Its Time For Trigg To Resign.

[Elite Crow]

Which is exactly what our fearless leaders should be screaming at anybody who'll listen.

All I'm hearing is crickets.

They've been yelling behind closed doors, the problem is the AFL weren't in the room

 

[cmndstab]

Be surprised then.

They reviewed 4 dubious decisions - all against the Crows - which all gave West Coast goals.

1 was regarded as 50:50 but the AFL admitted that 3 of them were wrong.

There was the Laird throw (it was a handball), Porplyzia holding the ball (Priddis scooping it into Porps chest and holding it there) and McGinnity's around the neck (massive acting by throwing his head back and not touched anywhere near his neck).

That is 4 games we have lost by narrow margins where the AFL have come out and admitted that the umpires got crucial decisions against us wrong (or not paid).

Personally I have had a fkg gutsful of those cheating bastards that masquerade as allegedly impartial umpires. Why are they prepared to guess incorrectly on such crucial decisions and ignore absolutely blatant frees in our favour?? If you can stand it, watch the replay and you won't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times the commentators call obvious frees to us that the maggots were happy to ignore.

Reverse the results of those 4 games and we're hovering around the top 4 instead of season over. Apologies from the AFL just don't cut it - our season is ruined and the sorries can't fix that.

I wonder what it would take for this to be run through the nation-wide media. Could enough fan outrage do it, or woudl it only really make the headlines out of Adelaide if the club took a stand?

It really is disgraceful. I don't recall there being any matches this year where the Crows won due to terrible umpiring decisions. Why is it always the other way around?

 

[LC40]

Our CEO might feel he's not in a position to complain about professional incompetence.

Spot on there, which is why he is a lame duck CEO and Chapman a weak and ineffectual chairman.

 

[Wood_Duck]

They've been yelling behind closed doors, the problem is the AFL weren't in the room

Do you think it would make any difference. Does anyone really believe the AFL would listen. Do we even have any credibility with the AFL, anyone?

 

[Smoooothy]

I wonder what it would take for this to be run through the nation-wide media. Could enough fan outrage do it, or woudl it only really make the headlines out of Adelaide if the club took a stand?

It really is disgraceful. I don't recall there being any matches this year where the Crows won due to terrible umpiring decisions. Why is it always the other way around?

north melbourne would tell you otherwise (even though i thought we were generally screwed for most of the game)

 

[FR0GGY]

Be surprised then.

They reviewed 4 dubious decisions - all against the Crows - which all gave West Coast goals.

1 was regarded as 50:50 but the AFL admitted that 3 of them were wrong.

There was the Laird throw (it was a handball), Porplyzia holding the ball (Priddis scooping it into Porps chest and holding it there) and McGinnity's around the neck (massive acting by throwing his head back and not touched anywhere near his neck).

That is 4 games we have lost by narrow margins where the AFL have come out and admitted that the umpires got crucial decisions against us wrong (or not paid).

Personally I have had a fkg gutsful of those cheating bastards that masquerade as allegedly impartial umpires. Why are they prepared to guess incorrectly on such crucial decisions and ignore absolutely blatant frees in our favour?? If you can stand it, watch the replay and you won't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times the commentators call obvious frees to us that the maggots were happy to ignore.

Reverse the results of those 4 games and we're hovering around the top 4 instead of season over. Apologies from the AFL just don't cut it - our season is ruined and the sorries can't fix that.

The laird throw was a 50/50 at best, porps one was a correct decision (he dived on it and then just put his hands out he didn't dispose of it) and mcGinnity's was certainly a free to us. Did anyone notice whose leg it was that was thrown out at the time? If it was our player I was surprised it wasn't looked at by the MRP.

 

[FR0GGY]

Is that true? I'd be surprised if they did admit that in a game that was decided by a goal. Even so, I hope they don't use that as an excuse for the loss, should have won even with the dodgy calls.

They admitted it after the prelim last year in a close loss.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Reverse the results of those 4 games and we're hovering around the top 4 instead of season over. Apologies from the AFL just don't cut it - our season is ruined and the sorries can't fix that.

I bet we have lost 4 games due to poor kicking for goal.
It is futile to expect the AFL to act on any case we put forward, regarding shit umpiring decisions.
We tried that after the prelim last year and were just seen to be whinging.

Sadly we cannot control the maggots - we can control our goalkicking.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Why do you think this is?

Because we just bend over & meekly accept our medicine. Our management does not look after the best interests of AFC!

As Macca has stated, we have been repeatedly screwed by the umpires & it may effectively cost us a finals appearance (though this year we don't really deserve to be there - but that isn't the point).

Would Collingwood management have stayed quiet over this issue.

There are some umpires who have been biased against the Crows for their whole careers. They should be banned as a minimum from Crows games. If you got a breakdown of frees for & against by umpire by club, it would make for very interesting reading.

