Society/Culture Is antisemitism on the rise?

[The Sultan]

Blacks and gays have been doing the heavy lifting the last few decades, time for the Jews to stand up and cop the blame for all societies ills for a while ..

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Nek Minute:

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

- D. Trump, 5/12/2022

The campaigner is literally threatening to go full Reichstag Fire Decree. The Seppo's are hurtling towards fascism, and half of them either don't realize it or are cheering it on.

The Religious Right over there in the United States will no doubt greet their looming national catastrophe with open arms because it will bring Jesus back.

The Racist Right are slavering at the bit to permanently cancel every shred of culture that isn't their own.

It's disturbing to me that U.S gun culture and the existence of their Constitutional right to well-armed militias will be justified and validated, but the reality of the situation in the United States right now is that the progressive humanitarian left had better make sure they're organised and they're armed and they're ready to protect against what's about to come.

The United States looks into an abyss right now. I think they're going to fall into it, I really do.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Nowadays you have two types of mainstream antisemites.

1. Conspiracy nuts (every single conspiracy boils down to 'the Jews did it' including Qanon, Climate denialism, Deep State, 9/11, Anti-vaxx, Sov-Cits etc), and
2. Neo-Nazis/ Far Right wingers (and I lump fundamentalist Salafi Jihadis and their ilk in the latter group).

Both groups parrot on about a 'cabal of international banking families, globalists and Hollywood Elites (and George Soros), aligned with Socialists and the Left, who run the world and are attempting to erode white culture/ the white race (Islam for the Fundie types) and impose Socialism on us via a program of Cultural Marxism/ Judeo Bolshevism'.

The former group (conspiracists) often don't realize that these 'financiers, bankers and Hollywood elites' are Nazi code for 'the Jews' and that all they're doing is regurgitating antisemitic conspiracies that have been around for centuries.

Many of them are genuinely ignorant of this fact. Many are not.

The latter group (Neo Nazis, Far right wingers, and Islamists), usually know exactly who these 'bankers, financiers and Hollywood elites' are, and in many cases are not afraid to say so directly (unless recruiting online, they like to let their audience 'connect the dots' on their own).

This exact conspiracy above is of course precisely what Hitler thought was 'really going on' and why he hated Jewish people so much. Hitler viewed the world, and human experience through the lens of a 'clash of the cultures/ races' with Jewish people being the secret puppet masters, dividing Europe (and the World) and behind every plot and misfortune of the German people.

He asserted (the long running conspiracy) that powerful Jewish Banking families (who European nobility had relied on for a millennium, when Christian banking wasn't a thing) were the real creators of both Capitalism (why they were so wealthy) and also Socialism/ Communism (Marx and Lenin were both ethnically Jewish). Jewish people controlled the USA and Europe (via Liberal Capitalsim and Banking) and also were behind the Communist uprising and controlled Russia.

He further asserted that Jewish people were also trying to 'replace the white race in Europe' via migration and racial admixture and were using 'Cultural Marxism' to push a 'leftist agenda, and degenerate art and culture' on the White Aryan race. They caused Germanies defeat in WW1 via the 'Stab in the back' conspiracy theory and were behind every misfortune and weakening of Germany and its culture in its history.

Finally, he believed in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' which discussed a 'Secret cabal of wealthy Jewish people, who bred Satanic bloodlines, and practiced blood libel' - the ritual murder and cannibalization of children; clear echoes of which can be seen in the modern Qanon conspiracy theory.

If you do any research into Hitler, what he thought about Jewish people, and why he hated them so much, you'll see the exact same things he thought being echoed by people - nearly word for word - in modern day Conspiracy theories, and Right-Wing forums online everywhere.

It doesnt help when the above conspiracies are made mainstream by people like Tucker Carlson (white replacement) Donald Trump (Qanon) and other Social media grifters

This is why conspiracists (regardless of prior political leanings, before becoming totally cooked) are all leaping over to MAGA s**t and Far Right-wing nonsense, and why Neo Nazis are so keen to lurk on Internet Social Media sites, and at anti Lockdown rallies and the like (they're there to recruit them).

