Mega Thread "I need to vent" thread.

[JB1975]

I agree. I cannot understand how anyone can be a practicing Catholic. As for any Jesus comparison, crucifixion would not be an inappropriate conclusion to the Pell saga.

On the bolded, I suppose being born and raised as a Catholic is a big part of it. It was part of my upbringing. My religious sentiment evaporated long ago, didn't survive my childhood, but others have the faith until death.

My Grandma was a practicing Catholic, and her faith and the church gave her strength until she died in 2012. She was only 74, had never smoked, hardly touched alcohol, walked constantly, and then one day her stomach pains were revealed to be cancer. They told her she had 2 weeks to live; she stole another week on top of that.

The one concern she had was her soul. She wanted her priest. I made it my responsibility to go to her parish and organise for the priest to visit her, which he did. He assured her that she would see God, and throughout those ghastly weeks of blood and vomit into a bucket and convulsive pain and with only the promise of death to relieve the anguish, it was her priest's comforting words which gave her an unworldly strength to look it all in the eye. His words, and her faith.

I don't like the Catholic Church. My own religious upbringing instilled a vision of Christ in me, a vision far removed from the greed, spiritual bankruptcy and plain evil of the institution of the church, and my reverence for it has long been replaced with disgust and anger. Even the priest who comforted my Grandma managed to incite me, as he presided over the requiem service to send her off and described her as an 'eccentric woman'. He also told the congregation that he knew she was going to die 6 months before, that 'the angel of death had visited upon her', but that she was ready to meet the Lord. Well f*** me, I wish he'd passed on this important info to a medical practitioner, because if they'd detected that mass in her stomach even a few weeks earlier, she would likely have beaten it.

I'm not sure why I'm writing all this. To vent, I guess, because it's the thread for it. I'm angry because the Church in indefensible, and I'm angry because the custodians of the Church my Grandma believed in so deeply are self-serving egotists with a gobsmacking blind spot for anything akin to ordinary human feeling.

 

[Anzacday]

JB1975 your post epitomises why we need/have such a thread.
Well done, I hope you feel better for it.
Bless you my son.
Now for your penance you shall say...

 

[Robroy22]

On the bolded, I suppose being born and raised as a Catholic is a big part of it. It was part of my upbringing. My religious sentiment evaporated long ago, didn't survive my childhood, but others have the faith until death.

My Grandma was a practicing Catholic, and her faith and the church gave her strength until she died in 2012. She was only 74, had never smoked, hardly touched alcohol, walked constantly, and then one day her stomach pains were revealed to be cancer. They told her she had 2 weeks to live; she stole another week on top of that.

The one concern she had was her soul. She wanted her priest. I made it my responsibility to go to her parish and organise for the priest to visit her, which he did. He assured her that she would see God, and throughout those ghastly weeks of blood and vomit into a bucket and convulsive pain and with only the promise of death to relieve the anguish, it was her priest's comforting words which gave her an unworldly strength to look it all in the eye. His words, and her faith.

I don't like the Catholic Church. My own religious upbringing instilled a vision of Christ in me, a vision far removed from the greed, spiritual bankruptcy and plain evil of the institution of the church, and my reverence for it has long been replaced with disgust and anger. Even the priest who comforted my Grandma managed to incite me, as he presided over the requiem service to send her off and described her as an 'eccentric woman'. He also told the congregation that he knew she was going to die 6 months before, that 'the angel of death had visited upon her', but that she was ready to meet the Lord. Well f*** me, I wish he'd passed on this important info to a medical practitioner, because if they'd detected that mass in her stomach even a few weeks earlier, she would likely have beaten it.

I'm not sure why I'm writing all this. To vent, I guess, because it's the thread for it. I'm angry because the Church in indefensible, and I'm angry because the custodians of the Church my Grandma believed in so deeply are self-serving egotists with a gobsmacking blind spot for anything akin to ordinary human feeling.

Great words mate. She'd be proud of you.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

On the bolded, I suppose being born and raised as a Catholic is a big part of it. It was part of my upbringing. My religious sentiment evaporated long ago, didn't survive my childhood, but others have the faith until death.

My Grandma was a practicing Catholic, and her faith and the church gave her strength until she died in 2012. She was only 74, had never smoked, hardly touched alcohol, walked constantly, and then one day her stomach pains were revealed to be cancer. They told her she had 2 weeks to live; she stole another week on top of that.

The one concern she had was her soul. She wanted her priest. I made it my responsibility to go to her parish and organise for the priest to visit her, which he did. He assured her that she would see God, and throughout those ghastly weeks of blood and vomit into a bucket and convulsive pain and with only the promise of death to relieve the anguish, it was her priest's comforting words which gave her an unworldly strength to look it all in the eye. His words, and her faith.

