Intermittent fasting

[showdownhero]

Exactly.

Some have long gone past lifting heavy, and cardio is the ducks nuts for them.

What goal are people striving for when intermittent fasting and engaging in intensive cardio?

 

[IAMDASH]

What goal are people striving for when intermittent fasting and engaging in intensive cardio?

I am lifting two days a week and doing HIIT for 30 minutes one-two days a week.

24-hour fast plus one low carb day.

I am aiming to maintain/increase muscle mass, lift stonger, while losing abdominal fat.

Currently 180cm, 89.5kgs & 38 years of age.

Who thinks I am on the right track?

 

[Bazzar]

What goal are people striving for when intermittent fasting and engaging in intensive cardio?

Internal body health, weight management and overall fitness.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

I am lifting two days a week and doing HIIT for 30 minutes one-two days a week.

24-hour fast plus one low carb day.

I am aiming to maintain/increase muscle mass, lift stonger, while losing abdominal fat.

Currently 180cm, 89.5kgs & 38 years of age.

Who thinks I am on the right track?

Bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro science!

Please research or ask questions, plenty of people willing to help out!

 

[vealesy]

So after a month i finally made it through the 16 hours without lapsing. Black coffee is the necessary evil.

Being a cannabis user, the hardest part is getting through the munchies just on water.

 

[Bazzar]

Being a cannabis user, the hardest part is getting through the munchies just on water.

I doubt their would be anything harder.... pmsl.

Well done though

 

[IAMDASH]

Bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro science!

Please research or ask questions, plenty of people willing to help out!

Thanks for your constructive feedback!

Are implying I am an idiot or I am not going to lose excess weight, which is located around my abdomen, by boxing, weight training and eating properly? If not, how?

Please elaborate.

 

[Bazzar]

Thanks for your constructive feedback!

Are implying I am an idiot or I am not going to lose excess weight, which is located around my abdomen, by boxing, weight training and eating properly? If not, how?

Please elaborate.

He is saying its impossible to spot reduce fat. Plain and simple. Probably more to do with the way you worded your post.

 

[vealesy]

He is saying its impossible to spot reduce fat. Plain and simple.

In A condescending manner.

Its unusual for people to only have belly fat.

Saying you want to lose your gut implies the fat everywhere else too.

No need to be a dick about it.

 

[Bazzar]

In A condescending manner.

Its unusual for people to only have belly fat.

Saying you want to lose your gut implies the fat everywhere else too.

No need to be a dick about it.

Fair call.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

Thanks for your constructive feedback!

Are implying I am an idiot or I am not going to lose excess weight, which is located around my abdomen, by boxing, weight training and eating properly? If not, how?

Please elaborate.

You won't unless you eat a deficit, no.

In A condescending manner.

Its unusual for people to only have belly fat.

Saying you want to lose your gut implies the fat everywhere else too.

No need to be a dick about it.

Pack another cone and relax brother

 

[showdownhero]

I am lifting two days a week and doing HIIT for 30 minutes one-two days a week.

24-hour fast plus one low carb day.

I am aiming to maintain/increase muscle mass, lift stonger, while losing abdominal fat.

Currently 180cm, 89.5kgs & 38 years of age.

Who thinks I am on the right track?

Internal body health, weight management and overall fitness.

You lose fat by what goes in your mouth, not under your feet.

As Berkhan said in the quote I posted above save cardio for when you're no longer calorie deficient. It's impossible to lose fat, stay strong and increase cardiovascular endurance.

 

[Bazzar]

Who made Berkhan God. You carry on like he invented IF.

 

[IAMDASH]

I guess the old saying is "Abs are made in the kitchen".

I'm not looking for a six pack just to reduce excess abdominal fat.

I understand you cannot spot reduce.

I eat clean most of the time and am fasting 24 hours for one day and a low carb diet day once per week to put me into deficit.

Maybe it's not putting me into deficit but f(*&^d if I am giving up red wine, chocolate and vodka over the weekend.

You gotta live life too!

 

[showdownhero]

Who made Berkhan God. You carry on like he invented IF.

The guy has a fair bit of science backing him up. Not to mention common sense, the very act of being calorie deficient is putting your body under stress that combined with the need to repair itself from anaerobic exercise takes a significant toll. Why would you want to compromise your recovery, strength or muscle mass by adding cardio? It doesn't help you lose fat any faster than a simple calorie deficient diet and negates your very reason for being at the gym.

Who wrote your Men's Health June 2012 article?

 

[nicky]

yeah, I'm not a big fan of cardio apart from walking or light swimming on your off days either. You need to recover. Just lift heavy and use iF sensibly. Nothing worse than losing dem gainz.

depends on your goals though.

I'm breezing through a 24 hour fast today.

I don't lift at all and if i did it would be light free weights. I'm doing IF with swimming (that's ok isn't it?), I also do some bike riding (as a consequence of that is how i get around).

 

[evo]

I'm breezing through a 24 hour fast today.

I don't lift at all and if i did it would be light free weights. I'm doing IF with swimming (that's ok isn't it?), I also do some bike riding (as a consequence of that is how i get around).

Yeah that's fine.

But in my opinion you will get even better results if you start lifting some heavy weights as well a few days a week. I think you mentioned that you had a gym membership? At some stage consider maybe doing a few days a week of the compound lifts especially squats. It is the ultimate exercise for improving a girls body composition. Remember that replacing your fat with a bit of extra lean body mass raises your resting metabolism. There's nothing like burning extra calories 24/7

 

[IAMDASH]

Who wrote your Men's Health June 2012 article?

