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hille needs to do more
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Regardless of size, the point is Hille has been fairly ordinary this season. Whoever said he couldn't do any better against Sandilands I disagree. He constantly, constantly mistimed his jumps and gave Sandilands basically an uncontested tap, as opposed to a fairly contested tap he should have faced. Sandilands is bigger, taller and better, but as good as Sandilands was, was as bad as Hille was. Same goes for Carlton.
I agree with hulld about Paddy and Laycock being the future (particularly Paddy), and I still think Hille should play seniors for his career. But if we are to go places I don't think he should be the no.1 ruckman
I agree with hulld about Paddy and Laycock being the future (particularly Paddy), and I still think Hille should play seniors for his career. But if we are to go places I don't think he should be the no.1 ruckman
Hulld also expected a big game from Hille...so where else can Hille play? His too big for anywhere else bar the goal square.
Is Hille in his prime yet? Ruckman seem to develop a little later. Mind you, I think I've been saying that about Hille for the past couple of years.. Nevertheless it seems a little early in the year to write off 07. He can turn his form around, I'm sure.
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He has played 109 games and will be 26 in June. If he isnt in his prime now he never will have a prime.
I doubt that he can improve his game in a development sense, nor in a physical sense, however, if he is being groomed as our next leader, mentally....theres still plenty of improvement left in him and if he's forced to think as a captain, it could force him to rethink the options he takes before a bounce, throw in or perhaps a kick into our forward 50. Remaining in the ruck would be ideal in that case as he's central for all his teammates.
I think he expected a big game because it is time to deliver, not that he necessarily thinks he is going to have a big one. If that makes sense, not sure.
I guess at the moment he has to be no. 1, Paddy is too small, and a couple of years away, and Laycock needs to be fitter, and have a good run with injuries. If those two come good, then I think Hille would be a fine no. 2 ruckman, he could contest well with the likes of Seaby, Cloke, Longmuir and others. Or if he just fixed his action a little in the centre bounces, it was almost comical seeing him fly underneath the ball and out of the action against both Dockers and Blues before the ball would land anywhere near the ruckmen's hands.
i have never been a fan of hille in the ruck. He very rarely hits the ball to the advantage of our midfielders. He is always looking for the opposition ruckman at boundry throw ins instead of worring about the footy. Hille should now be dominating games. He's been our no1 ruckman for 3 years now and yet still struggels to win enough tapouts in the ruck. I just hope that laycock can string a few games together and get match fit
javo23
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yagabomb u must be dark on this topic
Luke Darcy exploded as a 28 year old.
Troy Simmonds did the same.
He's not beyond improvement, I don't think he's ever going to be an A Grade ruckman, but he can most definately take his game to another level.
Id arguably say he cant develop his skills any further. Darcy and Simmonds are much more agile than Hille could ever hope to be. If he had Darcy's agility (before knee injuries) and Simmonds' aggression...he'd be in the top 5 ruckmen in the league. Fact is, his body is that of a Sherman tank and takes twice as long to cover as much ground due to his 110kg frame.
maybe we can recruit barnesy back into the side. still has more run than hille, has more aggression than hille, and i bet he can tap better than hille.
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if mckinnon gets elevated at the end of the year we will have four ruckman under the age of 27.
that is plenty. we would expect at least one of hille, laycock, paddy and fish jnr to turn into a very good ruckman
that is plenty. we would expect at least one of hille, laycock, paddy and fish jnr to turn into a very good ruckman
Hille has been very dissapointing this season
He is developing into ruckmen which can neither dominate the ruck or pick up possesions in the game
He is developing into ruckmen which can neither dominate the ruck or pick up possesions in the game
monty1104
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Also gets reported more than Hille
Hang on, we're talking about a bloke that rucked 90% of the game in Round 1.
How can you question his athletism. He's a good athlete and he covers the ground well.
Wasn't his (over) aggression critisised about this time last year?
Yep, he's a big boy, but I reckon he moves alright. He's just not playing good footy and when that happens it's easy to dig for an excuse.
How bout just being out of form?
And he can develop his ruck skills.
Arent we comparing him to Darcy and Simmonds? He weighs at least a stone more than both mentioned. Surely, you're not going to suggest he's any quicker than either. Unless Hille drops weight, he's certainly not going to jump any higher, not sure we can measure if he'll tap any better...kicking/handballing isnt a priority for his position, so that leaves us with the decisions he makes with what skills he has available to him which I mentioned that he has plenty of room for improvement.