I don't like the Catholic Church. My own religious upbringing instilled a vision of Christ in me, a vision far removed from the greed, spiritual bankruptcy and plain evil of the institution of the church, and my reverence for it has long been replaced with disgust and anger. Even the priest who comforted my Grandma managed to incite me, as he presided over the requiem service to send her off and described her as an 'eccentric woman'. He also told the congregation that he knew she was going to die 6 months before, that 'the angel of death had visited upon her', but that she was ready to meet the Lord. Well f*** me, I wish he'd passed on this important info to a medical practitioner, because if they'd detected that mass in her stomach even a few weeks earlier, she would likely have beaten it.

I'm not sure why I'm writing all this. To vent, I guess, because it's the thread for it. I'm angry because the Church in indefensible, and I'm angry because the custodians of the Church my Grandma believed in so deeply are self-serving egotists with a gobsmacking blind spot for anything akin to ordinary human feeling.

Great post, JB.

 

[JB1975]

Great words mate. She'd be proud of you.

Thanks Rob, much appreciated.

 

[Markfs]

I agree. I cannot understand how anyone can be a practicing Catholic. As for any Jesus comparison, crucifixion would not be an inappropriate conclusion to the Pell saga.

well a practising christian of any type might be a worthwhile goal but people cant seem to practice the one fundamental that Jesus outlined - treat every else as you would like to be treated and love and care for them. So they get sidetracked into reading the nasty old testament like israel folau and the rest of the born again fundamentalists. Or they go to mass and do all the other little ceremonies but tell their syrian neighbours to piss off home. Being a practising catholic is like being a collingwood member but barracking for carlton.....

 

[sr36]

Like all large institutions churches have some bloody horrible aspects, but they also have more good than most large institutions.

 

[Markfs]

And how about the Popes comments?
Truly disgusting comparing Pell to Jesus.
And the words “because someone had it in for them”.
How can anyone respect a leader of an organisation “devoted“ to forgiveness who says such a thing?

its interesting. the pope was portrayed at the beginning as someone who was going to get back to true christianity and forget about the real estate business and the vatican bank and he has just gone in a puff of smoke.....vanished.... its that vatican bureaucracy... it just churns along... fantastic business model. A bit like mcdonalds but it has lasted 2000 years. Rather than burgers it sells redemption. A chance at everlasting happiness. repent my son...

i've got a significant bit of italian in me and i've been around them a lot throughout my life. Family tribal cosa nostra..... The church in Rome... the die was cast when headquarters was set up there. Rip up the flowers and any beauty and lay down the concrete - practical, easy to wash the mud off....

unfortunately the people who have left christianity have just gone over to worshipping money... the lesser of two evils?

 

[Vicky Park]

On the bolded, I suppose being born and raised as a Catholic is a big part of it. It was part of my upbringing. My religious sentiment evaporated long ago, didn't survive my childhood, but others have the faith until death.

My Grandma was a practicing Catholic, and her faith and the church gave her strength until she died in 2012. She was only 74, had never smoked, hardly touched alcohol, walked constantly, and then one day her stomach pains were revealed to be cancer. They told her she had 2 weeks to live; she stole another week on top of that.

The one concern she had was her soul. She wanted her priest. I made it my responsibility to go to her parish and organise for the priest to visit her, which he did. He assured her that she would see God, and throughout those ghastly weeks of blood and vomit into a bucket and convulsive pain and with only the promise of death to relieve the anguish, it was her priest's comforting words which gave her an unworldly strength to look it all in the eye. His words, and her faith.

I don't like the Catholic Church. My own religious upbringing instilled a vision of Christ in me, a vision far removed from the greed, spiritual bankruptcy and plain evil of the institution of the church, and my reverence for it has long been replaced with disgust and anger. Even the priest who comforted my Grandma managed to incite me, as he presided over the requiem service to send her off and described her as an 'eccentric woman'. He also told the congregation that he knew she was going to die 6 months before, that 'the angel of death had visited upon her', but that she was ready to meet the Lord. Well f*** me, I wish he'd passed on this important info to a medical practitioner, because if they'd detected that mass in her stomach even a few weeks earlier, she would likely have beaten it.

I'm not sure why I'm writing all this. To vent, I guess, because it's the thread for it. I'm angry because the Church in indefensible, and I'm angry because the custodians of the Church my Grandma believed in so deeply are self-serving egotists with a gobsmacking blind spot for anything akin to ordinary human feeling.

This reads like my story!