If the AFL really wanted to fix the problem, they wood, but they have other interests to look after.

I see Rooch is continuing his call for an overhaul at the Dons - sacking the board for overseeing the mess ... so why doesn't he apply the same principles to the Crows...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The laird throw was a 50/50 at best, porps one was a correct decision (he dived on it and then just put his hands out he didn't dispose of it) and mcGinnity's was certainly a free to us. Did anyone notice whose leg it was that was thrown out at the time? If it was our player I was surprised it wasn't looked at by the MRP.

Danger?

Reckon I saw him do that at one stage now you mention it

 

[FR0GGY]

Danger?

Reckon I saw him do that at one stage now you mention it

I'm not sure who it was but it was a good leg, I couldn't tell from the replays and I haven't watched it again. It could have been an eagles player for all I know.

 

[MrKK]

Be surprised then.

They reviewed 4 dubious decisions - all against the Crows - which all gave West Coast goals.

1 was regarded as 50:50 but the AFL admitted that 3 of them were wrong.

There was the Laird throw (it was a handball), Porplyzia holding the ball (Priddis scooping it into Porps chest and holding it there) and McGinnity's around the neck (massive acting by throwing his head back and not touched anywhere near his neck).

Consider me very surprised. The Porplyzia HTB was consistent with 2 paid earlier that same quarter against LeCras and Douglas, so presumably those were wrong too. There is at least one angle of the Laird one where the ball leaves his left hand before being punched with his right = throw. McGinnity incident was a blatant stage and indefensible.
It also wasn't the umpires' fault that we went coast-to-coast after the Porplyzia HTB for the winning goal without any Crows player touching the ball. You also had two free-kicks directly in front that McKernan and Jacobs sprayed for points.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

I wonder what it would take for this to be run through the nation-wide media. Could enough fan outrage do it, or woudl it only really make the headlines out of Adelaide if the club took a stand?

It really is disgraceful. I don't recall there being any matches this year where the Crows won due to terrible umpiring decisions. Why is it always the other way around?

Go back and watch the last 2 minutes of the North Melbourne game. Or the non-recalled bounce that led to Dangerfield putting us in front against Brisbane.

It's human nature, we only remember the ones that go against us. And if a review of the Laird throw decision came to the conclusion that he handballed, our game really has gone to the dogs. What happened to "clenched fist off of open palm"?

 

[macca23]

Consider me very surprised. The Porplyzia HTB was consistent with 2 paid earlier that same quarter against LeCras and Douglas, so presumably those were wrong too. There is at least one angle of the Laird one where the ball leaves his left hand before being punched with his right = throw. McGinnity incident was a blatant stage and indefensible.
It also wasn't the umpires' fault that we went coast-to-coast after the Porplyzia HTB for the winning goal without any Crows player touching the ball. You also had two free-kicks directly in front that McKernan and Jacobs sprayed for points.

Your surprise IMO is about as justified as McGinnity's around the neck decision.

Mate, these aren't my interpretations. Yours and mine could be regarded as being biased. It's Geishen who has admitted that the Laird decision was wrong (if it wasn't there were a hundred throws in the game). Also that the Porplyzia decision was wrong (Porps takes the ball which immediately jars out only to be dragged back in by Priddis and held against Porps' chest. As for that pathetic creature McGinnity, well, nobody at least is trying to defend him.

You mentioned the 2 free kicks to Mckernan and Jacobs that we had and fkd up. Irrelevant, my friend, because unlike your 3 early Xmas presents, there is no basis to suggest that they weren't correct decisions

Agreed, there are other reasons that we lost, which include poor shooting for goal, coaching errors and a lack of fitness to fully run out each quarter.

But, even in spite of these deficiencies of ours, the jewel in the crown for West Coast were 3 incorrectly gifted goals, which becomes pretty significant in a 6 point win.

 

[Cap]

McGinnity is a cheat, pure and simple.

the sooner they suspend blokes like him out the game the better.

 

[MrKK]

Your surprise IMO is about as justified as McGinnity's around the neck decision.

Mate, these aren't my interpretations. Yours and mine could be regarded as being biased. It's Geishen who has admitted that the Laird decision was wrong (if it wasn't there were a hundred throws in the game). Also that the Porplyzia decision was wrong (Porps takes the ball which immediately jars out only to be dragged back in by Priddis and held against Porps' chest. As for that pathetic creature McGinnity, well, nobody at least is trying to defend him.

You mentioned the 2 free kicks to Mckernan and Jacobs that we had and fkd up. Irrelevant, my friend, because unlike your 3 early Xmas presents, there is no basis to suggest that they weren't correct decisions

Agreed, there are other reasons that we lost, which include poor shooting for goal, coaching errors and a lack of fitness to fully run out each quarter.

