Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Chief]

Continued in Part IV

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack IV - UN Report: Israel is an Apartheid state. Probable Case of Genocide

Continued from Part III https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack-iii.1381570/ Original Post, October 7, 2023: Israel declares state of war In response to the attacks, which appear to have caught the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) by surprise, Israel has...

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[Markfs]

Interesting piece in the times of israel. I've heard that iran has wisely acknowledged the nuke damage, even though it mightn't have been as complete as trump has been spruiking. The result is that iran can claim that they are harmless. This particular israeli writer doesnt like the iranians wising up to using the equivalent to his precious hasbara.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/irans-road-back/

 

[Saint]

So 1 state solution then for you?

A "solution" where Israel can do what it likes and Palestine can't is what we have now.

A genuine two state solution where Israel respects Palestine as a state and Palestine respects Israel as a state is the only solution. There are too many terrorists on both sides to have a one-state solution.

If there's a one state solution in 10 years it will be because the genocide is complete. That's the direction this is headed and that Israel wants it to head (they're currently dominating the area).

Israel want the land more than they want peace.

 

[Markfs]

it must be an attempt at irony to call yourself scotland after the scottish attempts to gain full independence. The english should bomb them to put them back in their place...i'm sure that there are terrorists in their midsts.

 

[Saint]

Scotland watches Braveheart and cheers when Wallace is killed at the end. It's a good news story where the evil rebel leader is gloriously executed by the genocidal king who genocides in self-defence.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

welcome back SS. how was the education session? And yes, I view this forum as a diary for my thoughts.

Why are you AI or something. AI writes itself little summaries so it can remember things.

 

[Markfs]

Why are you AI or something. AI writes itself little summaries so it can remember things.

I'm RI of course.

In today's news, almost 100 dead. In the deadliest single strike of the day, Israeli fighter jets bombed an internet café with a children’s birthday party under way, killing at least 39 people.

That must have really tickled the israelis. I expect that most of the population will want to see highlights packages.

 

[Saint]

There isn't a legal body, or academic body anywhere who knows anything about Genocide, who isn't calling Gaza a genocide.

The correct term for what is happening is genocide. If the Australian Government continues to avoid calling it that, they're only doing it for political reasons, and ignoring the humanity of allowing genocide to occur.

‘Yes, it is genocide’ in Gaza says Israeli professor of Holocaust studies

In a blistering essay on the mass killing and devastation in Gaza, Amos Goldberg, professor of Holocaust History at the department of Jewish history and contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University …

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, says top legal scholar Melanie O'Brien

President of the International Association of Genocide Scholars outlines why Israel has no defence against the charge of genocide in Gaza

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[Markfs]

There isn't a legal body, or academic body anywhere who knows anything about Genocide, who isn't calling Gaza a genocide.

The correct term for what is happening is genocide. If the Australian Government continues to avoid calling it that, they're only doing it for political reasons, and ignoring the humanity of allowing genocide to occur.

‘Yes, it is genocide’ in Gaza says Israeli professor of Holocaust studies

In a blistering essay on the mass killing and devastation in Gaza, Amos Goldberg, professor of Holocaust History at the department of Jewish history and contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University …

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, says top legal scholar Melanie O'Brien

President of the International Association of Genocide Scholars outlines why Israel has no defence against the charge of genocide in Gaza

www.middleeasteye.net

I dont know if it is a genocide. There are reports that the israelis have laced oxycodone into the flour that their US/Iraeli humanitarian organisation is delivering to the palestinians.

i think it might be a medical experiment or a new source of entertainment for the israeli population. What do you create for your opponents when you are a society of paranoid psychopaths? There is evidence to suggest that the israelis are enjoying their imposition of eye for eye, beyond any religious necessity to establish a promised land. What actually happens to a group of people who believe that they are uniquely chosen by god, after they suffer the collective experiences of WW2? You dont suddenly convince people like this that they are doing the wrong thing. You cant just hope that they are going to stop.

