Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 4

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Vic - How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 5

Continued From Part 4: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/how-would-you-rate-daniel-andrews-performance-as-victorian-premier-part-4.1257360/

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[Ned_Flanders]

Surely the Shep numbers are in today’s figures?

PCR results come in today, so todays numbers (they have been tagged yesterday with rapid tests)

 

[Baltimore Jack]

167 cases in Vic are aged 1-19.

92 of them are under the age of 10.

 

[Bazzar]

167 cases in Vic are aged 1-19.

92 of them are under the age of 10.

Lucky the under 10's have nothing more than the sniffles and many in hospital as precaution only.

 

[DapperDon]

167 cases in Vic are aged 1-19.

92 of them are under the age of 10.

Man those numbers extremely high, are parents doing new aged chickenpox parties?

 

[hawkman]

We have no chance

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Man those numbers extremely high, are parents doing new aged chickenpox parties?

And what about Play Grounds????

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

Thinking out loud here to share some ideas and work through facts, so please chip in with counterpoints,....
The current numbers show since the start of the pandemic Vic has had 21k cases vs 16k for NSW, acknowledging that NSW has 9k active, with 84 in ICU, however the total deaths are 820 vs 120, now this will rise in NSW but even when they surpass 21k cases I don't imagine the deaths will be anywhere near the Vic Total.

So Delta strain, it's much more transmissive, but is it less deadly? That would make sense from an evolutionary perspective as aren't viruses meant to become one or the other over time, not both? I haven't delved into it but that's what I've been told regarding UK. Also how do we differentiate between the effectiveness of a vaccine vs death rate if the strain is less deadly to begin with, assuming the drop in the UK death rate is being attributed to the vaccine.

We are being told to fear hospital overun as we approach 50 cases, which genuinely seems a borderline scare tactic as didnt we also see a massive increase in the ICU capacity last year? It's this kind of thing that is causing division with the public, it's hard to see the bigger picture when our leaders keep focusing us on the fine details i.e. get case numbers down at all cost

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Thinking out loud here to share some ideas and work through facts, so please chip in with counterpoints,....
The current numbers show since the start of the pandemic Vic has had 21k cases vs 16k for NSW, acknowledging that NSW has 9k active, with 84 in ICU, however the total deaths are 820 vs 120, now this will rise in NSW but even when they surpass 21k cases I don't imagine the deaths will be anywhere near the Vic Total.

So Delta strain, it's much more transmissive, but is it less deadly? That would make sense from an evolutionary perspective as aren't viruses meant to become one or the other over time, not both? I haven't delved into it but that's what I've been told regarding UK. Also how do we differentiate between the effectiveness of a vaccine vs death rate if the strain is less deadly to begin with, assuming the drop in the UK death rate is being attributed to the vaccine.

We are being told to fear hospital overun as we approach 50 cases, which genuinely seems a borderline scare tactic as didnt we also see a massive increase in the ICU capacity last year? It's this kind of thing that is causing division with the public, it's hard to see the bigger picture when our leaders keep focusing us on the fine details i.e. get case numbers down at all cost

Yet over 450,000 died in India due to Delta

 

[Crankyhawk]

They have a stat on the covid live site. 49.9% above 16 years have had their first jab. 28.7 % above 16 years are fully vaccinated. That takes it it to 78.6% older than 16 within the next 3 months....and hopefully quicker. That is not too bad...unless the 28.7 is included in that 49.9%...then we are a way off yet.

yes that 28.7 is included in the 49.9

 

[Evolved1]

Thinking out loud here to share some ideas and work through facts, so please chip in with counterpoints,....
The current numbers show since the start of the pandemic Vic has had 21k cases vs 16k for NSW, acknowledging that NSW has 9k active, with 84 in ICU, however the total deaths are 820 vs 120, now this will rise in NSW but even when they surpass 21k cases I don't imagine the deaths will be anywhere near the Vic Total.

