informal trade proposal

[knightwheelrqr]

I understand that Melbourne have drafted 2 young long term prospect ruckman being: Jack Fitzpatrick and Max Gawn.

But your current rucks being: Paul Johnson and Mark Jamar are not really AFL quality ruckman. Which leads me onto my proposal.

For Collingwood with the addition of Jolly, we now have a surplus of AFL quality ruckman in Jolly, Fraser and Wood. Then we have recruited Shae McNamara who could well break into the side as early as this year and then Lachlan Keeffe who is developing well. So with this said, if I was Collingwood I would consider trading one of these ruckman at the right price. So my choice would be Cameron Wood, as he is young enough to play for another 10 years, but also AFL ready enough to become the no.1 ruckman instantly at a club. During the 2009 season he started out in the reserves but came along significantly to the extent that in many peoples eyes he has become Collingwood's no.1 ruckman due to his very strong finals series and several very strong efforts (well no.2 now that Jolly has arrived).

So my trade proposal would be:

Cameron Wood for Luke Tapscott.

I have no idea what the Melbourne Football Club has planned with Tapscott. But for Collingwood because he is a ready made player he would be the type of guy we would be looking for considering our premiership window is now open.

Cameron Wood was a first round draft pick for Brisbane and got traded to Collingwood for a first round draft pick due to lack of opportunities he was getting (behind Charman, Clarke and Leuenberger at the time). Tapscott was pick 18 (first round), which means that Tapscott would be around the mark in terms of value, and I'm pretty sure Melbourne would be willing to take a ruckman who could immediately step in, have an impact and instantly become the no.1 ruckman for the club while Gawn and Fitzpatrick develop. He will be a 10 year, 1st ruck quality player.

Just interested to know from Melbourne fans whether they would go ahead with this trade?

Because otherwise likely he would be traded to Gold Coast 17 for a 1st round draft pick (likely a KPD). Collingwood lack big bodied type match winners and with Medhurst and others not being young he would be a player I would consider targetting in the Wood exchange.

 

[Spirit of 39]

Sorry, I just vomitted in my mouth after reading that.

 

[Wise Guy Sam]

Thats like asking me to give you my magnum ice cream on a hot day for your dead rat on a stick.

Jamar had a really impressive year when not injured. PJ is *ahem not my fav, but Meesen or Spencer can play as our 2nd ruck till Gawn grows some more . I doubt Melbourne would play Fitzy in the ruck. I think he will boost our forward line.

Tapscott looks the goods from the footage I've seen. I think we will just hold on to him, K thanks bye.

 

[The Dr]

I know it's a hypothetical, but it's a bit early to start proposing trades isn't it??!!

With little thought, I'd say no to that trade. Don't rate Wood that highly and would like to see what Tapscott has to offer.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

So I'm guessing you guys clearly didn't watch Wood in the 2nd half of season 2009?

Take a look at him in 2010. See what you think, then make a judgement. He is quality. Will be a 1st ruck for 10 years from all indications and is ready to take over now.

Would be interested to hear from people who have actually watched his games.

Also for an indication of how much he is loved and rated at Collingwood feel free to check out the Collingwood boards. He is no dud.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=667023

 

[Demon 16]

GC 17 already have some pretty decent ruck prospects on their list, but I guess they would need someone to play the role in year 1.

Melbourne have pretty big wraps on Tapscott however. We were surprised he lasted to pick 18, and he's apparantly making quite an impression at training.

We do have several players vying for a similar position in Maric and Wonnamaerri particularly, and we would love another decent ruck prospect to replace Johnson (Jamar is not that bad imo).

I would not proceed with this trade however as I dont rate Wood high enough. He is young but I think he turns 23 next year and hasnt cemented a regular spot in the 2 clubs hes already played at. If Collingwood rated him as an AFL ruckman, I would suggest they might have held off on getting Jolly.

 

[BigSexc]

 

[Demon 16]

Would you take Daniel Bell or Paul Johnson for Wood?

 

[The Dr]

So I'm guessing you guys clearly didn't watch Wood in the 2nd half of season 2009?