Incels are particularly vulnerable to the above nonsense and are equally easily radicalized to mass murder. New Age types are vulnerable as well (although their radicalization generally just leads to social isolation and generally just spamming stupid memes all over social media).

Both groups are also too ******* stupid to realize this exact line of bullshit conspiracy thinking has been done before, it's not true, and that any time your argument begins or ends with 'Hitler was right' you lose the ******* argument.

Great post. Something interesting I've observed is that the conspiracy kook types generally don't seem to have any particular racial animosity. The Jews are just a standing for reptilian aliens or body snatchers, and most would probably not have an issue with any Jews they know personally (and seem to draw a distinction between actual Jews and the global elite boogeyman.)

However as you say the conspiracy types rarely remain so for long, generally they are very gullible people so long as they are getting information from "non mainstream" sources and they seem very easily radicalised by white nationalism. Conspiracy kooks in general seem to be very easy pickings for the white nationalist brigade on the net.

 

[owen87]

Who makes Steve Gutenberg, a star?

So you define being the most recognisable actor in Police Academy as your prime example of 'banking cabals wielding their great power'?

Really struggling here Marcel.

 

[Malifice]

So you define being the most recognisable actor in Police Academy as your prime example of 'banking cabals wielding their great power'?

Really struggling here Marcel.

His 'link' between the 'Banking cabals' and a bloke called 'Gutenberg' should be pretty ******* obvious to you.

It was to me, and it's an example of antisemitism.

Note to everyone, I wont have antisemitic conspiracy theories being posited in this thread.

 

[Scott Power]

His 'link' between the 'Banking cabals' and a bloke called 'Gutenberg' should be pretty ******* obvious to you.

It was to me, and it's an example of antisemitism.

Note to everyone, I wont have antisemitic conspiracy theories being posited in this thread.

You sure he wasn't just making a stupid Simpson reference?

 

[Lethality]

His 'link' between the 'Banking cabals' and a bloke called 'Gutenberg' should be pretty ******* obvious to you.

It was to me, and it's an example of antisemitism.

Note to everyone, I wont have antisemitic conspiracy theories being posited in this thread.

Apparently it's a line from the Stonecutters song in the Simpsons.

 

[rank and file]

His 'link' between the 'Banking cabals' and a bloke called 'Gutenberg' should be pretty ******* obvious to you.

It was to me, and it's an example of antisemitism.

Note to everyone, I wont have antisemitic conspiracy theories being posited in this thread.

Hope Israel are still fair game for being practitioners of apartheid and fascists.

 

[1990crow]

Anti semitism isnt just the domain of the hard right. Its also the domain of the hard left. See uks labor party under Corbyn or fringe views within the greens party.

the return of nazis in the public domain has also been enabled by the rise of the woke left who started banging on about race as being important to ones identity. Nazis went hell yes we agree with you. our views are now validated again. The liberal left made nazism ideology as outrageous as pedophilia by completely rejecting the notion that race has any importance for behaviour, culture or intelligence whatsoever. A view largely validated by science. but the woke left unknowingly has gone about undoing what the liberal left achieved here.

This has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

 

[Malifice]

Anti semitism isnt just the domain of the hard right. Its also the domain of the hard left. See uks labor party under Corbyn or fringe views within the greens party.

the return of nazis in the public domain has also been enabled by the rise of the woke left who started banging on about race as being important to ones identity. Nazis went hell yes we agree with you. our views are now validated again.

So 'the left' are responsible for Nazis, and Antisemitism now?

Lol.

The liberal left... reject the notion that race has any importance for behaviour, culture or intelligence whatsoever. A view largely validated by science.

We're funny like that. We listen to science.

