Improver - Trade - Delist - Retire

[Stiffy_18]

Since its a quiet week as far as footy is concerned I thought it would be a good time to see who do you think are the most improved players, likely trade bait, delsiting material and who is/are about to retire at the end of the year. Here is my stab that might raise a few eyebrows.

Improvers

Ian Perrie by a country mile. Has been a lone hand inour forward line for a fair chunk of the season and done well. He is still dropping a few simple marks but is holding a lot more. His kicking for goal has improved after intense sessions wwith Darren Jarman.

Kris Massie seems to have improved on last year. His last 5-6 games have been very good. He has been veryconsistent and has gatherred plenty of possesions accross half-back and has provided plenty of run from the backlines. Looks to be a 200 game player.

Trade Bait

Michael Doughty seems to be the one that could be sacrifised for a KPP or a ruckman. Dogga has some trade value and is a good player who is struggling to keep his spot in the best 22. I don't see him in our best 22 but he certainly could be a walk up start in a lot of other sides. There is some trading currency here and could be used come trade time period

James Gallagher is another one who might be put up as trade bait. His trade value would not be as good as Doughty's but he is not that far behind Dogga as far as football ability is concerned. He would be traded if we could get something of equal value in return but I think it would be better to hold on to him for a while longer.

Brent Reilly but only if he decides to go. I would like us to keep him but if he decieds to leave he would probably be best trade bait we could come up with. Could be our ticket to a higher pick. AFC are keen to sign him up but its up to him to decide.

Ben Marsh funnily enough has some trade value IMO. He would be worth a 3rd round pick for a club that desperately need a ruckman. Collingwood, Essendon and maybe even Western Bulldogs could be interested. He will only be traded if we do manage to get our hands on another ruckman.

Chris Ladhams could be considered but only if we are big time winners. Still has the best footy in front of him and has cemented a place in our 22.

Martin Mattner Any takers please? This boy is REALLY starting to annoy me. Plays very well for Sturt but gets creamed when he pulls on a Crows guernsey.

Ian Perrie could also be a good trade bait if we are to address our deficiencies. His value would have risen dramatically this year and teams like Bulldogs and Geelong would like a player like him in their team. I think Perrie will only be traded if we get a really good deal. A good draft pick or a ruckman or another KPP in return.


In Danger of being Delisted

Ben Nelson is as good as gone. Doesn't have what it takes to make it and the only chance he has at cracking it into the side is if we are REALLY struggling with injuries. With all the injuries we have had so far he was unable to get a game. This speaks volumes.

Matthew Smith has been on the list for a few years. Hasn't really pushed for selection. Even tho the move to Sturt turned out to be a positive, he would have to have a blinder of 2nd half of the season to keep his spot.

Daniel Schell no need for explaination here. We all know what he is capable or more to the point NOT CAPABLE of.

Andrew Crowell unfortunatly looks shaky. Knee reco couldn't have come at a warst time for him. I still think he should be kept on but i don't hink AFC will be that sympathetic.


Retire

Mark Bickley is certain to retire. Made it pretty clear that this will be his final year even tho I think he is playing better footy than last year.


Shopping List

Ruckman I think this is our number 1 priority. We are in great need of a young ruckman.

KPP preferably CHF. Whether we trade or draft I think CHF is a must considering Stevo is considering retirement in a year or 2. We better cover our arses here.

Small Defender A tight checking small defender capable of playing well on lively small forwards that give us a lot og grief.


Here is where I will get shot down (especially by Kane McGoodwin ):

Ben Marsh will probably stay on for another year simple because I find it almost impossible to get 2 ruckman. IMHO the best plan would be to Trade/Draft for one ruckman this year and keep Marsh on the list for another year. In 2005 you get rid of Marsh and trade/Draft another young ruckman. I feel we should have drafted or traded for a ruckman last year and done the same thing this year. That way Marsh would be gone at the end of the year. I honestly think that you need 4 ruckman on your list these days. We got away with one ruckman against Melbourne but had we player aginst a team with better ruckman we would have been creamed. We only need to look at the Hawthorn game.



Thoughts??????

 

[RaDaR ReiLLy]

Well i've already put my 2 cents in about Reilly, so i wont go there (plus you know how I feel about that!)

Kris Massie has been great for us since coming back. I reckon he should remain on our list FOR SURE (plus any dude that lives with Reilly is a legend)

Ian Perrie has been an absolute suprise packet (especially goal kicking wise) - will continue to improve. Dont see where you are coming about him being trade bait though. He is far to valuable to the club in terms of marking ability.