Take a look at him in 2010. See what you think, then make a judgement. He is quality. Will be a 1st ruck for 10 years from all indications and is ready to take over now.

Would be interested to hear from people who have actually watched his games.

Also for an indication of how much he is loved and rated at Collingwood feel free to check out the Collingwood boards. He is no dud.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=667023

I have seen a fair bit of Wood (his game at Subi where he held his own against Cox especially impressive) so before you go shouting your mouth off, maybe just respect our opinions. He's a promising mobile ruckman but I'd prefer to keep Tapscott.

 

[Spirit of 39]

So I'm guessing you guys clearly didn't watch Wood in the 2nd half of season 2009?

Take a look at him in 2010. See what you think, then make a judgement. He is quality. Will be a 1st ruck for 10 years from all indications and is ready to take over now.

Would be interested to hear from people who have actually watched his games.

Also for an indication of how much he is loved and rated at Collingwood feel free to check out the Collingwood boards. He is no dud.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=667023

Mate, Cam Woods goes okay. But if he is as loved as you say, why would you trade him? Plus, our rucks aren't that bad. Have you watched them closely????

The sky is the limit for young Lukey T.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

I know it's a hypothetical, but it's a bit early to start proposing trades isn't it??!!

With little thought, I'd say no to that trade. Don't rate Wood that highly and would like to see what Tapscott has to offer.

The reason I suggest Tapscott is that Collingwood were looking at him with pick 14 (had we retained the pick) and that is Wood's worth.

Tapscott's pros are: Big body, big kick.
Cons: lack of speed, stamina.
Player comparison: Luke Hodge *Likewise not nearly the same level of ability, but big kick, big body, just nowhere near the same level of speed or stamina and don't see him being anywhere near as dominant, but has some similiar attributes*

Wood's pros are: Tall (204cm), not a bad set shot at goal, very agile for someone of his size.
Cons: probably could put on some more size (was skinny build, but not bad now *102kg*), skills good for a ruckman but can see him improving still in that area, could improve his ruckwork some more to become a dominant ruckman.
Player comparison: Dean Cox *type of player, not yet that level of ability obviously. Would still need to get more hitouts to become that good*

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

No, but we'll let you have Simon Buckley for a late draft pick.

 

[Spirit of 39]

The reason I suggest Tapscott is that Collingwood were looking at him with pick 14 (had we retained the pick) and that is Wood's worth.

Tapscott's pros are: Big body, big kick.
Cons: lack of speed, stamina.
Player comparison: Luke Hodge *Likewise not nearly the same level of ability, but big kick, big body, just nowhere near the same level of speed or stamina and don't see him being anywhere near as dominant, but has some similiar attributes*

Wood's pros are: Tall (204cm), not a bad set shot at goal, very agile for someone of his size.
Cons: probably could put on some more size (was skinny build, but not bad now *102kg*), skills good for a ruckman but can see him improving still in that area, could improve his ruckwork some more to become a dominant ruckman.
Player comparison: Dean Cox *type of player, not yet that level of ability obviously. Would still need to get more hitouts to become that good*

Untried, potential gun who may play immediately compared to another ruckman who occassionally contributes to games. Take your black and white blinkers off.

 

[Spirit of 39]

No, but we'll let you have Simon Buckley for a late draft pick.

Lol. I hope we don't regret letting Bucks go....

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Mate, Cam Woods goes okay. But if he is as loved as you say, why would you trade him? Plus, our rucks aren't that bad. Have you watched them closely????

The sky is the limit for young Lukey T.

I wouldn't go out of my way to make unrealistic trade proposals. I would go as far as saying that your ruck stocks are the weakest in the competition and if you want a premiership you will need a serious upgrade (which wasn't available in this draft due to poor ruck prospects, nor will it be over the next couple of years either when Gold Coast 17 and Western Sydney 18 dominate the high draft picks and specialise in quality ruckman and KPP's). So this would be your way to get a ruckman in the right age bracket who will still be around and playing great footy when your team is up the top of the competition.

