Is being a drummer a lost cause in this age?

[smasha]

The good news is yes they do !

My nephew's band is in the Battle of the Campus Bands on Saturday here in Perth and the drummer is fantastic and an integral pert of their sound. They are a shoe gazing outfit with the mood built around a great drum sound.

Go and see The Dirty Three next time they are touring to see how great Jim White is and then try to imagine that set without him up on stage playing. He could never be replaced by a machine.

My fav drummers are Jack Dejohnette,Billy Cobham,Jimmy Cobb,Michael Giles,Phil Collins(Genesis Early 70s -78 and Brand X).

I think my fav music atm doesn't involve drummers at all and that's why I'm depressed.

DnB -ambient jazzy DnB gets my drive up more than anything else.

That ambient stuff like Aphex Twin.


DnB is alll ****ing loops and they're all very good and a drummer could never do that stuff.

the new drummers are mathematicians who sit down staring at daws all day.

O yawn.

I couldn't do that even though I love that stuff.

Know my quandry.

Anyway ,given up playing for bands.

Not my cup of tea being a drummer and feeling like an ant.

Gonna go out and watch alot of punks.

Anyone know of any good DnB places to hear great ambient ,jazzy,fusion stuff?

I don't care if it's some jocks with turntables.


i'll have some beer in hand to numb the pain and enjoy the music.

 

[smasha]

Yep. If you're as boring and one-dimensional a drummer as you are a forum poster, thats probably where the problem lies. It's hardly the current gen's fault that they don't find your ripped-off John Bonham/Phil Collins drum fills interesting in the year 2009.

Listen to some Lightning Bolt if you think drumming is a "lost cause" (whatever that means, I never knew drumming had or ever needed a "cause").

I can agree with that but when I put on an old Genesis or Mahavishnu record on,I get high as life can get.

Meshuggah I liked for a few weeks but they have no soul.

Technique for techniques sake.

Would be fun playing that stuff though but I'd be bored after a while.

 

[smasha]

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smasha can keep bonham

I respect Meshuggah.

Next kiddo.

 

[Magnum]

DnB is alll ****ing loops and they're all very good and a drummer could never do that stuff.

Heres Jojo Mayer showing how drummers do DmB, check him out

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[Tigger Please!]

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that guy should join riverdance or something.

 

[emperor]

I don't think you understand metal.True metalheads could not care less what is fashionable or not.And true metalheads aren't stuck with one genre like you always imply.I don't listen to Dead Congregation or Blut Aus Nord because they're fashionable.Really by embracing Cannibal Corpse you are part of the crowd you are criticising.CC are ok,they're not some shit metalcore band,but they are pretty fashionable.These days,liking Death is fashionable.People go on like they're the greatest band in history.You're guilty on both counts.So who is following the trends?

Whenever i show you true quality metal,you completely disregard it out of hand,and apparently go on listening to Cannibal Corpse!You get an 'F' in metal smasha.You get an 'A' for 70's prog which is analogous to getting an 'A' in home economics.

You are being very unkind to pioneering death metal bands like Cannibal Corpse and Death, just because they have gained popularity. Now I understand you fervent dislike of thrash metal. If true metalheads don't follow trends, then why are you being negative about CC because they are trendy? You should be negative about them because you think the music is rubbish, not how many fans they have. Anyone can like Cannibal Corpse just like anyone can enjoy Dead Congregation or Blut Aus Nord. Whether they choose to or not, is totally up to them.

Music is also meant to be fun sometimes, and that's what Cannibal Corpse are Unfortunately I won't be attending the gig.

 

[Armchair Coach]

I don't think its a lost cause.

For the studio...maybe (and maybe not). Yep, there are lots of great sample packs and editing programs available which can make a drummer "redundant", but I think it ultimately comes down to what the artists and production engineers are seeing as being the best result for the final product as to whether or not a "live" drummer is used. Sure, it can remove headaches such as micing and tracking, but hopefully not at the expense of other important audio aesthetics though eg, dynamics.

In the live scenario...the visual aspect of a drummer, and the energy that automatically comes with it can't be beaten. Sure, some acts don't require a drummer, and will opt for a backing track. And that might suit the synergy of the band, and the expectations of the crowd going to see them, especially if the vibe of the band is geared electronically (though not in all cases of Electronica). A great drummer can make for very memorable performances.

I program drums and I like the results I get, but I'd love to have access to a great player with a fantastic kit over a program any day.

 

[Schism]

I can agree with that but when I put on an old Genesis or Mahavishnu record on,I get high as life can get.

Meshuggah I liked for a few weeks but they have no soul.

Technique for techniques sake.

Would be fun playing that stuff though but I'd be bored after a while.

I respect Meshuggah.

Next kiddo.

-That is the point,the music is apocalyptic and robotic.It is supposed to have no soul.Alot of people belive the best Meshuggah albums leave you kind of drained at the end,it is like the onslaught of a monolith.I feel this way.If you want soul and emotion,you won't find it in Meshuggah.

-Anyone who knows music respects Meshuggah,but that vid wasn't Meshuggah.It was Meshuggah guitarist Thordendal and a different drummer,not Haake.I think it is Morgen Agren.

 

[Saint KFC]

Anything melodic = gothenburg, anything technical = pretentious emotionless w***ery. You just can't (rarely) win.

 

[Schism]

smasha is funny,he says Meshuggah has no soul like that's a bad thing.He doesn't even realize he is paying the band the biggest compliment possible,and doesn't realize they have evoked the exact emotions in him that they intended.

 

[J_Moore]

Yo, homes, if you want to be noticed, don't play in the rhythm section.

Good drumming is like good bass playing - it shouldn't stand out, screaming for attention. Rather, it'll complement the overall sound. Unless someone's listening for it, they shouldn't notice it anywhere except their feet and hips. Possibly their neck and and head.

 

[krisholio14]

I'm not going to read all 5 pages of this discussion.

All i'm going to say is there is a certain flavour that can only be obtain by intruments played by a human.

You cannot program feel.

Programmed instruments can't improvise, ad lib or riff, and that alone means they will never take over.

 

[krisholio14]

Yo, homes, if you want to be noticed, don't play in the rhythm section.

Good drumming is like good bass playing - it shouldn't stand out, screaming for attention. Rather, it'll complement the overall sound. Unless someone's listening for it, they shouldn't notice it anywhere except their feet and hips. Possibly their neck and and head.

Ah yeah but there have been many great guitarists whose reputations were enhanced by an A grade rhythm section.

 

[J_Moore]

Ah yeah but there have been many great guitarists whose reputations were enhanced by an A grade rhythm section.

yeah, man, I love a good rhythm section. Nothing better.

But it's not a job you do for worldwide fame. Obscurity is generally their lot. Part of what you sign up for.

 

[scooterb]

I think everyone who has lost faith should look at this 12 year old drummer:

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[smasha]

Starting to listen to more cool jazz.

Man the ride cymbal gets me into a hypnotic mood.


Listening to the album Somethin' Else by Cannonball Adderley.


This record is incredible.

 

[JimDocker]

Somethin Else is a magnificent abum.

Art Blakey is one of the great drummers in history.
Cannonball Adderley on Sax and Miles Davis on trumpet lends a certain credibility to a jazz album !!!!

If you want to listen to cool jazz and great drumming.

Listen to anything that features Art Blakey, Max Roach, Philly Joe Jones, Kenny Clarke, Buddy Rich and more recently Jeff 'Tain' Watts.