You know. From climate change, COVID, evolution etc to this.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Opposing Israels actions in Palestine isnt Antisemitic.

Neither is criticism of Israel generally.

True, but Nazis love it!

 

[carltonchelsea]

The Religious Right over there in the United States will no doubt greet their looming national catastrophe with open arms because it will bring Jesus back.

The Racist Right are slavering at the bit to permanently cancel every shred of culture that isn't their own.

It's disturbing to me that U.S gun culture and the existence of their Constitutional right to well-armed militias will be justified and validated, but the reality of the situation in the United States right now is that the progressive humanitarian left had better make sure they're organised and they're armed and they're ready to protect against what's about to come.

The United States looks into an abyss right now. I think they're going to fall into it, I really do.

Agreed, they are completely fractured.
When you have MGT and Santos sitting in the chairs of power, you better get your papers in order and copied, because the likes of them, are about to burn everything that ackchually made America great.
The crazies are in control and I truly don’t see a path out for the those that want a free United States.
The Empire is crumbling before our eyes, and I’m terrified of what’s to come and so we should all be, Democracy is fragile!!

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

Pretty much every state, council, large business is signed up to the IHRA definition of anti-semitism which basically catogorises anyone who criticises anything Israel does as anti-semitic so I guess on paper it is rising. Left wing unions are copping flak for not signing up for it, including mine. I remember a Palestinian solidarity night my union and a few others put on a few years back being viciously attacked in the Jewish News, then the hun the next day. Around the same time we were criticised as terror supporters for hosting a Sinn Fein fundraising night, despite it being nearly 20 years after the Good Friday Agreement lol.

 

[pugsville]

Anti semitism isnt just the domain of the hard right. Its also the domain of the hard left. See uks labor party under Corbyn or fringe views within the greens party.

the return of nazis in the public domain has also been enabled by the rise of the woke left who started banging on about race as being important to ones identity. Nazis went hell yes we agree with you. our views are now validated again. The liberal left made nazism ideology as outrageous as pedophilia by completely rejecting the notion that race has any importance for behaviour, culture or intelligence whatsoever. A view largely validated by science. but the woke left unknowingly has gone about undoing what the liberal left achieved here.

Nope is the "moderate" right which has embraced racism as fundamental issue on which to build electoral success. John Howard desperate to cling to power decided to blow up the convention that immigration was not issue to play politics with here in Australia. It's been a key part of Liberal Party politics ever sconce. Like wise in the US the Republicans have embraced racism as key part of the electoral strategy.

The "Lying Media", "Cultural Marxism", racism, hatred of Government, Anti-intellectualism all part of the current standard conservative playbook now, were all part of the standard Nazi political playbook.

The Nazis got to be power because conservative politics thought they could use them and work with them to achieve their ends.

That said their IS an amount of antisemitism in left (there is also a lot of quite justifible criticis mof Israel that is caled anti0semetism when it is not, but some antisemitism grows out of that), and racism occurs on the left as well at times, (White Austria policy)

 

[mcnulty]

The Jews have been copping it for a couple of thousand years. From everyone. Including trying to wipe them out. There simply aren’t enough of them. Spoke to a Jewish guy recently who said that from their perspective, the pogroms are always coming back. It’s only a matter of time. This I think informs a lot of their thinking on Israel- this is the only way we can fight back.

 

[ferball]

The Jews have been copping it for a couple of thousand years. From everyone. Including trying to wipe them out. There simply aren’t enough of them. Spoke to a Jewish guy recently who said that from their perspective, the pogroms are always coming back. It’s only a matter of time. This I think informs a lot of their thinking on Israel- this is the only way we can fight back.

Its garbage logic to equate the Palestinian resistance with European pogroms.

 

[mcnulty]

Spoke to a Jewish guy recently who said that from their perspective, the pogroms are always coming back. It’s only a matter of time.

That's what I was referring to.