Probably the junior sub editor, who cut and pasted from getbig.com!

 

[showdownhero]

I guess the old saying is "Abs are made in the kitchen".

I'm not looking for a six pack just to reduce excess abdominal fat.

I understand you cannot spot reduce.

I eat clean most of the time and am fasting 24 hours for one day and a low carb diet day once per week to put me into deficit.

Maybe it's not putting me into deficit but f(*&^d if I am giving up red wine, chocolate and vodka over the weekend.

You gotta live life too!

Berkhan's got some great strategies for cheat days too

http://www.leangains.com/2010/11/cheat-day-strategies-for-hedonist.html

 

[nicky]

Yeah that's fine.

But in my opinion you will get even better results if you start lifting some heavy weights as well a few days a week. I think you mentioned that you had a gym membership? At some stage consider maybe doing a few days a week of the compound lifts especially squats. It is the ultimate exercise for improving a girls body composition. Remember that replacing your fat with a bit of extra lean body mass raises your resting metabolism. There's nothing like burning extra calories 24/7

There's a cheap gym near me but will probably just buy some free weights. Canne be bothered with gyms much.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

The guy has a fair bit of science backing him up. Not to mention common sense, the very act of being calorie deficient is putting your body under stress that combined with the need to repair itself from anaerobic exercise takes a significant toll. Why would you want to compromise your recovery, strength or muscle mass by adding cardio? It doesn't help you lose fat any faster than a simple calorie deficient diet and negates your very reason for being at the gym.

Over the past 8 months I've gone from 110kgs to 74kgs, obviously maintaining a calorie deficit pretty much the whole time. I have also gotten stronger and built a pretty solid fitness base from absolutely nothing. I'm no power lifter but I had about 6 months of weights training (free weights, compound lifts) behind me before dropping the weight and I'm stronger now than I was then. On my first run I probably made it about 300m before having to stop and walk and I can now do 6kms comfortably at a pretty solid pace as well as being middle-range in fitness and speed at my new footy club. I'm still going to drop another 2kgs while having pre season training twice a week, weights training twice a week and a running session on the weekend - all on a fairly significant calorie deficit and I feel great.

I thoroughly enjoy Berkhan's writing but I think that's a major overstatement of the stress that a calorie deficit causes. Perhaps cardio could be massively detrimental if you have 5+ years of heavy weights training behind you and your top priority is to hold onto every ounce of muscle, but in 95% of cases, cardio can only be a good thing. It helps build a deficit (either to drop weight quicker or have more freedom in your diet) and obviously has numerous general health benefits as well as massively improving sports performance.

 

[estibador]

Being a cannabis user, the hardest part is getting through the munchies just on water.

I don't mind a smoke occasionally and I've also indulged on fast days while I was on holidays earlier this year.

I find the munchies only set in a few hours after I smoke, so once I started I had to smoke every few hours to keep the hunger at bay.

Luckily I'm pretty productive on weed (as long as I don't have to deal with people in the outside world) so I usually get a shitload done around the house and garden if I spend half a day whacked.

 

[showdownhero]

Over the past 8 months I've gone from 110kgs to 74kgs, obviously maintaining a calorie deficit pretty much the whole time. I have also gotten stronger and built a pretty solid fitness base from absolutely nothing. I'm no power lifter but I had about 6 months of weights training (free weights, compound lifts) behind me before dropping the weight and I'm stronger now than I was then. On my first run I probably made it about 300m before having to stop and walk and I can now do 6kms comfortably at a pretty solid pace as well as being middle-range in fitness and speed at my new footy club. I'm still going to drop another 2kgs while having pre season training twice a week, weights training twice a week and a running session on the weekend - all on a fairly significant calorie deficit and I feel great.

I thoroughly enjoy Berkhan's writing but I think that's a major overstatement of the stress that a calorie deficit causes. Perhaps cardio could be massively detrimental if you have 5+ years of heavy weights training behind you and your top priority is to hold onto every ounce of muscle, but in 95% of cases, cardio can only be a good thing. It helps build a deficit (either to drop weight quicker or have more freedom in your diet) and obviously has numerous general health benefits as well as massively improving sports performance.

At the end of the day I applaud results. However Berkhan's regime is designed to take people into single digit body fat levels whilst still lifting PBs. We aren't really talking about the same kind of fat loss.

For the record cardio does negatively effect your lifting/mass when you're calorie deficient, regardless of experience. And I don't see why I would need more "freedom in my diet" when I get to eat 2000 cals on rest days and 2300 cals on workout days in 2-3 big meals, I get to eat pretty much whatever I want anyway.

 

[vealesy]

I don't mind a smoke occasionally and I've also indulged on fast days while I was on holidays earlier this year.

I find the munchies only set in a few hours after I smoke, so once I started I had to smoke every few hours to keep the hunger at bay.

Luckily I'm pretty productive on weed (as long as I don't have to deal with people in the outside world) so I usually get a shitload done around the house and garden if I spend half a day whacked.

I just did not think of having more weed to help me.

Genius!

 

[Bazzar]

Probably the junior sub editor, who cut and pasted from getbig.com!

Quality posting. Anything else to contribute?

However Berkhan's regime is designed to take people into single digit body fat levels

Hope his methods catch on and the majority of the worlds population can get into single digit body fat levels. The man must be a genius. Nobel peace prize him immediately.