But, even in spite of these deficiencies of ours, the jewel in the crown for West Coast were 3 incorrectly gifted goals, which becomes pretty significant in a 6 point win.

Free-kicks received in our defensive 50 are not "gifted goals". Just like you weren't "gifted a goal" when a clear Darling mark wasn't paid on the wing, the ball went forward and Wright kicked a goal - we had a chance to stop it and Waters let Wright have too much freedom.

Gieschen is a muppet of the highest order and he won't convince me that the Laird throw was a wrong decision - I've seen a replay that shows the ball leave his left hand before he punches it with his right. It's very odd that he would highlight that one when there were numerous unpunished throws from both sides. Not to mention probably the worst decision of the night was Jaensch getting clotheslined then pinged for HTB - I was 100m away behind the northern goals and I could see that one!

 

[Cap]

Gieschen is a muppet of the highest order and he won't convince me that the Laird throw was a wrong decision - I've seen a replay that shows the ball leave his left hand before he punches it with his right.

honestly, it is supporters like you that I simply cannot stand, you'll get all technical on a free kick like that, but decry more obvious ones against your own team.

You and your lot have ruined football. A throw is a throw, drilling down to the level is what makes the AFL umpiring shit.

 

[MrKK]

honestly, it is supporters like you that I simply cannot stand, you'll get all technical on a free kick like that, but decry more obvious ones against your own team.

You and your lot have ruined football. A throw is a throw, drilling down to the level is what makes the AFL umpiring shit.

Where have I challenged any free kicks against us? If Laird wasn't penalised then I wouldn't have lost any sleep over it and it would have been more consistent with how they interpreted many similar disposals in the game that were let go. But it was technically a throw, which makes it strange that the AFL would come out and say otherwise.

 

[Cap]

Where have I challenged any free kicks against us? If Laird wasn't penalised then I wouldn't have lost any sleep over it and it would have been more consistent with how they interpreted many similar disposals in the game that were let go. But it was technically a throw, which makes it strange that the AFL would come out and say otherwise.

I guess the AFL don't believe it is technically a throw? and so they shouldn't.

the majority of issues with the AFL at the moment is a focus on the ridiculous.

A throw is a throw - i.e you throw the ball.

Incorrect disposal also covers blokes who just drop it when tackled (never ****ing paid), but when a bloke makes an attempt like Laird and the difference is minute, it should never ever be penalised as that was never the intention of the rule (nor the player).

It is the same as when a bloke gets turned 180 and gets out the handball only to be pinged HTB.

 

[Slippery Pete]

McGinnity is a cheat, pure and simple.

That's ridiculous.

 

[Cap]

That's ridiculous.

to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice

if the shoe fits? and it does.

 

[Slippery Pete]

to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice

if the shoe fits? and it does.

Being adept at drawing free kicks is a skill.

It's up to the umpires to identify staging and then not pay the free kick. It will kill it off pretty quickly.

It is in no way the players' responsibility. You take what you can get on a footy field. Once the umpire blows that whistle and you get the free kick, happy days. The end justifies the means.

 

[Cap]

Being adept at drawing free kicks is a skill.

It's up to the umpires to identify staging and then not pay the free kick. It will kill it off pretty quickly.

It is in no way the players' responsibility. You take what you can get on a footy field. Once the umpire blows that whistle and you get the free kick, happy days. The end justifies the means.

in reality the same applies to everything in life.

but it is still cheating regardless of how you sugar coat it.

 

[Niximus]

Being adept at drawing free kicks is a skill.

It's up to the umpires to identify staging and then not pay the free kick. It will kill it off pretty quickly.

It is in no way the players' responsibility. You take what you can get on a footy field. Once the umpire blows that whistle and you get the free kick, happy days. The end justifies the means.

Drawing a free kick is playing in a manner which causes the opposition to infringe upon you.

Pretending that your opponent has infringed upon you when they really haven't to try and fool the umpire is not drawing a free kick, it is staging.

The umpires take some of the blame as they should not only not pay the free kick, but they should report the player for staging, but those doing the staging also deserve to be criticised.

 

[Slippery Pete]

in reality the same applies to everything in life.

but it is still cheating regardless of how you sugar coat it.

It can't be cheating if it's approved by the governing body. The minute the umpire blows the whistle, the action is approved. There is no asterix next to free kicks gained as a result of staging, nor is there an asterix next to any score or subsequent result arising from it.

A guy gets caught for drugs, for example - even in retrospect - his achievements are struck from the record books. Why? Because he cheated.

No sports governing body in history has gone back and looked at a player who staged for a referee's decision and then rescinded the result.

It ain't cheating mate. It never has been and it never will be.