.....HendoMANIA!!!!

[Elite Crow]

Will choose to disagree on this.

Both will be in our best-22 IMO & they both can play tight if need be. Just because you leave your man to intercept a ball doesn't mean you are loose.

You need to be able to keep up with your opponent

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You need to be able to keep up with your opponent

Really?

 

[Vader]

I'd say 2012 was the outlier, not 2013. But there's no point arguing about it, all that matters now is what he does in 2014.

I would argue that both were outliers on opposite ends of the form spectrum. His long term normal performance level is what we should be expecting to see next year.

 

[Vader]

Ohh man, this is hilarious. How can someone be so wrong so often?

Do you ever post something that has a point? Or do you just take cheap shots from the bleachers.

If there is something specific you disagree with then make your case. So far you've done nothing except bolster my case by failing to refute a single thing I have said.

 

[fabs33]

Mr Worry face, if there is a player you don't want to have the ball, it is Brent Reilly.

I don't know about that, VB can be pretty bad too. Although in VB's case it's more about inaccuracy by foot (which is ironic since he's a decent set shot) and lack of awareness of what's around him when he's kicking to a team mate, whereas Reilly is more about poor decision making, like hand passing the ball back to a player in a pack.

 

[1990crow]

Do you ever post something that has a point? Or do you just take cheap shots from the bleachers.

If there is something specific you disagree with then make your case. So far you've done nothing except bolster my case by failing to refute a single thing I have said.

I've learnt from others never to argue with you, you can't concede your wrong.
Reilly is playing defence because he just isn't good enough to play anywhere else. Henderson can play forward, middle or back as can be seen by anyone who has watched us play in the last 2 years. Somehow you've managed to confuse these two players as, I swear you wrote that Reilly can play anywhere the coach wants him to as opposed to Henderson only being able to play defence. Hence why I found your post hilarious.

 

[crowded house]

Hendo has the potential to be anything. He adds dash and dare to the back line and is a 100M player and at his height can be strong over head.
He is a weapon in defence.

Reilly doesn't have the speed or the creativity of Hendo but is stronger in the air and at his best is good defensively. But he is not a weapon in the back line. He can be part of a strong defensive back there but requires others to create for him.

The reason I don't like Reilly back is that outside his intercept marking his defence isn't good enough. His spoiling is okay, tackling he is crow's average (i.e. terrible) and man on man he's a liability.

Hendo could be better than Reilly defensively and is definitely better offensively so if it was between the two I would choose him.

My hope is that over the Summer Otten, Reilly and Hendo all get sent to one on one defensive school and all of them become good back line options. However i only really see room for improvement in two of these players.

 

[Vader]

I've learnt from others never to argue with you, you can't concede your wrong.
Reilly is playing defence because he just isn't good enough to play anywhere else. Henderson can play forward, middle or back as can be seen by anyone who has watched us play in the last 2 years. Somehow you've managed to confuse these two players as, I swear you wrote that Reilly can play anywhere the coach wants him to as opposed to Henderson only being able to play defence. Hence why I found your post hilarious.

You seem to have the players confused. Hendo has been tried in multiple positions all over the field from HFF to wing to 3rd tall defender, before finally finding a place to call home on the HBF. He ended up there because he failed in all of the other positions, inevitably ending up spending time in the SANFL while the selectors pondered where to try him next, as anyone who has watched us play in the last two years would know. He has all the potential in the world, but the last 6 weeks of the season were the first time he gave any indication of being able to put it all together.

Reilly, on the other hand has proven successful in multiple positions, giving the selectors flexibility in where they choose to play him. The reason he was chosen to play spare man in defence is because of his excellent kicking and ability to read the play for intercept marking - not because he was in the last chance saloon as his detractors would have us believe.

 

[dylan123]

The reason Reilly was moved out of the midfield was because he wasn't a first, second or third choice midfielder. If he had any value to the midfield he wouldn't have been thrown into the backline.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

You seem to have the players confused. Hendo has been tried in multiple positions all over the field from HFF to wing to 3rd tall defender, before finally finding a place to call home on the HBF. He ended up there because he failed in all of the other positions, inevitably ending up spending time in the SANFL while the selectors pondered where to try him next, as anyone who has watched us play in the last two years would know. He has all the potential in the world, but the last 6 weeks of the season were the first time he gave any indication of being able to put it all together.

Reilly, on the other hand has proven successful in multiple positions, giving the selectors flexibility in where they choose to play him. The reason he was chosen to play spare man in defence is because of his excellent kicking and ability to read the play for intercept marking - not because he was in the last chance saloon as his detractors would have us believe.

Serious question. In which positions has Reilly proven successful? And how do you measure success?

I'm not being facetious, just trying to understand it.

You said before that 2012 and 2013 were outliers, at opposite ends of the spectrum. I can accept that. They're also the two years he's played in his current role.

So looking at 2001-2011, in which positions do you say he was a success and on what basis do you say he was a success?

He's never averaged 20 possessions in a season.
He's broken 30 possessions in a game twice in 193 games (156 from 2001-2011)
He's got 4 career Brownlow votes, accumulated in 2 games
He didn't finish top 10 in the B&F from 2001-2009. He did make it in our 2 worst years in recent history (2010-11)
He doesn't kick goals
Reilly on Moloney is the second most infamous matchup in our history

I can acknowledge that any one of these things doesn't prove anything. But all of it taken together paints a pretty ordinary picture. What do you see that I don't?

