Is our future bright?

[doggies ftw]

Perhaps he is a slightly bitter former player?

It has to be Brodie! I'm gonna try and do some detective work when I get a chance

 

[Yojimbo]

Gatorade rankings current Bulldog players.
13- Tom Liberatore, 55- Robert Murphy, 68- Will Minson
96- Luke Dahlhaus, 106- Matthew boyd, 156- Stewart Crameri
188- Jackson Macrae 218- Dale Morris 255- Jordan Roughead
274- Koby Stevens 278- Liam Picken 285- Jake Stringer
304- Mitch Wallis 351- Easton Wood 374- Marcus Bontempelli
405- Jason Johannisen 410- Nathan Hrovat 413- Lachlan Hunter
433- Clay Smith 442- Brett Goodes 445- Tory Dickson
495- Jarrad Grant 510- Tom Campbell 520- Michael Talia
561- Lin Jong 577- Sam Darley 581- Tom Boyd
628- Fletcher Roberts 633- Shane Biggs 648- Ayce Cordy
654- Mitch Honeychurch 669- Daniel Pearce 675- Jack Redpath
Other players no ranking as yet to play.

 

[True Dog]

Bonty 405.... Yeah Right!!!

 

[womble54]

Competent in a poor team

If we were any good Dickson would never have played a game and I'd be surprised if he ever plays another senior game

And don't know what you been watching but Jong and Hrovat have proven zero at AFL level, unlike most I don't think playing well at VFL level equats to playing well at AFL level.

Yeah but you are mates with Liam Jones and would have picked him in our firsts.

#nocredibility

 

[womble54]

FFS! The best we can do is put Goodes onto the rookie list?

We are well and truly stuffed.

Well your username is almost appropriate to your outlook.

O king of kings, look at Dals handyworks, ye mighty, and despair
Nothing beside remains, round the decay
Of that collosal wreck, Boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Me? I rekon we'll be ok in the long run. Short term we are going to struggle and I'm happy to hold hands around the campfire as we wait that bit out

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Im sick of the ad hominem assaults on MD and others...

Address his points directly if you want to engage with him. The abuse and irrelevant crap brings this board down. If it starts going in circles and he ignores you, end the conversation without ridicule. We want something out of our interactions here, right? I come here to be challenged and learn things, and have a bit of a joke too. Not listen to crappy abuse. I'm sure others feel the same.

Relating to the OP, I think we have the core of what could be a great team, but a lot of things need to go right, and a lot of chaff cut out around the edges. The choices we've made in this year's draft will make or break us I feel.

 

[Yojimbo]

Bonty 405.... Yeah Right!!!

Johannisen was 405, Bontempelli was 374 which is excellent for a first
year player.

 

[Mattdougie]

Yeah but you are mates with Liam Jones and would have picked him in our firsts.

#nocredibility

With our list in 2014 at the start of the year I would have absolutely, he was the only forward Martin target we had that had done anything at all.

But he feel away badly and deserved to be in the VFL, his form and attitude were not right so I had no problem him being there

I ponder why this was the case and won't mention the reason why but that's another subject

And the fact you used a # sums up a lot

Cheers

 

[Mattdougie]

No you just don't understand, Dale in this thread and me in the other thread, were not having a go at his opinion, just the way he goes about it with no reasoning behind his calls. And like we both said he is quite happy to call other peoples opinions rubbish and crap and whatever else he comes up with but when it comes to his it's all "hey it's wat I see wif my eyes, just my opinion that's that!!!!"

And that's before you get to the actual content of the post, it was one of the most unbalanced and ridiculous view of the list I've seen. Darleys already a B grader and ahead of Roughy and Clay? Boyd and Bonts are already A graders? The 2014 draftees in 'might make it' but Hrovat, Dickson and Jong absolutely will not. It just can't even be taken seriously and that's even if he could somehow explain the choices, which he can't or won't.

I'm still convinced he's a troll tbh, well I hope he is for his sake.

Wow!!! Just wow

Only a simpleton would think I'm a troll, I've said these things from day one and been consistent.

Regardless what the inflated egos think I don't say things to annoy people I say them coz they are my opinion and last time I checked much like you I'm entitled to it.