Not meaning to trivialise it, but here is another example of a priest saying the wrong thing at a funeral. A monsignor in fact, at the funeral of my darling Dad who, like me, had abandoned Catholicism. But to please the rest of the still Catholic family we had the funeral at a church.

I gave the eulogy, but before I could speak the priest rambled on about a whole lot of nothing, concluding with the wonderful insight that it was Maggie Thatcher’s birthday! Of all the politicians to name, I think Dad loathed her the most. So when I stepped up to speak, I ripped into him. How dare he! I hope Dad got a giggle out of it.

 

[jmac70]

Walked past a construction site this morning with my dog. Half a dozen tradies standing around in very close proximity to each other, enjoying their morning coffee. Construction is an essential service, but they are still required to follow social distancing. Could they be fined for that behaviour?

 

[JB1975]

This reads like my story!

Not meaning to trivialise it, but here is another example of a priest saying the wrong thing at a funeral. A monsignor in fact, at the funeral of my darling Dad who, like me, had abandoned Catholicism. But to please the rest of the still Catholic family we had the funeral at a church.

I gave the eulogy, but before I could speak the priest rambled on about a whole lot of nothing, concluding with the wonderful insight that it was Maggie Thatcher’s birthday! Of all the politicians to name, I think Dad loathed her the most. So when I stepped up to speak, I ripped into him. How dare he! I hope Dad got a giggle out of it.

These are the lesser sins of the church, but they reek of the sort of arrogance which has come to define it.

I also gave the eulogy. I stuck to my script like a life raft, gave my version of who she was, and I wanted to let the priest know that he'd been wayward in his words but my Grandma's reverence for the man and the ritual held me in check. Still feel bitter about it, to be honest.

 

[jmac70]

This reads like my story!

Not meaning to trivialise it, but here is another example of a priest saying the wrong thing at a funeral. A monsignor in fact, at the funeral of my darling Dad who, like me, had abandoned Catholicism. But to please the rest of the still Catholic family we had the funeral at a church.

I gave the eulogy, but before I could speak the priest rambled on about a whole lot of nothing, concluding with the wonderful insight that it was Maggie Thatcher’s birthday! Of all the politicians to name, I think Dad loathed her the most. So when I stepped up to speak, I ripped into him. How dare he! I hope Dad got a giggle out of it.

Good on you VP! Thatcher was evil indeed.

 

[Soups]

Walked past a construction site this morning with my dog. Half a dozen tradies standing around in very close proximity to each other, enjoying their morning coffee. Construction is an essential service, but they are still required to follow social distancing. Could they be fined for that behaviour?

If an L plater can get fined for having a lesson, I’m sure the tradies can get fined as well.

Our company has put in a policy for when you’re traveling to a job you can only have 1 other person in the car and they have to sit in the back. Looks quite odd.

 

[Markfs]

This reads like my story!

Not meaning to trivialise it, but here is another example of a priest saying the wrong thing at a funeral. A monsignor in fact, at the funeral of my darling Dad who, like me, had abandoned Catholicism. But to please the rest of the still Catholic family we had the funeral at a church.

I gave the eulogy, but before I could speak the priest rambled on about a whole lot of nothing, concluding with the wonderful insight that it was Maggie Thatcher’s birthday! Of all the politicians to name, I think Dad loathed her the most. So when I stepped up to speak, I ripped into him. How dare he! I hope Dad got a giggle out of it.

I think churches have maintained ties to non believers because of weddings, funerals, baptisms etc and its really up to non believers to make the break. I'm not criticising you because I understand that especially with a death of a family member, everyone expects a minister or priest to lead the ceremony. But we need to make a break. I just dont see the church changing unless it is completely marginalised. It needs to incorporate women into the organisation beyond just nuns. Church historians will tell you that women were a major part of the church in the early years. The whole organisation is just stuffed.

 

[Vicky Park]

I think churches have maintained ties to non believers because of weddings, funerals, baptisms etc and its really up to non believers to make the break. I'm not criticising you because I understand that especially with a death of a family member, everyone expects a minister or priest to lead the ceremony. But we need to make a break. I just dont see the church changing unless it is completely marginalised. It needs to incorporate women into the organisation beyond just nuns. Church historians will tell you that women were a major part of the church in the early years. The whole organisation is just stuffed.

I have as little to do with a church, or the church, as possible. Sometimes I’m dragged into one because of a family matter, but not without putting up a fight first.

 

[JB1975]

Big hoss hugs mate

Always appreciated, especially as I stew in my isolation chamber.