 

[Elite Crow]

Do you ever post something that has a point? Or do you just take cheap shots from the bleachers.

If there is something specific you disagree with then make your case. So far you've done nothing except bolster my case by failing to refute a single thing I have said.

Others have done that for him

 

[Elite Crow]

Serious question. In which positions has Reilly proven successful? And how do you measure success?

I'm not being facetious, just trying to understand it.

You said before that 2012 and 2013 were outliers, at opposite ends of the spectrum. I can accept that. They're also the two years he's played in his current role.

So looking at 2001-2011, in which positions do you say he was a success and on what basis do you say he was a success?

He's never averaged 20 possessions in a season.
He's broken 30 possessions in a game twice in 193 games (156 from 2001-2011)
He's got 4 career Brownlow votes, accumulated in 2 games
He didn't finish top 10 in the B&F from 2001-2009. He did make it in our 2 worst years in recent history (2010-11)
He doesn't kick goals
Reilly on Moloney is the second most infamous matchup in our history

I can acknowledge that any one of these things doesn't prove anything. But all of it taken together paints a pretty ordinary picture. What do you see that I don't?

Game set and match

 

[Elite Crow]

Really?

You don't agree Reilly struggles to keep up with his opponent?

I remember the Sydney match watching him trail McVeigh badly, pretty sure he was dropped the week after.

It's not an isolated event either, put anyone with above average speed on Reilly and he struggles.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Serious question. In which positions has Reilly proven successful? And how do you measure success?

I'm not being facetious, just trying to understand it.

11 Years on the list and 193 games .........think that's how you measure success ......stats, isn't that what everyone refers to ...to prove a point

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Serious question. In which positions has Reilly proven successful? And how do you measure success?

I'm not being facetious, just trying to understand it.

You said before that 2012 and 2013 were outliers, at opposite ends of the spectrum. I can accept that. They're also the two years he's played in his current role.

So looking at 2001-2011, in which positions do you say he was a success and on what basis do you say he was a success?

He's never averaged 20 possessions in a season.
He's broken 30 possessions in a game twice in 193 games (156 from 2001-2011)
He's got 4 career Brownlow votes, accumulated in 2 games
He didn't finish top 10 in the B&F from 2001-2009. He did make it in our 2 worst years in recent history (2010-11)
He doesn't kick goals
Reilly on Moloney is the second most infamous matchup in our history

I can acknowledge that any one of these things doesn't prove anything. But all of it taken together paints a pretty ordinary picture. What do you see that I don't?

I must admit I agreed with Vader until I read this post

 

[Elite Crow]

I must admit I agreed with Vader until I read this post

You are forgiven

 

[Elite Crow]

11 Years on the list and 193 games .........think that's how you measure success ......stats, isn't that what everyone refers to ...to prove a point

Really? Is that your way of answering the question as to which positions he's been successful in by not naming them?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You don't agree Reilly struggles to keep up with his opponent?

I remember the Sydney match watching him trail McVeigh badly, pretty sure he was dropped the week after.

It's not an isolated event either, put anyone with above average speed on Reilly and he struggles.

....Mmmm
Same as ...Thompson, Porplyzia, Otten, Lynch, Wright ......gee didn't he get exposed for lack of pace this year

The point is ......not everyone is a Leroy Jetta ......but team selectors try to balance the team with fast & slower players
Many slow players make up for the pace issue with reading of the game ......stand up Scott Thompson

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Really? Is that your way of answering the question as to which positions he's been successful in by not naming them?

Yep ......because it's a cyclic argument ......because no-one can prove one way or the other

On the other hand they say stats don't lie .......and given you use stats all the time .....lets his career stats speak for themselves

 

[Elite Crow]

....Mmmm
Same as ...Thompson, Porplyzia, Otten, Lynch, Wright ......gee didn't he get exposed for lack of pace this year

The point is ......not everyone is a Leroy Jetta ......but team selectors try to balance the team with fast & slower players
Many slow players make up for the pace issue with reading of the game ......stand up Scott Thompson

The difference is he's a mid sized defender, being exposed for pace by a mid sized forward is not what you want

 

[Elite Crow]

Yep ......because it's a cyclic argument ......because no-one can prove one way or the other

On the other hand they say stats don't lie .......and given you use stats all the time .....lets his career stats speak for themselves

Not its easy to prove, name the years he was successful in the different positions and as for stats, he did that and you dismissed them.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The difference is he's a mid sized defender, being exposed for pace by a mid sized forward is not what you want

Then how does he make the AA sqaud then ........surely on your appraisal those experts on the AA selection committee don't know their stuff

How about concentrating on Reilly's real issue in 2014 (which WAS NOT speed) ......it was his decision making ......some horrible turnovers that resulted in goals

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not its easy to prove, name the years he was successful in the different positions and as for stats, he did that and you dismissed them.

I say he was successful ....you say he wasn't .....where's that discussion going but no-where

 

[dylan123]

Darcy is/was on the AA selection committee, enough said.

 

[Elite Crow]

Then how does he make the AA sqaud then ........surely on your appraisal those experts on the AA selection committee don't know their stuff

How about concentrating on Reilly's real issue in 2014 (which WAS NOT speed) ......it was his decision making ......some horrible turnovers that resulted in goals

Because he didn't have an opponent once he did he missed AA selection, pretty straight forward. Put an opponent on him and he struggled leading to being dropped this year.