In the context that people are claiming the Gaza situation is in response to a Pogrom on Oct 7th, but it was more of a fight than a bunch of powerful nationalists attacking an ethnic minority.

Yeah. You’re projecting. I didn’t reference the current conflict at all.

 

[ferball]

Yeah. You’re projecting. I didn’t reference the current conflict at all.

No you didn't but plenty of people have and specifically refer to Oct 7th as a pogrom even tho it doesn't appear to be one.

Ask the person you spoke to if they were referring to Oct 7th if you want to be sure.

 

[Blue1980]

Real antisemitism which the right trade in with conspiracy theories of Jewish space lasers, soros running the world, “globalists” etc is something to take seriously.

Anti semitism isn’t criticising Israel for running an apartheid state and blowing the s**t out of Gaza.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

Real antisemitism which the right trade in with conspiracy theories of Jewish space lasers, soros running the world, “globalists” etc is something to take seriously.

Anti semitism isn’t criticising Israel for running an apartheid state and blowing the s**t out of Gaza.

Some of the biggest critics of Israel's actions are Jewish themselves. And have to put up with being told they are not "real" Jews and the like.

Why Jewish Voice for Peace Says ‘Not in Our Name’

Jewish Voice for Peace doesn’t just oppose the war in Gaza; it challenges the link between Jewish identity and support for Israel.

nymag.com

Let alone that there are Jewish sects who do not support Zionism on religious grounds

What is Neturei Karta, the Orthodox group at all the pro-Palestinian protests?

Neturei Karta representatives regularly attend pro-Palestinian protests to voice their religious opposition to Israel.

forward.com

Suggesting all Jewish people think the same way is racist in of itself. While I'm at it, being against the actions of the Israeli government doesn't make one pro-Hamas or even pro-Palestine. I don't want one country ruled on religious grounds to be replaced by another one. It's not a wrestling match with a good guy and a bad guy. What I do know though, is thousands of civilians have been killed and will continue to suffer due to the actions of the zealots in charge.

The dream is not to have Israel or Palestine but a true secular democracy where people can be free to worship whatever invisible man in the sky they wish. It ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

 

[ElectricG]

Is calling for the destruction of Israel anti-Semitic?

 

[Jazny]

Its garbage logic to equate the Palestinian resistance with European pogroms.

"Resistance"

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Is calling for the destruction of Israel anti-Semitic?

I'd say there are ways to interpret or qualify 'destruction'. If you're talking destruction of the political construct that is the State of Israel and replacing it with a true multi-ethnic democracy with universal human rights at the essential core of the nation and where religious fundamentalism/extremism from any side is forever banned from the political process then I am 100% in favour of the political destruction of Israel.

One hundred precent in favour of it.

However, if the destruction of Israel means a genocide of the Jewish population or a even a future Palestine letting its Jewish population live on but as second class citizens in their own homeland I would be 100% dead against it.

One hundred precent against it.

So, destruction with some qualification. It's not anti-Semitic in the least to want a common humanity to prevail among the warring parties in a unified nation.

EDIT: Spelled 'Semitic' as 'Semetic'. D'oh!

 

[ferball]

"Resistance"

Yeah, resistance.

I'm not just talking about Hamas. I'm talking about all of it, from social media posts to kids throwing rocks at IDF soldiers and settlers in the West Bank, ordinary Palestinians fighting cops at Al-Aqsa cos they're not allowed into their church.

All the stuff you're pretending doesn't happen so you can egg on a genocide.

 

[demondavey]

Well the obvious thing that’ll happen is that right wing groups will or could begin to ramp up anti semitic rhetoric and commentary towards Jews due to the conflict in Hamas. It’ll be used as another anti Jewish ideology. 100 years ago it was the Jews controlling the wealth and distorting the economy, now it’s the violent sentiments they represent towards innocents etc.

With Donald Trump and his right wing zealots lurking, it won’t be long before this starts to escalate into anti Jewish propaganda.