List Mgmt. Hypothetical trades and wishlists thread

[Strapping Young Lad]

Yes, that will likely happen. Not disputing that. But explain to me the logic in trading a player like Gunston? The first round pick they might get in exchange could turn out to be another speculative draft pick that may end up turning into a Beau Dowler or Mitch Thorp!

The lack of key forwards is one weakness on our list and Gunston is the only one who can play that role. Last season he dominated being the go to player inside 50. This is who's left; Schoenmakers, O'Brien and Vickery. That is horribly bad key forward stocks to have in reserve.

It's much easier to replace a quality midfielder then it is to replace a quality key forward. The club built around Franklin and Roughead. Likewise they should be building around Gunston, Rioli and co by building a formidable forward-line for the future.

You're looking at 2018.

Clarkson and Wright are looking at 2021. There's so much more at play, than how we will set up in 2018.

I'm not saying Gunston will be traded, but if the right deal is tabled and he's open to it, then it might happen. Some of these deals would need to be pretty good, obviously. Wright isn't stupid.

What most people here depend on when discussing the current list is things like "if we get the best out of this bloke, and this guy recaptures his form we could challenge top 4 again, we just need another midfielder and a tall forward...etc, etc."

Needless to say Wright and Clarkson are looking to set us up for continued success, with multiple chances to win a flag in future years, not a sneaky chance to compete for 1, so they can't rely on blokes recapturing form.

If Wright and Clarkson think that means we need to do a reshuffle this year and look to bring in our next Hodge, Mitchell and Franklin in the next 2 years, then I think we should be all for it.

The players would be well aware of the need for change, and despite probably not wanting to leave, who's to say the promise of an extra 200k a year and the opportunity to win another flag in the short term isn't exactly what they are looking for.

Buckle up.

 

[JordyLuke]

Now hopefully this is when Clarko's sleeper agent coaches running a third of the AFL opposition begin Operation: Destintation Club.

 

[tige19]

Some of you guys are going to need to get your head around it.

It's been said numerous times now, by many, that we intend to be bold, just as we were last year.

Wright will look at what is being offered and make decisions based on where he thinks we can get value.

He won't be trading everyone, but be prepared to lose favorites for the right deal.

I love your recent list management posts, there was many (can't remember if it was you) last year who would shoot down anyone who suggested senior players could be traded. There's still some people who do the same when Punky gets mentioned, I am 100% in the corner of "all moveable assets are on the table".

We need to change our age demographic, we need to improve with young talent and we need to be bold. Top 4 isn't that far away if Wrighty can push the right buttons, very keen for the Off-season.

 

[Big Bruce]

My thoughts are trade Birchall, Stratton and poppy for players eg Balick/Kennedy or picks.
Would be good to somehow get a 1st rounder this year or an extra for next year. One, this year makes it easier to trade future 1sts eg 2019
Or have 2X1st for 2018 for a big forward from GC

 

[TallyHawk]

Baffled that people are naming Shiels as a tradable player.
Can't see Birchall, Frawley, Gunston, Rioli or Smith being traded aswell. Guys like Duryea & Whitecross might be shown the door.
I can see Stratton being traded

What has Shiels done to make him untouchable? he is being overtaken by young mids. Langford went passed him this year.


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[flinchfree]

Yes, that will likely happen. Not disputing that. But explain to me the logic in trading a player like Gunston? The first round pick they might get in exchange could turn out to be another speculative draft pick that may end up turning into a Beau Dowler or Mitch Thorp!

The lack of key forwards is one weakness on our list and Gunston is the only one who can play that role. Last season he dominated being the go to player inside 50. This is who's left; Schoenmakers, O'Brien and Vickery. That is horribly bad key forward stocks to have in reserve.

It's much easier to replace a quality midfielder then it is to replace a quality key forward. The club built around Franklin and Roughead. Likewise they should be building around Gunston, Rioli and co by building a formidable forward-line for the future.