Why I suggest trading Wood from a Collingwood perspective is that we have 3 AFL quality ruckman: Jolly, Wood and Fraser, who could all play as no.1 ruckman at an AFL club (Fraser perhaps more no.2 quality). But restricting Wood to a no.2 role to Jolly would mean that he would not get the opportunities he would at a club such as Melbourne, where he would be walk in No.1 ruckman. Wood is worth a 1st round draft pick easily, was a 1st round draft pick, was traded for a 1st round draft pick and is now a 21/22 Y/O ruckman who is comming into his own and is ready to become a no.1 ruckman at a club, which behind Jolly (who played to an AA stardard in 2009 probably won't get the chance to play as no.1 ruck). I would personally like to see him go somewhere where he can play in the no.1 ruck.

Being this quality naturally I want something in return. I rate Tapscott and I am aware Collingwood do also. Hence my proposal. Tapscott is a forward flanker, don't see him playing as a midfielder and at Collingwood I wouldn't put him in that role. Doesn't have the pace or stamina to be able to. But with Medhurst and Davis nearing 30 I would like to see someone else we can add to our forwardline, and Tapscott structurally would be a good fit for Collingwood as Wood would be for Melbourne.

So I would consider it a win - win personally for both clubs.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

I have seen a fair bit of Wood (his game at Subi where he held his own against Cox especially impressive) so before you go shouting your mouth off, maybe just respect our opinions. He's a promising mobile ruckman but I'd prefer to keep Tapscott.

That's fine.

Just sounding out opinions.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

GC 17 already have some pretty decent ruck prospects on their list, but I guess they would need someone to play the role in year 1.

Melbourne have pretty big wraps on Tapscott however. We were surprised he lasted to pick 18, and he's apparantly making quite an impression at training.

We do have several players vying for a similar position in Maric and Wonnamaerri particularly, and we would love another decent ruck prospect to replace Johnson (Jamar is not that bad imo).

I would not proceed with this trade however as I dont rate Wood high enough. He is young but I think he turns 23 next year and hasnt cemented a regular spot in the 2 clubs hes already played at. If Collingwood rated him as an AFL ruckman, I would suggest they might have held off on getting Jolly.

The idea of Jolly was because Fraser was getting smashed every week in the ruck and has an estimated listspan of 2-3 years more probably. Wood was only introduced into the side as a regular in the second half of 2009.

So the ruck combination would be Jolly + Wood. Fraser from indications will only make the side if he can play on a forward flank which some are incredibly optimistic about.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Would you take Daniel Bell or Paul Johnson for Wood?

Not unless they were expiring contracts and it came with Jack Watts/ Tom Scully?

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Lol. I hope we don't regret letting Bucks go....

Don't mind Buckley personally. Word has it Collingwood are trying to make him into a tagger, so will be interested to see how that works out. Has a big body and funnily enough might be playing for Nathan in a few years.

At the moment he is a 50/50 chance. Don't think he will do much in 2010, but 2011 onwards he will get his chances I think.

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

In all seriousness, I'm glad that you rate our youngsters so highly. Still open to offers, but Luke Tapscott is off the table.
I think Fraser is past it, should pension him off like we did with Jeff White. Wood and Jolly should be your 1st and 2nd ruckmen IMO.
And good luck to Bucks. Was disappointed to see him go, so many more worthy candidates for a delisting.

 

[Demon Revival]

I wouldn't go out of my way to make unrealistic trade proposals. I would go as far as saying that your ruck stocks are the weakest in the competition and if you want a premiership you will need a serious upgrade (which wasn't available in this draft due to poor ruck prospects, nor will it be over the next couple of years either when Gold Coast 17 and Western Sydney 18 dominate the high draft picks and specialise in quality ruckman and KPP's). So this would be your way to get a ruckman in the right age bracket who will still be around and playing great footy when your team is up the top of the competition.

Why I suggest trading Wood from a Collingwood perspective is that we have 3 AFL quality ruckman: Jolly, Wood and Fraser, who could all play as no.1 ruckman at an AFL club (Fraser perhaps more no.2 quality). But restricting Wood to a no.2 role to Jolly would mean that he would not get the opportunities he would at a club such as Melbourne, where he would be walk in No.1 ruckman. Wood is worth a 1st round draft pick easily, was a 1st round draft pick, was traded for a 1st round draft pick and is now a 21/22 Y/O ruckman who is comming into his own and is ready to become a no.1 ruckman at a club, which behind Jolly (who played to an AA stardard in 2009 probably won't get the chance to play as no.1 ruck). I would personally like to see him go somewhere where he can play in the no.1 ruck.