 

[Markfs]

I have as little to do with a church, or the church, as possible. Sometimes I’m dragged into one because of a family matter, but not without putting up a fight first.

someone close to me many years ago thought we should go to mass on easter and christmas. it was a family tradition for her. I accompanied her at her request. The priest who was actually irish, in his sermon, noted the overfilled church. He said that those who came to mass at easter and thought they were doing enough, should have a good look at themselves. I laughed inside. The companion ended her family tradition and i only returned for my mothers funeral a few years back. of course it was never a question of not going.

 

[JB1975]

I think churches have maintained ties to non believers because of weddings, funerals, baptisms etc and its really up to non believers to make the break. I'm not criticising you because I understand that especially with a death of a family member, everyone expects a minister or priest to lead the ceremony. But we need to make a break. I just dont see the church changing unless it is completely marginalised. It needs to incorporate women into the organisation beyond just nuns. Church historians will tell you that women were a major part of the church in the early years. The whole organisation is just stuffed.

None of my family are Catholic nowadays, either lapsed or never were. Any dealings we've had with the church have been compelled by misfortune, and each occasion had us running back to the hills of heathendom with unseemly haste.

 

[Markfs]

just had a look at the news.com site. an article written by its lifestyle editor. The highlight of her life interviewing a hemsworth. she writes about herd immunity....

"The concept is based around having enough people in a community immunised to an infection or disease, which effectively stops it from spreading and protects those who are unable to vaccinated."

She went on to write that this would be a disaster for australia to take this strategy....to immunise the people?

 

[jathanas]

None of my family are Catholic nowadays, either lapsed or never were. Any dealings we've had with the church have been compelled by misfortune, and each occasion had us running back to the hills of heathendom with unseemly haste.

This describes my family's circumstances. My wife and I were married in church so that we don't upset the parents, my kids will not get married in any "holy place" (if they get married at all).

The days of the church are numbered but their assets remain protected by the state; all this valuable land and treasures beyond our comprehension. Kids everywhere are homeless and starving, economies are faltering...How are these fat robed f****rs helping now? Oh yeah, they're paying for Pell's lawyers.

 

[JB1975]

This describes my family's circumstances. My wife and I were married in church so that we don't upset the parents, my kids will not get maried in any "holy place" (if they get married at all).

The days of the church are numbered but their assets remain protected by the state; all this valuable land and treasures beyond our comprehension. Kids everywhere are homeless and starving, economies are faltering...How are these fat robed f****rs helping now? Oh yeah, they're paying for Pell's lawyers.

I've often admired the Jesuits, and outfits like Jesuit Social Services seem to be animated by a notion that holiness can be found in all people and need not be bestowed by a self-selected caste of self-serving arseholes. But alas, they are the exception.

 

[manicpie]

I am not a Catholic but I think people need to read up on the evidence before they judge Pell. There was a 6 minute window in which he had to rape 2 boys, and the 6 minute window wasn't even that as there were many witnesses that saw Pell in that time frame and he had no chance of doing what he did. This was trial by media and he was a scapegoat for the church. There are plenty of other Preists that are really guilty, but this one was a farce.

 

[sideswipe]

just had a look at the news.com site. an article written by its lifestyle editor. The highlight of her life interviewing a hemsworth. she writes about herd immunity....

"The concept is based around having enough people in a community immunised to an infection or disease, which effectively stops it from spreading and protects those who are unable to vaccinated."

She went on to write that this would be a disaster for australia to take this strategy....to immunise the people?

Didn’t read the article but as a newly-qualified bush immunologist, I can advise that the herd immunity threshold for Covid-19 is said to be 60%. That is 15 million Australians. If 15 mio people catch it over a shortish period the health system wouldn’t cope, plenty would die, likely civil unrest etc. That would be the disaster.



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[sideswipe]

This describes my family's circumstances. My wife and I were married in church so that we don't upset the parents, my kids will not get married in any "holy place" (if they get married at all).

The days of the church are numbered but their assets remain protected by the state; all this valuable land and treasures beyond our comprehension. Kids everywhere are homeless and starving, economies are faltering...How are these fat robed f****rs helping now? Oh yeah, they're paying for Pell's lawyers.

Many might find themselves soon unwittingly returning to the Church in the form of seeking assistance from certain Catholic church-backed institutions going by the names of St.Vs, Cabrini, Mercy, etc. [emoji3]


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[jathanas]

Many might find themselves soon unwittingly returning to the Church in the form of seeking assistance from certain Catholic church-backed institutions going by the names of St.Vs, Cabrini, Mercy, etc. [emoji3]


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Sadly that's true.

Our government will go into debt to help our country through this crisis, I wonder if our "religious/spiritual leaders" will dig that deeply into their pockets?