Roast IF it isn't biased or ncompetent..... THEN it must be inciteful media coverage part II

[RookiePick]

...and the MRO will lose all remaining credibility.

Can't lose what you don't have. Christian is a laughing stock.

 

[FreeTK]

Can't lose what you don't have. Christian is a laughing stock.

True, but this year is especially bad.

We've had 6(?) tribunals this year and 3 have been overturned. That is a shocking outcome for MRO.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Fair decision on Lynch, but it's also handy to have prominent media pundits in your corner as well.

The man who deserved a week was Grimes. Staging for free kicks is a cancer and he is a multiple offender.

 

[ziad]

Fair decision on Lynch, but it's also handy to have prominent media pundits in your corner as well.

The man who deserved a week was Grimes. Staging for free kicks is a cancer and he is a multiple offender.

Gov needs a step ladder so good outcome.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Will anyone have the balls to call out Gil over giving up on a 27,000 people crowd for Thursdays games when he went on a massive sacking spree today? i find it morally repulsive myself

Not to mention his decision to completely excise the aboriginal flag from indigenous round so he doesn't have to pay royalties on every footy jumper he sells.

****ing vapid, soulless corporation.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Happy about this.

I don't want bulldogs or bombers to have any extra motivation when we face off against them.

My hope is the AFL approve us playing Kangaroos at Optus in R18 and we only spend 17 days in QLD.

But that will give us the advantage.

You see how the AFL can't possibly approve of that.

 

[FreeTK]

Not to mention his decision to completely excise the aboriginal flag from indigenous round so he doesn't have to pay royalties on every footy jumper he sells.

******* vapid, soulless corporation.

AFL should be applauded for refusing to pay for something that should be free to access.

The issue is a vexed one and extremely complicated, but a business holding the licensing rights for an artefact of cultural significance such as a flag recognised under legislation as a "flag of national significance" is ****ing vapid and soulless, as you like to say.

 

[jaxxon]

AFL should be applauded for refusing to pay for something that should be free to access.

The issue is a vexed one and extremely complicated, but a business holding the licensing rights for an artefact of cultural significance such as a flag recognised under legislation as a "flag of national significance" is ******* vapid and soulless, as you like to say.

Agreed, and the AFL took the direction based on advice from an indigenous advisory group. The backlash if they had used the logo would have been huge.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Never expected any other outcome, the farce continues.

The only way Lynch was going to be suspended was if one of our stars was cited for something yesterday. Then they would have suspended him too.

You know. To keep things balanced. Can't have a lopsided competition now can we.

 

[Kellythatsit]

AFL should be applauded for refusing to pay for something that should be free to access.

The issue is a vexed one and extremely complicated, but a business holding the licensing rights for an artefact of cultural significance such as a flag recognised under legislation as a "flag of national significance" is ******* vapid and soulless, as you like to say.

Sorry but have to disagree. There was no need to remove the flag from Doug Nicholls round. The AFL completely misrepresented this issue in an effort to make maximum profit.



Harold Thomas, the designer and copyright owner the flag has openly said that it is free for anyone (except nazis and racists). They could have had a hundred aboriginal flags surrounding every ground if they wanted to. As reported, the AFL could have flown the flag, painted it on the oval, even had the players wear it on their guernseys. The AFL just weren't allowed to sell those guernseys unless they paid royalties.

No dice says Gil.

 

[FreeTK]

Sorry but have to disagree. There was no need to remove the flag from Doug Nicholls round. The AFL completely misrepresented this issue in an effort to make maximum profit.

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Harold Thomas, the designer and copyright owner the flag has openly said that it is free for anyone (except nazis and racists). They could have had a hundred aboriginal flags surrounding every ground if they wanted to. As reported, the AFL could have flown the flag, painted it on the oval, even had the players wear it on their guernseys. The AFL just weren't allowed to sell those guernseys unless they paid royalties.

No dice says Gil.

Yep and that is the issue.

WAM is collecting royalties for a flag that has cultural and national significance. Arguably, Thomas should never have been provided with the copyright back in the 90's given he created the flag as part of his role in SA government and products created as public servants belong to the government, not the creator.

Vexed issue but I think the AFL made the right call.

I 100% support the free the flag movement. I get that some people might have other views, but that's just me.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Free the flag is pretty simple - pay the man, but the rights - set it free

 

[FreeTK]

Free the flag is pretty simple - pay the man, but the rights - set it free

But he is refusing to sell it to the government.

Under copyright law, the Federal government is able to compulsorily acquire copyrights of national historical and cultural significance, but that would be extremely controversial for a government to forcefully strip an Aboriginal creator of their property rights against their will (sound familiar?).

Like I said, vexed and contentious.

 

[DanWCE]

But he is refusing to sell it to the government.

Under copyright law, the Federal government is able to compulsorily acquire copyrights of national historical and cultural significance, but that would be extremely controversial for a government to forcefully strip an Aboriginal creator of their property rights against their will (sound familiar?).

Like I said, vexed and contentious.

Would much prefer some sort of Aboriginal rights trust or similar held the copyright instead of a couple of white entrepreneurs holding businesses like AFL to ransom.