So Delta strain, it's much more transmissive, but is it less deadly? That would make sense from an evolutionary perspective as aren't viruses meant to become one or the other over time, not both? I haven't delved into it but that's what I've been told regarding UK. Also how do we differentiate between the effectiveness of a vaccine vs death rate if the strain is less deadly to begin with, assuming the drop in the UK death rate is being attributed to the vaccine.

We are being told to fear hospital overun as we approach 50 cases, which genuinely seems a borderline scare tactic as didnt we also see a massive increase in the ICU capacity last year? It's this kind of thing that is causing division with the public, it's hard to see the bigger picture when our leaders keep focusing us on the fine details i.e. get case numbers down at all cost

Vaccination of over 60's must make a huge difference to the death count.

 

[hawkman]

Thinking out loud here to share some ideas and work through facts, so please chip in with counterpoints,....
The current numbers show since the start of the pandemic Vic has had 21k cases vs 16k for NSW, acknowledging that NSW has 9k active, with 84 in ICU, however the total deaths are 820 vs 120, now this will rise in NSW but even when they surpass 21k cases I don't imagine the deaths will be anywhere near the Vic Total.

So Delta strain, it's much more transmissive, but is it less deadly? That would make sense from an evolutionary perspective as aren't viruses meant to become one or the other over time, not both? I haven't delved into it but that's what I've been told regarding UK. Also how do we differentiate between the effectiveness of a vaccine vs death rate if the strain is less deadly to begin with, assuming the drop in the UK death rate is being attributed to the vaccine.

We are being told to fear hospital overun as we approach 50 cases, which genuinely seems a borderline scare tactic as didnt we also see a massive increase in the ICU capacity last year? It's this kind of thing that is causing division with the public, it's hard to see the bigger picture when our leaders keep focusing us on the fine details i.e. get case numbers down at all cost

It got into nursing homes in Melbourne last year which contributed heavily to the death toll

 

[tangolikelama]

 

[Punt rd end]

Thinking out loud here to share some ideas and work through facts, so please chip in with counterpoints,....
The current numbers show since the start of the pandemic Vic has had 21k cases vs 16k for NSW, acknowledging that NSW has 9k active, with 84 in ICU, however the total deaths are 820 vs 120, now this will rise in NSW but even when they surpass 21k cases I don't imagine the deaths will be anywhere near the Vic Total.

So Delta strain, it's much more transmissive, but is it less deadly? That would make sense from an evolutionary perspective as aren't viruses meant to become one or the other over time, not both? I haven't delved into it but that's what I've been told regarding UK. Also how do we differentiate between the effectiveness of a vaccine vs death rate if the strain is less deadly to begin with, assuming the drop in the UK death rate is being attributed to the vaccine.

We are being told to fear hospital overun as we approach 50 cases, which genuinely seems a borderline scare tactic as didnt we also see a massive increase in the ICU capacity last year? It's this kind of thing that is causing division with the public, it's hard to see the bigger picture when our leaders keep focusing us on the fine details i.e. get case numbers down at all cost

Most of last years deaths were in aged care, fortunately, this year we have a vaccine and all those residents that wanted to be vaccinated have been. Also, it was the staff bringing it in and a great number of those have been vaccinated as well.

 

[Xtreme]

Dan should have taken the year off after his mysterious fall... but he rushed back to bask in reflective glory.

Now has a bakers dozen worth of egg on his face. Would lose an election if held tomorrow!

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

It got into nursing homes in Melbourne last year which contributed heavily to the death toll

Great point. Let's assume NSW learnt from our dire mistakes and put in controls.

 

[Seeds]

Feel for victorians.

Cant imagine what you are going through.

Given it looks like covid will be here forever and clearly it spreads worse in cold climates can i suggest you try and relocate up here to queensland with me. Been sititng on the beach at noosa this week in perfect weather.

House prices are quite cheap in queensland.

The world has permanently changed. Come to queensland.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Dan should have taken the year off after his mysterious fall... but he rushed back to bask in reflective glory.

Now has a bakers dozen worth of egg on his face. Would lose an election if held tomorrow!

But that would suit you anti-vaxers wouldn't it?

