Is Jeremy Howe AFL standard?

[Blackas87]

season 2015: http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2141&SeasonID=2015#ind

Averaging 13 touches and less than a goal a game. Had 5 possesions today. I suppose he is on the shortlist for AA...

When you play in the back line most games probably not going to be kicking a lot goals.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Not worth the $ he wants but not afl standard give me a break even Sam Gray gets a game

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Hasn't lit up the world, but has kicked several clutch goals in the past few years. You don't need huge numbers to be a star.

 

[The 747]

season 2015: http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2141&SeasonID=2015#ind

Averaging 13 touches and less than a goal a game. Had 5 possesions today. I suppose he is on the shortlist for AA...

Your OP was destroyed by all and you actually came back to try and argue it again?

 

[master bate]

There's a reason why Roos put him to half back. He finds more footy, impacts more contests and can run and carry pretty well when on his game. He simply struggles to get to the ball forward. Not sure he reads the play, positions or fights off the ball well. But he kicked his 2 goals today. Nearly won the game last week with a late goal.

He's AFL standard talent with some glaring deficiencies. I also think he's also another player struggling with the spotlight on a contract decision.

IF he left Melbourne we wouldn't suffer too much without him but to make it as a top team he'd be a handy asset as he can play back or forward and can provide a legitimate 3rd tall option which is hard to find.

No serious Melbourne supporter isn't aware of his deficiencies that's for sure.

 

[Heaps of fun]

He's a pretty average player but definitely AFL standard.

 

[wowlace]

Not a massive Howe fan, but if he isn't AFL standard then Hawkins isn't fit for the halftime games.

 

[blured]

season 2015: http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=2141&SeasonID=2015#ind

Averaging 13 touches and less than a goal a game. Had 5 possesions today. I suppose he is on the shortlist for AA...

Actually hurt his back in the first half and soldiered on and still kicked 2 goals from 4 disposals to make you look like stupid campaigner

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Agree with OP somewhat. He's AFL standard but lol if anyone gives him 600k

 

[Damon_3388]

He seemed more consistently effective when he was playing as a backman early in the season (first 5/6 games).

Not really sure why he expects clubs (Melbourne or otherwise) to offer him big dollars or get into some sort of bidding war for him, though. He's a pretty average footballer with one point of difference or outstanding trait, but then there's literally dozens of footballers like that all around the league, and that's what makes them average.

 

[Engimal]

He's AFl standard but by no means a star. However getting him in your side gives you some guaranteed extra media exposure every week or so.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Not sure why the OP has been shitcanned for this suggestion.

Have often thought he appears to have the tools but doesn't contribute enough. I've seen him play a mobile role and get plenty of the ball with little attention, so he's not devoid of stamina. Perhaps a touch slow at 190cm?

Is apparently fielding offers but even with Richmond short on specialist goalkickers, I'm not sure he's what we need. Wouldn't knock him back if the price is right, but definitely wouldn't be prepared to make him one of our highest-paid.

 

[Sprout]

Not sure why the OP has been shitcanned for this suggestion.

Have often thought he appears to have the tools but doesn't contribute enough. I've seen him play a mobile role and get plenty of the ball with little attention, so he's not devoid of stamina. Perhaps a touch slow at 190cm?

Is apparently fielding offers but even with Richmond short on specialist goalkickers, I'm not sure he's what we need. Wouldn't knock him back if the price is right, but definitely wouldn't be prepared to make him one of our highest-paid.

He's been shitcanned because regardless of where you think Howe lies on the spectrum, questioning if he's AFL standard is utterly stupid. The OP has then dug himself deeper by reading off a stat sheet, ignoring changing role and position. Listen to Roos conference today. Howe hadn't had a kick early and yet Roos believed him to be one of the most important players in the first half because he competed in the air and brought the ball to ground.

Howe's work ethic can waver dramatically but he is skilful and he is a legitimate goal threat. This thread is ignorant tosh.

 

[Ron The Bear]

He's been shitcanned because regardless of where you think Howe lies on the spectrum, questioning if he's AFL standard is utterly stupid. The OP has then dug himself deeper by reading off a stat sheet, ignoring changing role and position. Listen to Roos conference today. Howe hadn't had a kick early and yet Roos believed him to be one of the most important players in the first half because he competed in the air and brought the ball to ground.

Howe's work ethic can waver dramatically but he is skilful and he is a legitimate goal threat. This thread is ignorant tosh.

Was referring more to the question "What else does he offer the Dees?" than the thread title.

I watched him a lot in 2013 and was generally underwhelmed. Had a tendency to completely go missing for quarters and halves at a time. Agree with the OP that he's tended to rely on his big leap to have an impact. If he was a tall I'd cut him more slack, but going on 25, he needs to step it up and become a more rounded player. Whether Melbourne shells out the coin required to keep him will say plenty about where he's at.

 

[Sprout]

Was referring more to the question "What else does he offer the Dees?" than the thread title.

I watched him a lot in 2013 and was generally underwhelmed. Had a tendency to completely go missing for quarters and halves at a time. Agree with the OP that he's tended to rely on his big leap to have an impact. Going on 25 now and needs to step it up and become a more rounded player. Whether Melbourne shells out the coin required to keep him will say plenty about where he's at.