I reckon AFC will delist Ben Marsh, he has underachieved, even with the opportunites he has been given. He will stay in the SANFl where he belongs!

Andrew Crowell, unfortunately, looks like the one we will for sure be de-listing. A season ending injury has not, and will not, give him the opportunity to play more games.

 

[tribey]

Can't fault that assessment as I agree with everything you've said.

The only addition to the shopping list would be a top notch key defender - something we've always lacked (with the exception of the Caveman) when faced with the Lockett's, Rocca's, Ablett's, Carey's, Cummings', Lynch's, Tarrant's, Tredrea's and Cornes' of this world.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Improvers

Ian Perrie
Kris Massie
Ken McGregor
Jason Torney

Trade Bait

See Below

In Danger of being Delisted


Ben Nelson
Matthew Smith
Daniel Schell
Andrew Crowell
& anybody else that doesnt get a run during the year, even the likes of Hentschel

Retirees


Mark Bickley
Nigel Smart
If we win a flag it could grow by one

Shopping List


Priority One should be a Key Defender (to groom for Smarts replacement)

Prioritys two and three can be debated but we do need a strong and pacy defender ala Archer

 

[AngelEyes]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18

Trade Bait

Michael Doughty seems to be the one that could be sacrifised for a KPP or a ruckman. Dogga has some trade value and is a good player who is struggling to keep his spot in the best 22. I don't see him in our best 22 but he certainly could be a walk up start in a lot of other sides. There is some trading currency here and could be used come trade time period

I know the Kangaroo officals were eyeing him last year. It will be interesting if they decide to go for him this year.....wouldn't want to see him go though
Although, Does his contract run out at the end of the year?

 

[DaveW]

No one has mentioned Johncock has as an improver. Or is that just to be expected of a second year player? He's improved from a pocket/flanker who's in and out of the game to almost a midfielder who gets plenty of the ball.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by DaveW
No one has mentioned Johncock has as an improver. Or is that just to be expected of a second year player? He's improved from a pocket/flanker who's in and out of the game to almost a midfielder who gets plenty of the ball.

Has a long way to go - Some of his games have been ordinary.

 

[ajmart]

I agree with Jars 458. I think Stiffy has been a tad disappointing this year.

I think I would now prefer to have Sarge kicking for goal for my life than Stiffy!

Cheer,

a.j.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Improver - Trade - Delist - Retire

Originally posted by AngelEyes
I know the Kangaroo officals were eyeing him last year. It will be interesting if they decide to go for him this year.....wouldn't want to see him go though
Although, Does his contract run out at the end of the year?

Yes he is out of contract AngelEyes and with our excess of outside players he is one quality flanker that could be used as a trade bait. I reckon he would walk up into Kangaroos side. As to what we could get from Kangaroos in return, I am thinking one of Hale, McIntosh or Petrie.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
No one has mentioned Johncock has as an improver. Or is that just to be expected of a second year player? He's improved from a pocket/flanker who's in and out of the game to almost a midfielder who gets plenty of the ball.

He started like a house on fire but then he lost his way somewhat. Last week he got back into form. He has been a bit too inconsistent for my liking so far this year. He has improved but not as much as it appeared in the 1st couple of rounds.

 

[snakebite01]

I think Stiffy has done his job this year. He has only played 35 games so I think he is doing pretty well. He is averaging almost 18 possessions a games this year which would be in our top 6-10 possession getters. I think that he is rebounding well and whilst I agree he hasn't been as consistent as I would have liked, it is common for a second/third year player to do this. I agree though ajmart, his kicking for goal does need a bit of improvement.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Improvers
Perrie, Massie, Torney (compared to Richmond), Clarke

Need a kick up the arse & lift their game
Goodwin (when he returns), Ladhams

Trade
Anyone is tradeable for a price, but it would need to be an unbelievable deal for the likes of Macca, Roo, Hart, etc - the cornerstones of our club.

We should be looking to trade away players of reasonable quality where we have depth - ie. the midfield - to sure up our weaker areas, to have a better balanced squad. We have too many wingmen & I would prefer to keep Reilly (if he wants to stay), so Doughty, Gallagher, Ladhams, Bode, Mattner, Schuback are all tradeable if the deal benefits the club (although I reckon Ladhams is in the same situation as Begley, that he won't leave SA).

Delist
Marsh, Schell, Nelson, Shirley & perhaps Crowell. If we can trade any of these it's a bonus.

Retire
Bickley & we will miss him more than we know.