Get rid of the guy preventing you from spreading the disease

 

[Crankyhawk]

Thinking out loud here to share some ideas and work through facts, so please chip in with counterpoints,....
The current numbers show since the start of the pandemic Vic has had 21k cases vs 16k for NSW, acknowledging that NSW has 9k active, with 84 in ICU, however the total deaths are 820 vs 120, now this will rise in NSW but even when they surpass 21k cases I don't imagine the deaths will be anywhere near the Vic Total.

So Delta strain, it's much more transmissive, but is it less deadly? That would make sense from an evolutionary perspective as aren't viruses meant to become one or the other over time, not both? I haven't delved into it but that's what I've been told regarding UK. Also how do we differentiate between the effectiveness of a vaccine vs death rate if the strain is less deadly to begin with, assuming the drop in the UK death rate is being attributed to the vaccine.

We are being told to fear hospital overun as we approach 50 cases, which genuinely seems a borderline scare tactic as didnt we also see a massive increase in the ICU capacity last year? It's this kind of thing that is causing division with the public, it's hard to see the bigger picture when our leaders keep focusing us on the fine details i.e. get case numbers down at all cost

the death rate for current NSW delta is around 1% iirc; which is much higher than the current UK experience - bearing in mind the UK are much more vaccinated and probably higher native exposure to COVID and COVID alpha (ie more immunity)

and NSW are having real difficulties offloading ambulances (there are articles stating long ramping with covid +ve patients just sitting in the back of the ambulance vans)

COVID patients queue for hours in ambulances at Westmead Hospital

Four patients waited several hours to be admitted to hospital on Thursday, including two who were COVID-positive.

www.smh.com.au

now in victoria even before this outbreak we had issues with ambulance ramping

https://vahi.vic.gov.au/emergency-care/ambulance-patient-transfers

one can see a fall in the number of ambulances offloaded within the current KPI of 40 minutes post arrival of ambulance.
and this doesn't tell a full story as once its more than 40 minutes its just tracked as a fail on this data, this article by an emergency specialist who works at a different vic hospital gives more context

Five-hour ambulance delays outside hospitals a ‘public health disaster’

Ambulance response times have dipped to their worst level since 2016-17 and health professionals say Victoria’s system is at breaking point.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Crankyhawk]

Dan should have taken the year off after his mysterious fall... but he rushed back to bask in reflective glory.

Now has a bakers dozen worth of egg on his face. Would lose an election if held tomorrow!

not a particularly helpful statement.

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

Most of last years deaths were in aged care, fortunately, this year we have a vaccine and all those residents that wanted to be vaccinated have been. Also, it was the staff bringing it in and a great number of those have been vaccinated as well.

So it should be more manageable this time round? I wonder if we will eventually get a softening of the "zero target" as with NSW the horse has bolted, how is VIC going to replicate the success of last year's lockdown when we have this in conjunction with a super transmissive variant.

 

[Messenger]

We have no chance

The mask exemption rules in Victoria are far too lax.

 

[Punt rd end]

So it should be more manageable this time round? I wonder if we will eventually get a softening of the "zero target" as with NSW the horse has bolted, how is VIC going to replicate the success of last year's lockdown when we have this in conjunction with a super transmissive variant.

Most of the deaths so far are older and have not been vaccinated, some only 1 shot which is why the big push on vaccination

 

[Xtreme]

The mask exemption rules in Victoria are far too lax.

They needed to make it stricter a year ago. Require proof to be shown instead of a lazy/smartarse "I'm exempt".

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

Most of the deaths so far are older and have not been vaccinated, some only 1 shot which is why the big push on vaccination

My parents and their friends are in the late 60's and over bracket and there is a fair bit of hesitancy from them, it is a challenge, hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

 

[SnakeMan86]

Dan should have taken the year off after his mysterious fall... but he rushed back to bask in reflective glory.

Now has a bakers dozen worth of egg on his face. Would lose an election if held tomorrow!

Yep, definitely his fault people are selfish and not isolating when infectious.
Definitely his fault people from Melbourne are sneaking into regional and spreading it there.
Such egg on his face
It's astonishing how people are that blind that they can ignore people's ridiculously selfish behaviour to suit there own narrative.