Being this quality naturally I want something in return. I rate Tapscott and I am aware Collingwood do also. Hence my proposal. Tapscott is a forward flanker, don't see him playing as a midfielder and at Collingwood I wouldn't put him in that role. Doesn't have the pace or stamina to be able to. But with Medhurst and Davis nearing 30 I would like to see someone else we can add to our forwardline, and Tapscott structurally would be a good fit for Collingwood as Wood would be for Melbourne.

So I would consider it a win - win personally for both clubs.

Throw Pendlebury into the deal, then we MAY talk more......

 

[knightwheelrqr]

In all seriousness, I'm glad that you rate our youngsters so highly. Still open to offers, but Luke Tapscott is off the table.
I think Fraser is past it, should pension him off like we did with Jeff White. Wood and Jolly should be your 1st and 2nd ruckmen IMO.
And good luck to Bucks. Was disappointed to see him go, so many more worthy candidates for a delisting.

If Fraser was to be traded it would be to Adelaide/ Hwthorn/ Western Bull Dogs or another contendor. He will have limited trade value due to limited remaining lifespan. For Melbourne ofcourse he wouldn't make sense. He won't be around for your next premiership, so he would be a waste of time and I wouldn't suggest that either.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Throw Pendlebury into the deal, then we MAY talk more......

Wouldn't trade Pendlebury anyone on your list. He is our next captain 3-4 years down the track when Maxwell retires.

Not saying Watts, Scully, Trengove won't become better players than Pendlebury for a minute. But would not trade him as he is going into his prime, and with our premiership window being open now it makes no sense to trade away our best player for a 1st or 2nd year player, regardless of quality.

Thanks anyway

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

If Fraser was to be traded it would be to Adelaide/ Hwthorn/ Western Bull Dogs or another contendor. He will have limited trade value due to limited remaining lifespan. For Melbourne ofcourse he wouldn't make sense. He won't be around for your next premiership, so he would be a waste of time and I wouldn't suggest that either.

Wasn't suggesting at all that we take him. My thinking was pretty much the same as yours. I'd say Hawthorn, you'd easily get an early pick for him from them. Look at what they paid for an injured over-the-hill Burgoyne (Pick 9 to Port, Mark Williams to Essendon).

As for forwards, I think Steele Sidebottom is more than capable. I understand Brad Dick is injured, but I saw what he's capable of during the Queens Birthday match.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Wasn't suggesting at all that we take him. My thinking was pretty much the same as yours. I'd say Hawthorn, you'd easily get an early pick for him from them. Look at what they paid for an injured over-the-hill Burgoyne (Pick 9 to Port, Mark Williams to Essendon).

As for forwards, I think Steele Sidebottom is more than capable. I understand Brad Dick is injured, but I saw what he's capable of during the Queens Birthday match.

Sidebottom projects as a midfielder. He has a huge tank and we plan to fully use that.

I like Tapscott because he would be my ideal replacement for Medhurst. A small guy that plays bigger than his size and can cause a few mismatches every now and then which would be the thing I see in him.

I'm not really sure how Tapscott would fit into your structure, and at pick 18 was obviously best available as opposed to a specific structural selection.

He could develop into a quality player, or might just be a complete disappointment. I see him becomming a best 22 quality player obviously, but not a super star. Just a good role player who can play his part in the team.

One thing over the comming seasons Melbourne will really need to get some quality of will be Rucks and KPPs. Your midfield will be brilliant, but just without those areas filled and strong it will be hard to progress to a premiership quality team. Players like maybe James Sellar (types players) who are 1st round quality should be your targets because due to rediculous depth at their given position on their team they can't crack a regular game, but are still quality enough to step in and have a big time impact.

With the comming drafts it will be hard to find these rucks and KPPs so probably a trade like that would be your best work around.