaving the game in droves during the second half. If he was, he may just yet escape the pressure that surely needs to climb onto him.

 

[schnoods]

Lowest percentage in the league and the least points scored. Yet defensively we are close to mid range. Nothing has changed.

But without looking at our ladder position, we haven't progressed and a few extra wins this season were decided by a coin flip of luck with tremendous effort. I think we unearthed a few prospects and learnt where we stood with others.

Hope that grinding stone is spinning, we have a bit of axing to do on players, staff and strategies.

 

[gaskin]

Shit game but cheers to the Richmond supporter sitting in front of me providing plenty of entertainment and good banter throughout.

Umps were shit but that is way down the list of problems today.

No more Subi is the biggest positive out of the game.

Bring on next season and hopefully a full strength side for round 1.

 

[freoextra]

At least he plays with intensity and when the team is up and going he will be good.

Not sure we can play both Cox and Taberner. Teams are walking it out of our defence. Ballantyne's chasing has also really dropped off this season.



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It was a miserable day and Ballas didn't get the ball much but he was the only one in the forward line who chased at all today.

So I can't agree with you, rather, I would say it was pathetic how easy it was to walk out of our attack with the exception of Ballas.

 

[freoextra]

It shits me when fans clap off players after 100 point losses. I'm all for support, I stayed to the end today and have never left a poor loss early, but that doesn't mean I'll give them a clap for showing no effort or heart. In what other profession would you get applauded for flat out failure? I'm sorry if it seems harsh but I feel it sends a message of acceptance of mediocrity.

Yeah I made to the end and then bolted, I had seen enough and couldn't wait to get out of there!

 

[gaskin]

It shits me when fans clap off players after 100 point losses. I'm all for support, I stayed to the end today and have never left a poor loss early, but that doesn't mean I'll give them a clap for showing no effort or heart. In what other profession would you get applauded for flat out failure? I'm sorry if it seems harsh but I feel it sends a message of acceptance of mediocrity.

For me it was more a thanks for the effort over the season rather than today's performance.

 

[Mudd]

I was clapping to express the joy that I was feeling in that we won't have to watch them again for the rest of the year.

 

[scon]

R23.

 

[chrisdon16]

To Ross Lyon supporters: can you explain why you you still want him as your coach?

 

[Freomaniac]

Take away the Richmond and swans games for the last 2 weeks, Freo have been competitive. I am not going to throw my anger at my laptop on here, its a waste of time and energy. I will say this though. As bad as Freos worst has this year, w have 8 wins compared to 4 last year.

We have played some kids, wont deny that. We are in a 2nd year of a 4 or 5 year rebuild.

 

[Freomaniac]

To Ross Lyon supporters: can you explain why you you still want him as your coach?

you will mixed views on here. I hope you are not judging but by the last 2 games but by the last 21 games. Freo fans demanded Ross Lyon to play youth. He has done that. We have blooded 7 debutants. Darcy is 202 cm and 112 kg. yeah he is a ruckman, Sandis replacement. Brennan Cox is 193 cm and 90 kg. He plays the Harry Taylor Role. Or the Essendon equivalent Cale Hooker Rotating Centre half Forward/ Centre half back. logue can be anything. Nyhuis, ryan, DeLuca and balic all got 3-5 games each.

Still need to find that elusive key forward or Ruck/forward.

 

[go_the_dockers]

What is our percentage with put Sandilands??

I am guessing about 50. We are 6 wins 4 losses team with him, but a 1 win 11 losses without him.

 

[Fat Nyfe]

I fear Nyhuis is the next JVB, will play one decent game in an inglorious career

Kinda felt that way on the day too but didn't want to be a party pooper

 

[imperial_oz]

Consecutive 100 point losses. Has this happened to us before? I wouldn't have thought so. This season has swung from acceptable due to rebuilding, to not acceptable.

The list still needs overhauling and we're doing that to our credit. But the coaching group seriously needs to be looked at because we constantly repeat the same mistakes

Just depressing how totally shit we've become

No. We set a new record in AFL. We are the only team ever to have suffered consecutive 100+ losses. Gives you something to think about doesn't it.