I like everything about Gunston that you've said, except he's not a key forward.
Oh, and he didn't dominate last season, he lost his way as it unfolded.
Both his kicking and his desire for the contest in the forward half fell away distinctly.
I still wouldn't trade him myself, think there are other assets that would achieve the same result but who have less unique tools and versatility.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

What has Shiels done to make him untouchable? he is being overtaken by young mids. Langford went passed him this year.


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Completely different players.

Shiels is an elite stopper and negator, who provides plenty of drive around stoppages.

 

[DannyJ]

"We realised at 0-4 the groups best footy was behind it not in front of it"

Clarkson post match round 23

I expect a few trades. But it better not be to get back into the draft. It better be to land established players in the 21-24 age bracket


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[TallyHawk]

Completely different players.

Shiels is an elite stopper and negator, who provides plenty of drive around stoppages.

Howe was our stopper, Shiels has been disappointing and lacks presence in the clearances.


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[Birdofprey]

You're looking at 2018.

Clarkson and Wright are looking at 2021. There's so much more at play, than how we will set up in 2018.

I'm not saying Gunston will be traded, but if the right deal is tabled and he's open to it, then it might happen. Some of these deals would need to be pretty good, obviously. Wright isn't stupid.

What most people here depend on when discussing the current list is things like "if we get the best out of this bloke, and this guy recaptures his form we could challenge top 4 again, we just need another midfielder and a tall forward...etc, etc."

Needless to say Wright and Clarkson are looking to set us up for continued success, with multiple chances to win a flag in future years, not a sneaky chance to compete for 1, so they can't rely on blokes recapturing form.

If Wright and Clarkson think that means we need to do a reshuffle this year and look to bring in our next Hodge, Mitchell and Franklin in the next 2 years, then I think we should be all for it.

The players would be well aware of the need for change, and despite probably not wanting to leave, who's to say the promise of an extra 200k a year and the opportunity to win another flag in the short term isn't exactly what they are looking for.

Buckle up.

I think this is about right. If players are potentially open to it, the club will help move some along for the right deal.

It doesn’t mean that AC and GW force them into a cardboard box with a packet of steak knives without them agreeing to it. It does mean they will be honest, along the lines of, “to get where we need to go as a footy club, we cannot promise you will be part of our planning (… e.g., regular games beyond 2018, etc.)”

It’s a tough thing for a player to hear, but it might create opportunities for them and their family that they would not otherwise have had. What would you rather: 1. An honest conversation with the opportunity to make a new plan for the future while you have some great prospects, or 2. Finding yourself half way through a season playing a limited role (or in the twos) and therefore losing your own market value every week?

Its not pleasant for us I suppose - once a player puts on the brown and gold I am in their corner and hate the thought of them elsewhere. But if we want to continue as the club we have become, we have to accept that players we love, even some outstanding footballers, are going to be offered the opportunity to play elsewhere.

 

[perrdan09]

Completely different players.

Shiels is an elite stopper and negator, who provides plenty of drive around stoppages.

Shiels isnt an elite stopper imo. He has good games every now and then but is someone i would consider trading if it meant we get someone that addresses a need.

 

[wizzard400]

I just posted in the Ty Vickery thread but Damian Barrett reported on the Sunday Footy Show this morning that we're not happy with him on the field and off the field and are looking to trade him. Yes, you read that correctly.

What could we expect for him, should someone even want him?

4th rounder maybe?

 

[WWSD]

I just posted in the Ty Vickery thread but Damian Barrett reported on the Sunday Footy Show this morning that we're not happy with him on the field and off the field and are looking to trade him. Yes, you read that correctly.

What could we expect for him, should someone even want him?

4th rounder maybe?

He isn't worth much. Schoenmakers has more trade currency.

 

[Steven Tyler]

I just posted in the Ty Vickery thread but Damian Barrett reported on the Sunday Footy Show this morning that we're not happy with him on the field and off the field and are looking to trade him. Yes, you read that correctly.

What could we expect for him, should someone even want him?

4th rounder maybe?