But please tell me what "evidence" I can provide for my opinion other than what I see? Is there a stat for looking at footy with both eyes open? Is there one for thinking anyone that pulls on our jumper is the next Ablett?

Do I directly belittle people who for some unknown reason think Hrovat and Jong WILL make it? Show me the evidence that 100% says they will? Other than what YOU see! Show me? Neither have done ZERO to prove they are certain to make it.

Sorry Dickson is simply sh!te and I don't care what people say he isn't a footballers a$$crack

Because I speak the truth and not the truth you want to hear don't come at me simply coz you disagree, I don't live in the clouds with foggy glasses on hoping my sh!t sandwich will turn into a chocolate cake

Ignore me its that simple (well for some it is )

 

[Zgope1]

And here in proves my point TempleKelvington that I made in another post.

"Defenders" are not interested in hearing any opinions other than those that paint the picture that we will win a flag in the next 5 years.
If people have those opinions they are howled down and ignored.
There have been some decent and balanced opinions in the thread.
Because you disagree with them no need to ignore them !

I never said we'd win a flag in 5 years. Doesn't change that we have some special young talent and a track record recently of decent development. There's a difference between disagreeing on certain young players or your confidence in a recruiter and an obvious love of sinking the boots in and not supporting your opinion with viable arguments. I've shown previously in this thread I'll respond to people assessing players differently. Don't call me a defender.

Having said that, I don't understand why footy would be fun to people if they spent no time being excited about the good bits

 

[stefoid]

Pelchin says: from this article: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-04/pelchens-analysis
The pass mark for a team is acquiring 2-3 players of AFL standard each year. Secure more and your performance graph is trending upwards. Obtain less and the pressure builds on everyone at the club for future seasons.

Statistical analysis shows that the AFL premiers since 2000 have consisted of an average of 12 rating one and two players (also known as A or B-grade) with the remaining 10 players being a rating three (a C-grade) or below.

Some, like the Brisbane Lions team of 2002 and Geelong of 2009 had 15 'rating 1-2' players – representing the two strongest premiership teams of the past 15 years.

So, not only are talented players sought by every club but, as obvious as it might sound, elite players directly equate to premiership success.

It’s often suggested that the bottom six players in a team win Grand Finals when, in fact, it is the first six players who normally decide the outcome (despite the fashionable attraction for some people to suggest the alternative)."

---

not sure exactly what the gradings mean, but A grade is the best, so lets say:
A elite
B quality
C footsoldier
D+ fringe/dependeable hack

Looking ahead 2 years I see: (Not including our oldest players, and with a certain amount of wish fulfilment)

A: Stringer, Macrae, Bonts, Libba, Boyd
B: Hunter, Wallis, Dal, Crameri

Not enough to make 12 or more A's and B's, and they are exclusively mids and forwards.

Once Murph and Morris go, we have no A or B grade defenders.

I reckon its a pretty good 'A' list, however. If you are going to have five A grade players, midfielders and a key forward are the best kind of A grader to have. My gut feeling is you can probably get away with a lower quality backline if your midfield is star-studded and you can kick a score.

We need to be able to add three A/B grade players to that list to be a serious force. preferable at least 2 of them ball distributing defenders of whatever size. I think you can get away with dour 'stopper' key defenders if they are surrounded by A and B grade ball users.

 

[Mattdougie]

Pelchin says: from this article: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-04/pelchens-analysis
The pass mark for a team is acquiring 2-3 players of AFL standard each year. Secure more and your performance graph is trending upwards. Obtain less and the pressure builds on everyone at the club for future seasons.

Statistical analysis shows that the AFL premiers since 2000 have consisted of an average of 12 rating one and two players (also known as A or B-grade) with the remaining 10 players being a rating three (a C-grade) or below.

Some, like the Brisbane Lions team of 2002 and Geelong of 2009 had 15 'rating 1-2' players – representing the two strongest premiership teams of the past 15 years.

So, not only are talented players sought by every club but, as obvious as it might sound, elite players directly equate to premiership success.

It’s often suggested that the bottom six players in a team win Grand Finals when, in fact, it is the first six players who normally decide the outcome (despite the fashionable attraction for some people to suggest the alternative)."