The coaching panel must be looked at. We've made mistakes in our training, game plan and team selection and it will cost players their careers for something that is not entirely their fault. Our training has emphasised effort over skills and effort has been rewarded, often to detriment of skills development. Its no good asking players to hit targets or drill the ball to forwards leads when we have allowed the players skills to decay with out emphasis solely on effort. Thats was poor judgement by Lyon and watching his press conferences where he either says nothing of substance or bemoans the players just makes me angry. Its time he accepted his responsibility for creating this situation.

He needs to do a full reversal. We need a heavy emphasis of skills development and maintenance and he needs to select people who can execute those skills rather than his favourite 'foot soldier' types. I personally do not believe he is capable of making the required changes and we will continue to ignore the skills required to play at the top level. We will continie to be searching for 'player X' or 'player Y' who is the key to turning it all around.

We won't be the next Hawthorn or even the next Bulldogs because we are lacking a 2 meter forward or lacking a creative centre half back or lacking that in and under mid-fielder or lacking whatever excuse is needed this week.

For a 'no excuses club' we sure do have a lot of them in play. What we don't have is a coaching group who can make adjustments to get the best out of what we have or even a coaching group that can accept responsibility

 

[Okinakashi]

Positives: Harley Bennell back on the park.
Also I sat 2 rows in front of his whole family - they were hugely entertaining. His Mum seems like a good lady and was smiling from ear to ear all day...

No more footy at that craptastic Subiaco Oval.

Negatives: everything else...

 

[Fat Nyfe]

No. We set a new record in AFL. We are the only team ever to have suffered consecutive 100+ losses. Gives you something to think about doesn't it.

The coaching panel must be looked at. We've made mistakes in our training, game plan and team selection and it will cost players their careers for something that is not entirely their fault. Our training has emphasised effort over skills and effort has been rewarded, often to detriment of skills development. Its no good asking players to hit targets or drill the ball to forwards leads when we have allowed the players skills to decay with out emphasis solely on effort. Thats was poor judgement by Lyon and watching his press conferences where he either says nothing of substance or bemoans the players just makes me angry. Its time he accepted his responsibility for creating this situation.

He needs to do a full reversal. We need a heavy emphasis of skills development and maintenance and he needs to select people who can execute those skills rather than his favourite 'foot soldier' types. I personally do not believe he is capable of making the required changes and we will continue to ignore the skills required to play at the top level. We will continie to be searching for 'player X' or 'player Y' who is the key to turning it all around.

We won't be the next Hawthorn or even the next Bulldogs because we are lacking a 2 meter forward or lacking a creative centre half back or lacking that in and under mid-fielder or lacking whatever excuse is needed this week.

For a 'no excuses club' we sure do have a lot of them in play. What we don't have is a coaching group who can make adjustments to get the best out of what we have or even a coaching group that can accept responsibility

That really is sobering. Melbourne, throughout their Neeld era and Port before Hinkley didn't manage that and they were both truly awful.

I agree with most of your points, we really do have some fundamental problems. Obviously effort is important but you watch someone like Sutcliffe, who clearly tries hard but can't execute simple handballs, kicks, or good decisions in general and it's just not good enough. Not even close. Using Sutcliffe as a scapegoat but it's really just scratching the surface of a deeper coaching issue here.

 

[gaskin]

To Ross Lyon supporters: can you explain why you you still want him as your coach?

Why not? He is 1 year into a rebuild that is more or less on track. He has blooded youngsters which we have been calling for for the past 2 years. People seem to have had expectations way above where they should have been in relation to the development of the team and game plan by this stage of the year. The time to judge Ross and this rebuild is in 2 years time IMO. The last 2 weeks don't tell the tale of our season which Ross pretty much said the same thing in his post match press conference when asked about the rebuild. The biggest factor is who is out their and realistically available that would do better?

 

[imperial_oz]

That really is sobering. Melbourne, throughout their Neeld era and Port before Hinkley didn't manage that and they were both truly awful.