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I think I dismissed a direct comparison between Hille and those two when I said I don't thinK Hille will ever be an A Grade ruckman.
I simply used those two as a examples of the old theory about ruckmen developing a lot later in their careers than most.
Sam Newman has mentioned many a time that body positioning is vital to being a good ruckman and that comes with experience. Decision making is another thing that improves with experience.
Improvement is not beyond Hille, he's a good athlete, he's a hard worker and from all reports a good leader. One thing that has hurt him, as we seem to be fixed on the theory of restricting the opposition ruckmen over of the last couple of years. In his early days, when he played a lot more freely and a lot more attacking, he looked a natural.
He has the natural tools, I'd say we probably won't see the best of David Hille for another season or two.
Lets also not forget, he didn't take the game up until late into his teenage years.
At the moment, he needs to lift, he needs to do more. No arguements there, but I really just believe it's a matter of him being out form. Not his body shape and not a lack of ability.
I simply used those two as a examples of the old theory about ruckmen developing a lot later in their careers than most.
Sam Newman has mentioned many a time that body positioning is vital to being a good ruckman and that comes with experience. Decision making is another thing that improves with experience.
Improvement is not beyond Hille, he's a good athlete, he's a hard worker and from all reports a good leader. One thing that has hurt him, as we seem to be fixed on the theory of restricting the opposition ruckmen over of the last couple of years. In his early days, when he played a lot more freely and a lot more attacking, he looked a natural.
He has the natural tools, I'd say we probably won't see the best of David Hille for another season or two.
Lets also not forget, he didn't take the game up until late into his teenage years.
At the moment, he needs to lift, he needs to do more. No arguements there, but I really just believe it's a matter of him being out form. Not his body shape and not a lack of ability.
Id dare day if clubs continue this recruiting policy of injecting speed and more agility in their talls, he may very well find himself being asked to have an extra dimension to his game or be rotated through the bench. I cant see the game slowing down in the next year or two and I dont really see his abilities or attributes improving against this increase of the demands the game places on footballers...tall or short. If he ends up being pitted against more athletic opponents in the future, he'll end up looking like a dinosaur in our modern game.
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Sorry, I also thought you were acknowledging how much fitter they are than him. At 99kgs each, and granted an extra 2 inches shorter that Hille, their BMIs sit comfortably at less than 26, as do those of Jeff White and Dean Cox. In fact at 26.7 Hille's is more in line with Ben Hudson and other B-grade ruckmen. The relevance of that is not only overcoming gravity, but especially in preventing knee injuries.
If we're not depending on him to mark or kick why don't we just import a clapped out NBA centre from the States. We all know white men can't jump.And what's wrong if David Hille does develop into a B-grade ruckman?
We should be more than happy with that.
Fact is, at the moment there are three premier ruckmen in the comp and then there's the rest.
His 2006 was good, if he can recapture that form and Laycock continues to develop, we won't have the best ruck outfit in the comp, but it will be better than a lot of others.
We should be more than happy with that.
Fact is, at the moment there are three premier ruckmen in the comp and then there's the rest.
His 2006 was good, if he can recapture that form and Laycock continues to develop, we won't have the best ruck outfit in the comp, but it will be better than a lot of others.
Dr Moose
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Maybe we can get away with a B-grade ruckman feeding into an A-grade midfield. We'll get away with it some of the time, and Laycock or Paddy can help out at other stoppages. I think I'd go with that if he was a complete player otherwise, but apart from being a nice guy he needs to become A-grade, or he'll be trade bait come the end of the season.
Sorry, I also thought you were acknowledging how much fitter they are than him. At 99kgs each, and granted an extra 2 inches shorter that Hille, their BMIs sit comfortably at less than 26, as do those of Jeff White and Dean Cox. In fact at 26.7 Hille's is more in line with Ben Hudson and other B-grade ruckmen. The relevance of that is not only overcoming gravity, but especially in preventing knee injuries.
You know, Ive actually often wondered why we couldnt go for a basketball reject with good hands, teach him to kick, positioning himself, etc and see how he goes. Trying to be politically correct as possible, but an African American would certainly suit as a possible candidate.
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