Shopping List
In order of priority:
1. 2 ruckmen - trade for a useful backup to Clarke/Biglands & draft one with our 1st pick if possible.
2. Key Forward - given that Stevens may soon need to move to defence (there is not as much need for a key defender), Carey won't be around in a few years, we need to find help for Sarge (on top of Rutten/Hentschel).
3. Remedy the balance of the side depending on what we have traded / drafted.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
...so Doughty, Gallagher, Ladhams, Bode, Mattner, Schuback are all tradeable if the deal benefits the club (although I reckon Ladhams is in the same situation as Begley, that he won't leave SA)..

It would have to be something bloody awsome for us to trade an in and under player like Bode especially as Bickley is retiring at the end of the year.

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
1. 2 ruckmen - trade for a useful backup to Clarke/Biglands & draft one with our 1st pick if possible.

That is a bit too optimistic. No club will trade a ruckman of good quality unless they rip you off big time. Good ruckman have unbelievably high trade value. 2 ruckman in one year is a bit too hopeful IMHO. I think we will have to use the draft to improve our rucking stocks unless one of the SA born ruckman decide to come home.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
It would have to be something bloody awsome for us to trade an in and under player like Bode especially as Bickley is retiring at the end of the year.

That is a bit too optimistic. No club will trade a ruckman of good quality unless they rip you off big time. Good ruckman have unbelievably high trade value. 2 ruckman in one year is a bit too hopeful IMHO. I think we will have to use the draft to improve our rucking stocks unless one of the SA born ruckman decide to come home.

Stiffy, I don't belive we need to trade for a great ruckman, just someone who could back up either Clarke or Biglands if the other went down & give us some time to develop a draftee. Also, agree we would need to get something decent for Bode, but is it worth if we got a reasonable ruckman?

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I don't belive we need to trade for a great ruckman, just someone who could back up either Clarke or Biglands

If that's all you want, we have Marsh.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
If that's all you want, we have Marsh.

Exactly my point

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Also, agree we would need to get something decent for Bode, but is it worth if we got a reasonable ruckman?

In a word NO!!!!!!

The only way Bode would be worth trading is if we are to get a gun KPP or a gun ruckman. Otherwise, we are robbing Peter to pay Paul. As things stand now Bode is a VERY valuable member of our midfield. Once Bicks retires Bode's value to team structure will increase greatly.

 

[ant]

Marsh can't even do that properly though.

 

[DaveW]

Am I the only one on this board who thinks Marsh IS a reasonable ruckman (or thereabouts)?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
Am I the only one on this board who thinks Marsh IS a reasonable ruckman (or thereabouts)?

The only thing reasonable is if AFC departed company with Marsh. We need another ruckman who can play a half-decent game of footy. Marsh is crap & must go. We don't need a gun ruckman such as Darcy, King, Gardiner, etc, but we need someone who will at least give us a contest if we are missing one Biglands or Clarke. If this means trading another reasonable (not a gun) midfielder, then so be it.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
Am I the only one on this board who thinks Marsh IS a reasonable ruckman (or thereabouts)?

I say he is a reasonable tap ruckman who is not too bad a back up to Clarke/Biglands combo. Thats why I suggested we draft/trade for young ruckman and keep Marsh on the list next year. The year after that we repeat the process and say goodbye to Marsh.

I thought he was OK against Hawks before he got injured.

We all seem to be forgetting that Marsh was our 2nd ruckman in 2001 and he had a good season that year.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
The only thing reasonable is if AFC departed company with Marsh. We need another ruckman who can play a half-decent game of footy. Marsh is crap & must go. We don't need a gun ruckman such as Darcy, King, Gardiner, etc, but we need someone who will at least give us a contest if we are missing one Biglands or Clarke. If this means trading another reasonable (not a gun) midfielder, then so be it.

To me you're asking us to pay a huge price for a guy who's going to be only barely better than Marsh.

 

[Go South]

God forbid Doughty is traded.

I'm sick to death of unpicking bloody guernsey numbers.

 

[Blues_Girl]

Originally posted by Go South
God forbid Doughty is traded.

I'm sick to death of unpicking bloody guernsey numbers.

Nanna would throttle someone!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
To me you're asking us to pay a huge price for a guy who's going to be only barely better than Marsh.

I agree with you on this one Dave.

One thing is for sure we cannot go into next year with only 3 ruckman. We need a youngster to develop. Its not secret that I don't like Marsh much but we just don't get a ruckman for the sake of getting one. We need to be smart about how we go about improving our rucking stocks. Getting 2 ruckman in one year is almost impossible IMHO and chances are if you get 2 one of them is a hack.