I agree with most of your points, we really do have some fundamental problems. Obviously effort is important but you watch someone like Sutcliffe, who clearly tries hard but can't execute simple handballs, kicks, or good decisions in general and it's just not good enough. Not even close. Using Sutcliffe as a scapegoat but it's really just scratching the surface of a deeper coaching issue here.

Sutcliffe is just an easy example of a deeper issue. Sure its easy to point to him but he's hardly the root cause of our woes.

Had we spent more emphasis on skills over the last 3 - 4 years, perhaps Sutcliffe would actually be a successful player this year. Who really knows?

Yes, effort is essential but its not the only essential element. Its like defence. Its essential but its not the only essential aspect that has to be covered. There are multiple aspects we need to be good at but what we have worked is effort and defence almost exclusively and now we are being found out big time.

It has to be acknowledged by the club that we got it wrong but what we get is 'we don't have the right players'. In my view we don't have the right guys making the decisions and the flat failure to acknowledge that aspect is merely confirmation that we don't.

 

[imperial_oz]

Why not? He is 1 year into a rebuild that is more or less on track. He has blooded youngsters which we have been calling for for the past 2 years. People seem to have had expectations way above where they should have been in relation to the development of the team and game plan by this stage of the year. The time to judge Ross and this rebuild is in 2 years time IMO. The last 2 weeks don't tell the tale of our season which Ross pretty much said the same thing in his post match press conference when asked about the rebuild. The biggest factor is who is out their and realistically available that would do better?

So what was last year then? It seems we are always going to be in the first year of a the rebuild as some sort of justification for keeping the heat off the coach. This was being posted last year and I'm betting some will be posing this next year as well.

When Lyon was signed up for 5 years, he was being signed up for 5 years to see the rebuild through. This is just not the first year, this is the second year and we seem to be going backwards

edit:

"We understand we are rebuilding, it's on the agenda. We certainly have a timeframe and all the studies have been done on how long it takes."

Ross Lyon - August 2016

This was from an article by Brendan Foster where Lyon gave his 4 year timetable for a rebuild to play finals in the 5th year. Well, Sydney did their rebuild and will play finals in year 1 and Hawthorn did theirs and just missed playing finals in their first year. We are certainly setting the bar every low with our coaching group.

 

[Dockerbay]

you will mixed views on here. I hope you are not judging but by the last 2 games but by the last 21 games. Freo fans demanded Ross Lyon to play youth. He has done that. We have blooded 7 debutants. Darcy is 202 cm and 112 kg. yeah he is a ruckman, Sandis replacement. Brennan Cox is 193 cm and 90 kg. He plays the Harry Taylor Role. Or the Essendon equivalent Cale Hooker Rotating Centre half Forward/ Centre half back. logue can be anything. Nyhuis, ryan, DeLuca and balic all got 3-5 games each.

Still need to find that elusive key forward or Ruck/forward.

Logue is terrible. I hate saying that about any young player - but he doesn't have a footballers bone in his body - he is always a step behind the play and his inability to kick the ball over any distance forwards slows us down significantly. He needs a few years actually playing the game at WAFL level to see if he can make it as servicable player.

 

[gaskin]

So what was last year then? It seems we are always going to be in the first year of a the rebuild as some sort of justification for keeping the heat off the coach. This was being posted last year and I'm betting some will be posing this next year as well.

When Lyon was signed up for 5 years, he was being signed up for 5 years to see the rebuild through. This is just not the first year, this is the second year and we seem to be going backwards

edit:

"We understand we are rebuilding, it's on the agenda. We certainly have a timeframe and all the studies have been done on how long it takes."

Ross Lyon - August 2016

This was from an article by Brendan Foster where Lyon gave his 4 year timetable for a rebuild to play finals in the 5th year. Well, Sydney did their rebuild and will play finals in year 1 and Hawthorn did theirs and just missed playing finals in their first year. We are certainly setting the bar every low with our coaching group.

Last year was not a rebuild. You can't be rebuilding if you are playing most of your senior players and very little youth like we were last year. To me this is year 1 of the rebuild.