 

[Mulldogg]

Would much prefer some sort of Aboriginal rights trust or similar held the copyright instead of a couple of white entrepreneurs holding businesses like AFL to ransom.

Amen to this

 

[Marlin01]

Would much prefer some sort of Aboriginal rights trust or similar held the copyright instead of a couple of white entrepreneurs holding businesses like AFL to ransom.

Yeah. Those trusts never hold big businesses to ransom.

 

[Kellythatsit]

Would much prefer some sort of Aboriginal rights trust or similar held the copyright instead of a couple of white entrepreneurs holding businesses like AFL to ransom.

Well they aren’t doing that.

The AFL made the decision to remove the flag from indigenous round themselves. No one forced them to.

 

[West Coast 06]

But he is refusing to sell it to the government.

Under copyright law, the Federal government is able to compulsorily acquire copyrights of national historical and cultural significance, but that would be extremely controversial for a government to forcefully strip an Aboriginal creator of their property rights against their will (sound familiar?).

Like I said, vexed and contentious.

I thought he had already sold the rights to a corporation?

 

[FreeTK]

I thought he had already sold the rights to a corporation?

He's licensed them to exclusively use the flag on clothing.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Would much prefer some sort of Aboriginal rights trust or similar held the copyright instead of a couple of white entrepreneurs holding businesses like AFL to ransom.

an indigenous man still owns the rights

White entrepreneurs have bought a license for clothing

for every other purpose other than clothing - it’s still indigenous owned

And I believe it remains free to use for all non-commercial purposes. The afl only fell foul when they couldn’t commercialise the jumper

they could have painted the circle, they could have flown flags, they could have played with the indigenous flag

they simply couldn’t sell jumpers with it on for profit without paying a royalty

the afl have done well in the PR argument - but the reality is this isn’t as agregious as it first sounded

need to convince the owner to sell it to an aboriginal trust as you say - happy to use taxpayer money for that

but here’s the kicker - if we want to empower indigenous people to make decisions for themselves - we have to accept we may not like the outcomes

the aboriginal flag is a case in point. As was the rio Tinto mining rights

it’s a point Ben Wyatt brilliantly made

 

[DanWCE]

an indigenous man still owns the rights

White entrepreneurs have bought a license for clothing

for every other purpose other than clothing - it’s still indigenous owned

And I believe it remains free to use for all non-commercial purposes. The afl only fell foul when they couldn’t commercialise the jumper

they could have painted the circle, they could have flown flags, they could have played with the indigenous flag

they simply couldn’t sell jumpers with it on for profit without paying a royalty

the afl have done well in the PR argument - but the reality is this isn’t as agregious as it first sounded

need to convince the owner to sell it to an aboriginal trust as you say - happy to use taxpayer money for that

but here’s the kicker - if we want to empower indigenous people to make decisions for themselves - we have to accept we may not like the outcomes

the aboriginal flag is a case in point. As was the rio Tinto mining rights

it’s a point Ben Wyatt brilliantly made

The same white folks who bought the license (they own all of them, by the way, as they have a souvenir business also) are the ones who were buying Aboriginal art and replicating them via Indonesian manufacturing and selling them as authentic - to the tune of a $2.3Mn ACCC fine. Then they liquidated the business and started up again and obtained said licenses. So forgive me if I don't trust their ethics or business practices.

 

[ziad]

The same white folks who bought the license (they own all of them, by the way, as they have a souvenir business also) are the ones who were buying Aboriginal art and replicating them via Indonesian manufacturing and selling them as authentic - to the tune of a $2.3Mn ACCC fine. Then they liquidated the business and started up again and obtained said licenses. So forgive me if I don't trust their ethics or business practices.

Like the indigenous man who owns the barge service to the York Peninsular and uses his influence to block the building of an all weather road.

Life goes on so dont fall of the high horse. We all eek out a living and have our own ethics.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

The same white folks who bought the license (they own all of them, by the way, as they have a souvenir business also) are the ones who were buying Aboriginal art and replicating them via Indonesian manufacturing and selling them as authentic - to the tune of a $2.3Mn ACCC fine. Then they liquidated the business and started up again and obtained said licenses. So forgive me if I don't trust their ethics or business practices.

I don’t trust them either

I’m just saying it’s not for us to decide who an indigenous person or corporation deals with

autonomy to control their own destiny means they get to make good and bad decisions like everyone else

 

[DanWCE]

I don’t trust them either

I’m just saying it’s not for us to decide who an indigenous person or corporation deals with

autonomy to control their own destiny means they get to make good and bad decisions like everyone else

That's fair. I just hope Harold hasn't been taken advantage of.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

That's fair. I just hope Harold hasn't been taken advantage of.

I am happy to admit I am an unabashed fan of Ben Wyatt.

I was equally perturbed when i head Rio had destroyed ancient indigenous paintings.

But Bey Wyatt made a good point in the paper - if we are to entrust the indigenous people to govern their future - we have to accept their decisions. That means when a collective group of indigenous leaders ok's a project like that - we may hate it - but it's their call - not ours. I know numerous indigenous people got up in arms - but ultimately it was an indigenous call.

In saying all that - Rio should know better - those things are irreplaceable - i know i went searching for ancient frescos in Turkey - having those in our backyard are priceless.