I don't disagree but this is a lot more reasonably put than the OP's effort. I'm explaining to you why it's been canned. He has room for improvement of course, and he needs to find some consistency for the remainder of the year now that he seems to have resettled in the forward line, but he'll attract interest from other clubs for a reason.

 

[Astro_]

Rumored to be looking north next year.

Not worth a cent over $400k though IMO

 

[Mr Magic]

So the bloke can take hangers once every 4-5 rounds and provide a spectacle which we all love. But what else does he offer the Dees?

Does he get a free pass just because of his spectacular marks?

he does more than plenty of others!

 

[Scotland]

I don't particularly rate him but he was good today.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I don't disagree but this is a lot more reasonably put than the OP's effort. I'm explaining to you why it's been canned. He has room for improvement of course, and he needs to find some consistency for the remainder of the year now that he seems to have resettled in the forward line, but he'll attract interest from other clubs for a reason.

Fair enough, the thread title is rubbish but most seem to have poo-pooed the OP without really considering Howe's merit.

His marking is obviously fantastic to watch and has provided Melbourne fans with some much-needed highlights, but I think the time has come to demand more. With Melbourne starting to improve at the bottom end, longer-serving players like Howe will be in the gun before too long, especially if he remains largely a one-trick pony.

 

[markm106]

Didn't put the stats on the sheet today but created plenty of spills in marking contests. Had been inconsistent this year coming off a heavily interrupted pre season.

 

[master bate]

Fair enough, the thread title is rubbish but most seem to have poo-pooed the OP without really considering Howe's merit.

With Melbourne starting to improve at the bottom end, longer-serving players like Howe will be in the gun before too long, especially if he remains largely a one-trick pony.

That's the thing though, he's got versatility and is difficult to match up on. He's the type of player a good team carries without a doubt because they know even if he doesn't do it every week he can stand up when needed. If he's down back he can shuffle on to a tall with an injury. If he's up forward he can replace the dithering extra tall who does nothing when the ball hits the deck and can't move on to a wing, half back, loose man etc as Howe can.

Brisbane or some other team will offer him the big money cash then talk him down to avoid giving up more than a mid 2nd round draft pick and whilst I don't want to sound like an Essendon fan I think with Melbourne's lack of depth a bird in the hand is worth more than say pick 30. He's still only 24 so there's every chance he fixes the issues in his game that see him lose competitiveness and becomes a super player. He had an 8 week hamstring in Feb/March this year so whilst it's not really an excuse this time of year he might be lacking a bit of conditioning still.

 

[clogged]

The most important thing a side needs to do when going inside 50 against Geelong is making sure Taylor doesn't chop off entries. You have to keep Taylor accountable by having someone who provides a contest in a marking situation, not just let him float free taking intercepts as he pleases. Freo have made this mistake in years past, and Taylor has been best on ground in games where Freo has played a depleted forward line.

With Hogan out it seemed a tough ask, especially since Dawes isn't a contested marking forward.

And that's what Howe did, didn't get much possession himself, but made sure that any long or misdirected ball coming in wasn't a simple uncontested mark to Taylor (or Enright). And that's part of the reason why Melbourne scored 113 points from only 40-odd inside 50s against a pretty mature and talented defence.

 

[Ron The Bear]

That's the thing though, he's got versatility and is difficult to match up on. He's the type of player a good team carries without a doubt because they know even if he doesn't do it every week he can stand up when needed. If he's down back he can shuffle on to a tall with an injury. If he's up forward he can replace the dithering extra tall who does nothing when the ball hits the deck and can't move on to a wing, half back, loose man etc as Howe can.

Brisbane or some other team will offer him the big money cash then talk him down to avoid giving up more than a mid 2nd round draft pick and whilst I don't want to sound like an Essendon fan I think with Melbourne's lack of depth a bird in the hand is worth more than say pick 30. He's still only 24 so there's every chance he fixes the issues in his game that see him lose competitiveness and becomes a super player. He had an 8 week hamstring in Feb/March this year so whilst it's not really an excuse this time of year he might be lacking a bit of conditioning still.

Think Melbourne has struggled to discover his best role.

Is 25 next week. Yeah he may become a better player but he may also stagnate if/when he loses his jumping ability.

I wouldn't go onto the Melbourne board and tell people who see him every week that Melbourne should find out what they can get at the trade table, but since this is the main board, that's my perspective as a neutral. I see him to this point as an "icing on the cake" player which Melbourne can't afford at this point. This thread confirms to me that his standing among the footy public is higher than what it should be; perhaps it's true at other clubs also.

At his size he should be that mobile forward who works around Hogan and Dawes and provides a lead-up option while being a difficult contested match-up, like a Jack Darling. Will cut him some slack for this year if he's underdone, but will watch with interest to see what transpires.

 

[gillo94]

Jeremy Howe goes for screamers every contest. Can play forward or back but not really a stsndout at either position

 

[Damon_3388]

Is he a better footballer than Russell Robertson was?