 

[schneebly111]

Important Federal Court ruling. The court ordered a preacher’s videos attacking Jewish people to be taken down as it breached discrimination laws, but importantly the judge also found that attacking the Israeli “Defence” Force or Zionism was NOT anti-Semitic:

The court found passages in an interview and sermon by Mr Haddad contained critical and disparaging things about the actions of the Israel Defense Forces in Gaza and about Zionists.

However, the judge found the "ordinary, reasonable listener" would not understand those things to be about Jewish people in general.

"That person would understand that not all Jews are Zionists and that disparagement of Zionism constitutes disparagement of a philosophy or ideology and not a race or ethnic group," Justice Stewart said.

"Also, political criticism of Israel, however inflammatory or adversarial, is not by its nature criticism of Jews in general or based on Jewish racial or ethnic identity.

"The conclusion that it is not antisemitic to criticise Israel is the corollary of the conclusion that to blame Jews for the actions of Israel is antisemitic; the one flows from the other."

Judge orders Islamic preacher's lectures be removed from social media

A series of lectures delivered by an Islamic preacher at a Sydney prayer centre must be removed from social media under orders from a Federal Court judge who found they contained "fundamentally racist and antisemitic" material.

www.abc.net.au

 

[CM86]

There are differences in every conflict, country, war and outcome.
Yes there are polls that show support for things, especially after October 7th.
There is nuance. But there should still be an underlying understanding and position...

But we don't hate Russians, we can hate Russia, Putin and the actions of Russia.
We don't hate Germans, but can hate Germany, Nazi Germany and the actions of Germany.
We don't hate Japanese, but we can hate Japan and the actions of Japan.
We don't hate Australians, but we can hate the actions of Australia.
We don't hate Afghanistanis, but we can hate the Taliban.



Why do we hate Israelis?


Hate the actions, not the people.
Hate the outcomes, not the race.

 

[Saint]

There are differences in every conflict, country, war and outcome.
Yes there are polls that show support for things, especially after October 7th.
There is nuance. But there should still be an underlying understanding and position...

But we don't hate Russians, we can hate Russia, Putin and the actions of Russia.
We don't hate Germans, but can hate Germany, Nazi Germany and the actions of Germany.
We don't hate Japanese, but we can hate Japan and the actions of Japan.
We don't hate Australians, but we can hate the actions of Australia.
We don't hate Afghanistanis, but we can hate the Taliban.



Why do we hate Israelis?


Hate the actions, not the people.
Hate the outcomes, not the race.

We don't hate Israelis, just the ones who support the actions of the IDF and Israeli Government.

It's the Israeli Govt who tries to entangle Israeli Govt crimes with anti-semitism through public statements and conscription.

Death Death to the IDF is not attacking Israelis, just those who serve in the IDF and don't speak out about atrocities.

 

[sr36]

Tokyo 50% of urban area destroyed, 52.6% population decrease from 1940 to 1945.
Dresden 60% of urban area destroyed, 35% population decrease from 1944 to 1945.
Gaza 92% of urban area destroyed, 6% population decrease from 2023 to 2025.

??

Did you miss the post WW2 formation of the UN and the rules based international order that was designed to stop this type of annihilation? It's kept this sort of annihilation from being supported by a large chunk of the planet ever since WW2

Yes, I'm sure you'll stream off some whattabout examples - all of which were condemned by the majority of the world. We've torn up any hope of a rules based order to appease some lunatic homicidal settlers who've established ridiculous amounts of power in Israel and are leading a genocide.

 

[Saint]

The rules have been ignored plenty of times by the US, in places like Iraq and SE Asia in the 70's. And by plenty of others in Africa.

But this is the first time its been ignored for the purpose of genocide which everyone is watching but nobody is doing anything about even though they know they could.

 

[CM86]

We don't hate Israelis, just the ones who support the actions of the IDF and Israeli Government.

It's the Israeli Govt who tries to entangle Israeli Govt crimes with anti-semitism through public statements and conscription.

Sure.

But then you have people pointing to more recent polling, since October 7th, basically representing that the majority of Israelis support the actions of the IDF.
Which in turn has people deliberately linking Israelis with the actions of the IDF.

This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism.
Hate Israel, hate Israelis.
Just be honest about the reasons for it.

Death Death to the IDF is not attacking Israelis, just those who serve in the IDF and don't speak out about atrocities.