---

not sure exactly what the gradings mean, but A grade is the best, so lets say:
A elite
B quality
C footsoldier
D+ fringe/dependeable hack

Looking ahead 2 years I see: (Not including our oldest players, and with a certain amount of wish fulfilment)

A: Stringer, Macrae, Bonts, Libba, Boyd
B: Hunter, Wallis, Dal, Crameri

Not enough to make 12 or more A's and B's, and they are exclusively mids and forwards.

Once Murph and Morris go, we have no A or B grade defenders.

I reckon its a pretty good 'A' list, however. If you are going to have five A grade players, midfielders and a key forward are the best kind of A grader to have. My gut feeling is you can probably get away with a lower quality backline if your midfield is star-studded and you can kick a score.

We need to be able to add three A/B grade players to that list to be a serious force. preferable at least 2 of them ball distributing defenders of whatever size. I think you can get away with dour 'stopper' key defenders if they are surrounded by A and B grade ball users.

Looks suspiciously like mine

I wonder if he will cop a flogging for his opinion

 

[Dav1d]

Looks suspiciously like mine

I wonder if he will cop a flogging for his opinion

something tells me you like it though

anyhow, I don't think that our future is that much brighter then any of the other clubs with a young list

 

[TempleKelvington]

And here in proves my point TempleKelvington that I made in another post.

"Defenders" are not interested in hearing any opinions other than those that paint the picture that we will win a flag in the next 5 years.
If people have those opinions they are howled down and ignored.
There have been some decent and balanced opinions in the thread.
Because you disagree with them no need to ignore them !

Just keep putting your opinion out there, keep it as civil as possible. not everyone agrees with with everyone else as we all know. But the fun part is the robust discussions. you know I don't agree with you on all aspects of this topic but none the less it been great chatting about it.

 

[go you pups]

Pelchin says: from this article: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-04/pelchens-analysis
The pass mark for a team is acquiring 2-3 players of AFL standard each year. Secure more and your performance graph is trending upwards. Obtain less and the pressure builds on everyone at the club for future seasons.

Statistical analysis shows that the AFL premiers since 2000 have consisted of an average of 12 rating one and two players (also known as A or B-grade) with the remaining 10 players being a rating three (a C-grade) or below.

Some, like the Brisbane Lions team of 2002 and Geelong of 2009 had 15 'rating 1-2' players – representing the two strongest premiership teams of the past 15 years.

So, not only are talented players sought by every club but, as obvious as it might sound, elite players directly equate to premiership success.

It’s often suggested that the bottom six players in a team win Grand Finals when, in fact, it is the first six players who normally decide the outcome (despite the fashionable attraction for some people to suggest the alternative)."

---

not sure exactly what the gradings mean, but A grade is the best, so lets say:
A elite
B quality
C footsoldier
D+ fringe/dependeable hack

Looking ahead 2 years I see: (Not including our oldest players, and with a certain amount of wish fulfilment)

A: Stringer, Macrae, Bonts, Libba, Boyd
B: Hunter, Wallis, Dal, Crameri

Not enough to make 12 or more A's and B's, and they are exclusively mids and forwards.

Once Murph and Morris go, we have no A or B grade defenders.

I reckon its a pretty good 'A' list, however. If you are going to have five A grade players, midfielders and a key forward are the best kind of A grader to have. My gut feeling is you can probably get away with a lower quality backline if your midfield is star-studded and you can kick a score.

We need to be able to add three A/B grade players to that list to be a serious force. preferable at least 2 of them ball distributing defenders of whatever size. I think you can get away with dour 'stopper' key defenders if they are surrounded by A and B grade ball users.

On the list management thread myself and I'm pretty sure MD ranted on about the importance of B graders to the team, I focused pretty much on KPPs though and how the KPPs of the last 10-15 premiership sides were ranked, some sides didn't have A grade KPFs or KPDs they were just B graders who did their job and played crucial roles for their team. Hawthorn would have to have the best A grade talent up forward over the last 15 years to have won a flag with only Brisbane who could match them for quality and perhaps Essendon with Lucas and Lloyd.

 

[go you pups]

So if we have a potential A grade KPF in Boyd why doesn't Dalrymple try and find a great complementing type who could develop into a B grader who is crucial for our structure?

 

[Gmod23]

So if we have a potential A grade KPF in Boyd why doesn't Dalrymple try and find a great complementing type who could develop into a B grader who is crucial for our structure?