Can you trade a guy you got as a free agent, and if so, how does his remaining contract work for Hawthorn?
We'd have to pony up our deal surely?

 

[WWSD]

Can you trade a guy you got as a free agent, and if so, how does his remaining contract work for Hawthorn?
We'd have to pony up our deal surely?

If they trade him they have to payout half of his remaining contract. I don't think they'll trade him though as they'll likely keep him for 2018 in case there's an injury or suspension.

 

[tige19]

Howe was our stopper, Shiels has been disappointing and lacks presence in the clearances.


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Agreed, Shiels gave very little. Probably his worst season in 6-7 years.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Ask yourself these question...

Does Clarkson wants success?

Does he define success by having a competitive season?

Does define success by winning a flag?

Does he define succes by winning multiple flags?

I think you know what his aim is. Sustained success.

I'm not remotely saying that we're going to remain static. I just don't think we're going to go ballistic and trade players like Gunston.

Clarko has also said he sees us competing for a flag in 4 years - which makes me believe he's not going to push the panic buttons this year and trade everything for draft picks. That's not how we roll.

I'm fine with changes - change is good. I just don't think change will come with Gunston and Cyril not playing for us.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

Gunston is a keeper. Move on. Can't wait to we reunite Rioli, Roughead, Gunston, Breust again as forwards with an emerging O'Brien and more Burgoyne thrown in there. Want us to start racking up century scores again. Sideways trading gets you nowhere. As it stands we have an excess of half back flankers, so trading one of them for a midfielder makes sense.

 

[Mojo]

Howe was our stopper, Shiels has been disappointing and lacks presence in the clearances.


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Shiels is someone I'd be throwing up in a trade.

 

[derp de derp]

If the club intends for Mitchell and Jaeger to be the nucleus of our next premiership side then anyone over 26 is going to be out of scope for our next premiership, if we are targeting 2020, who, including Cyril will be at their peak being over 30? To cull the list now makes perfect sense whilst players like Frawley, Smith, Birchall and Breust have real currency.


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[Hawker98]

I think a person the club would be thinking of trading would be Shiels, he didn't have a massive output this year but he still has a bit of trade currency and could get us a young classy mid


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[NICE1]

Shiels is someone I'd be throwing up in a trade.

Do people seriously think we'd get something worthwhile for Shiels? We'd be luck to get a 3rd rounder

 

[Hawks1994]

The reason I can't see Shiels as part of a trade is the fact that he has been spruiked by the club for several years now as a future leader and well liked player by all at the club

Now I agree he didn't have his best season, not even close, but we know what he is capable of when on song. I'm not really a fan of dumping a player after one period of bad form when before that he was very good. He stays for mine

 

[Aramis]

So the Lions have pick 1 on the table and Rayner is a stand out in the Dusty mould that we would love to add to our list.

How do we get pick 1 is the million dollar question!!!

Does Gunston plus our 2018 first round pick in what is being talked about as a super draft get us a look in for the pick 1

Pick 1 2017 for Gunston and our 1st round 2018 is way overs....

Brisbane should be entertaining some mature experienced talent to go with the solid youth base they already have though, they need to look at GWS... Shaw, Mumford etc... Older more experienced heads leading the youth...

I think Strats + Birch + our 3rd rounder this year could get that done.... Brisbane's backline will become solid and the youth will get exposure to winning/premiership mentalities... we get a really solid draft pick to help build our youth profile without compromising our 2018 (super draft) picks.

 

[jenniferHAWKinS]

We need to trade for an emerging A grade midfielder in the 19-22 age bracket to compliment Titch and Jaeger. Happy to trade a combination of Birchall, Stratton, Shiels, Langford or Puopolo and next years 2nd rounder (must keep our 1st rounder!) to get one. Maybe Big Boy if we think Cegs and Pittonet are ready to go. Must make tough decisions to gain as much young ready made talent as possible. Would not trade Smith, Gunston, Breust or Rioli. Keeping Roughy and Silk is self explanatory. Would keep Frawley because we don't have an obvious replacement yet.