No... Calling for the death of the IDF isn't calling for the death of people serving or who have served under the IDF...

 

[Markfs]

There are differences in every conflict, country, war and outcome.
Yes there are polls that show support for things, especially after October 7th.
There is nuance. But there should still be an underlying understanding and position...

But we don't hate Russians, we can hate Russia, Putin and the actions of Russia.
We don't hate Germans, but can hate Germany, Nazi Germany and the actions of Germany.
We don't hate Japanese, but we can hate Japan and the actions of Japan.
We don't hate Australians, but we can hate the actions of Australia.
We don't hate Afghanistanis, but we can hate the Taliban.



Why do we hate Israelis?


Hate the actions, not the people.
Hate the outcomes, not the race.

You seem to hate a lot of things. It seems that a lot of people dont hate the killing and starvation of children. You argue that we shouldnt hate these people. I think that's your choice. I wouldnt say that I hate them but I dont want to have anything to do with them.

 

[Markfs]

Did you miss the post WW2 formation of the UN and the rules based international order that was designed to stop this type of annihilation? It's kept this sort of annihilation from being supported by a large chunk of the planet ever since WW2

Yes, I'm sure you'll stream off some whattabout examples - all of which were condemned by the majority of the world. We've torn up any hope of a rules based order to appease some lunatic homicidal settlers who've established ridiculous amounts of power in Israel and are leading a genocide.

so the lunacy is only in the settlers? or does it spread to those that appease them? dont bother to answer. I was just making a comment. I have no wish to pursue your thinking

 

[CM86]

You seem to hate a lot of things. It seems that a lot of people dont hate the killing and starvation of children. You argue that we shouldnt hate these people. I think that's your choice. I wouldnt say that I hate them but I dont want to have anything to do with them.

Yeah, but you're a loser brainlet who floods this thread with stupidity and impotence. So who cares what you think?
I never expected you to understand my post. Because you're an idiot who promotes genocide.

 

[Markfs]

Yeah, but you're a loser brainlet who floods this thread with stupidity and impotence. So who cares what you think?
I never expected you to understand my post. Because you're an idiot who promotes genocide.

fair enough but remember to concentrate on hating my outcomes and not me.....and btw it was a wonderful piece of virtue signaling.

 

[Saint]

Sure.

But then you have people pointing to more recent polling, since October 7th, basically representing that the majority of Israelis support the actions of the IDF.
Which in turn has people deliberately linking Israelis with the actions of the IDF.

This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism.
Hate Israel, hate Israelis.
Just be honest about the reasons for it.



No... Calling for the death of the IDF isn't calling for the death of people serving or who have served under the IDF...

It does if they're committing genocide. They have a responsibility not to, otherwise, they're the same as Hamas.

And Death Death to Hamas, to me, has the same weight. Both the IDF and Hamas are terrorist organisations.

 

[CM86]

It does if they're committing genocide. They have a responsibility not to, otherwise, they're the same as Hamas.

And Death Death to Hamas, to me, has the same weight. Both the IDF and Hamas are terrorist organisations.

Can you be more specific in what you're referring to when you say "it does"?

 

[CM86]

Yeah, but you're a loser brainlet who floods this thread with stupidity and impotence. So who cares what you think?
I never expected you to understand my post. Because you're an idiot who promotes genocide.

fair enough

First honest partial post from you in this thread.

 

[Saint]

Can you be more specific in what you're referring to when you say "it does"?

It does apply to individual members of the IDF, that the world would be a better place if some of them were dead. Anybody who contributed to the genocide is a terrorist and should be eliminated.

There are members of the IDF shooting children in the head, attacking aid convoys and dropping bombs on refugee tents and hospitals. They're all genocidal terrorists.

 

[CM86]

Anybody who contributed to the genocide is a terrorist and should be eliminated.

Australian taxpayers, like you and I, have contributed to the genocide...

 

[Markfs]

First honest partial post from you in this thread.

approval from above.....will i be so lucky to be caged at your whim and my children starved, master?

 

[Markfs]

Australian taxpayers, like you and I, have contributed to the genocide...

some have contributed through other channels....