Why not take a potential A grader in Bonti or Stringer and turn them into an A grade forward?
Or just live with crameri and (maybe grant) as B graders?
We are going to get at least another early pick next year to add to our list too.

 

[_Mike_]

This is how I see the list so is there light or not ?

Might make it = Roberts Honey Talia, Redpath, 2014 draftees

I'm interested to know why you made such a big deal about the possibility of Talia leaving during the second half if this season if you only think he's a player that might make it? Why be so bothered that he was considering leaving?

We dont need maybes and couldabeens at this club to take it forward.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Looks suspiciously like mine

I wonder if he will cop a flogging for his opinion

So, you're telling us you're Pelchen?

Would make sense, both speak a fair bit of guff.

 

[Mattdougie]

I'm interested to know why you made such a big deal about the possibility of Talia leaving during the second half if this season if you only think he's a player that might make it? Why be so bothered that he was considering leaving?

We dont need maybes and couldabeens at this club to take it forward.

Because we are a team devoid of kps we couldnt afford to lose any especially with Morris nearly at the end.

And I belive Talia would have left if Macca had stayed on but obviously this can't be proven.

And every list has maybes on it especially wen they are KPS.

The problem is we have a lot of wannabes that some fans think are gunnabes

 

[yebiga]

This is how I see the list so is there light or not ?

Mature players = Murphy Boyd Mino Morris Picken

A grade(guns)= Boyd Bonts Stringer Libba Mcrae

B grade = Wallis Dahl Crameri Wood JJ Hunter Darley

C grade = Grant Smith Roughead Stevens Campbell

Might make it = Roberts Honey Talia, Redpath, 2014 draftees

Won't make it = Hrovat Prudden Dickson Fuller Cordy Jong

So still nearly ten blokes on list IMO that are simply not up to it and never will be so still plenty work to be done but there is always light

And this list is where I think players will end their careers not where they are now

We will never agree over events which transpired in October
But your list assessment is fair

I think your way too generous with wallis - plodder at best
Spot on with Dickson
Hasty with hrovat and Jong

Hrovat is neat with a lot to prove
Jong is coming from a long way and whilst I love his athleticism his footy nous will need to improve a lot - so I understand your negative call

All in all nothing for anyone to be annoyed about

 

[ducksonthepond]

Wow!!! Just wow

Only a simpleton would think I'm a troll, I've said these things from day one and been consistent.

Regardless what the inflated egos think I don't say things to annoy people I say them coz they are my opinion and last time I checked much like you I'm entitled to it.

But please tell me what "evidence" I can provide for my opinion other than what I see? Is there a stat for looking at footy with both eyes open? Is there one for thinking anyone that pulls on our jumper is the next Ablett?

Do I directly belittle people who for some unknown reason think Hrovat and Jong WILL make it? Show me the evidence that 100% says they will? Other than what YOU see! Show me? Neither have done ZERO to prove they are certain to make it.

Sorry Dickson is simply sh!te and I don't care what people say he isn't a footballers a$$crack

I do not think you are a troll, I think you are Brodie Moles who only played 17 games for WBFC
Tory Dickson has played 34 games! and will play more.

Who is the Troll now, simpleton?

 

[go you pups]

Why not take a potential A grader in Bonti or Stringer and turn them into an A grade forward?
Or just live with crameri and (maybe grant) as B graders?
We are going to get at least another early pick next year to add to our list too.

It's like Johnno post 2004 all over again though bar these kids are 3-4 inches taller than what Johnno is and had 200 games less than what Johnno had at that time. Johnno was great and helped propel us up the ladder but he could never win us a prelim. I remember him walking to the goalsquare at the start of the last quarter of the 09 prelim thinking well it rests on his shoulders, he outmarked Fisher and goaled early but he never had another opportunity one out for the rest of that quarter.

 

[Mattdougie]

I do not think you are a troll, I think you are Brodie Moles who only played 17 games for WBFC
Tory Dickson has played 34 games! and will play more.

Who is the Troll now, simpleton?

Lol keep coming d and d

 

[Yojimbo]

Looks suspiciously like mine

I wonder if he will cop a flogging for his opinion

You do realize the Pelchin article ends at the lines and the opinion piece
is Stefoid's which comes with the statement in two years hopefully and
wish fulfillment. Plus his avatar has a really big stick.