Jack Viney

[ROOTA#6]

dog act, bloke had is arms held so he goes for the head.

4-6

You are a joke mate. If Viney meant any harm with a bump they would still be scraping Lynch up of the turf. Some of you blokes on here must be world class athletes if you think you could have avoided that type of incident yourselves

 

[footy4ever]

You are a joke mate. If Viney meant any harm with a bump they would still be scraping Lynch up of the turf. Some of you blokes on here must be world class athletes if you think you could have avoided that type of incident yourselves

I am a world class athlete. I'm an olympic sleeper.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

Hope he gets off this one. Really bad luck for Lynch, but it would be interesting to know if his jaw was broken by Viney or the other player in the bump. It didn't look to be that clearly or intentionally high, and Viney got the ball straight after which showed where his intention for coming in so hard was.

 

[JackFlash]

If Viney gets rubbed out for that then the game is truly stuffed beyond repair...

 

[wittzy]

I find it amusing that all the Viney defence theorists are Melbourne-centric Myopics .. including all those on "Footy 360" and "On the Couch" ...
It is also bemusing that the (Victorian) Dr Peter Larkin discussion on Ed & Dermie's a "Bit Weak on Footy" was mysteriously "pulled" and not shown. Strange????
After this PL segment was aired a couple of weeks back it clearly influenced the "mood" in Melbourne-centric Myopia areas, who clearly had Richard Douglas cards marked in advance.

Please click on this link (below) .. and Fast forward past Eddie's crap on Dale Thomas to about the 4min 30sec mark ...
It is extremely apparent to any rational viewer where contact is made and how Tom Lynch's Jaw is broken in 2 places on the left-hand side. It is nigh impossible to argue that it was Georgiou's Head that did the damage !!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/video...guhs3hyEkn4Vo7qpm/AFL-round-seven-injury-list

Good luck to the Melbourne defence team at the tribunal .. I agree Jack Viney is a fine player (of good SA pedigree) and a ball player.
I don't believe Ziebell, Fyfe, Douglas etc. are any less - SO, maybe it takes a "Melbourne-centric Scalp" to occur before you Melbourne-centric myopics actually realise how ridiculous the MRP is to base a penalty on the "Outcome" or "Consequences" rather than the "Actions" or "Intent"?

 

[bigtexan]

Hope he gets off this one. Really bad luck for Lynch, but it would be interesting to know if his jaw was broken by Viney or the other player in the bump. It didn't look to be that clearly or intentionally high, and Viney got the ball straight after which showed where his intention for coming in so hard was.

Jaws got two breaks on left hand side... Viney side not georgiou side

 

[ptrg]

Dude. You need to get outside. Your conspiracy theory is, well, crazy..

 

[Kummerspeck]

went to bump and accidentally got him high

dog act, bloke had is arms held so he goes for the head.

4-6

Que?

 

[Ron The Bear]

I find it amusing that all the Viney defence theorists are Melbourne-centric Myopics .. including all those on "Footy 360" and "On the Couch" ...
It is also bemusing that the (Victorian) Dr Peter Larkin discussion on Ed & Dermie's a "Bit Weak on Footy" was mysteriously "pulled" and not shown. Strange????
After this PL segment was aired a couple of weeks back it clearly influenced the "mood" in Melbourne-centric Myopia areas, who clearly had Richard Douglas cards marked in advance.

Nobody gives a fat rat's clacker about Melbourne, even in Melbourne. See someone about that paranoia.

Yeah his jaw got broken on the Viney side. It was an accident. "Duty of care", tenuous or otherwise, loses out when it's up against being singled out in front of the team for not going. It wasn't in Viney's instincts to do anything else but contest the ball.

 

[The Joker]

Funny how people are claiming Viney did not choose to bump. He is standing square on in the 1st frame, from there he turns his body and his shoulder collects Lynch flush in the jaw.

Just to put it into some perspective, you can catch, turn, jump and shoot a basketball in 0.7 seconds.

 

[BG32]

Funny how people are claiming Viney did not choose to bump. He is standing square on in the 1st frame, from there he turns his body and his shoulder collects Lynch flush in the jaw.

Just to put it into some perspective, you can catch, turn, jump and shoot a basketball in 0.7 seconds.

He braces for impact. Sees he's about to get steamrolled so stands his ground and lynch gets written off

 

[Vader]

If a bone wasn't broken, it wouldn't have been anything, but the AFL cares about how things look more than the facts, so he'll get a week.

If no bones were broken he'd only be looking at 4 weeks, down to 3. It would still be Reckless/High/High for the concussion. The broken jaw elevates the "Impact" factor to "Severe".

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Two players collide, one gets up with damage to his jaw he didn't have before they collided. How difficult is that? Even with inconclusive video you could come to that conclusion.

How do you think his jaw was broken? Impact to the chest sent a shockwave into his head shattering his jaw? His head colliding with the player behind him caused the jaw on the other side of his head to break?

Every chance that Georgio broke his jaw, not Viney.

Is there something about this that you are struggling to understand?

 

[The Joker]

He braces for impact. Sees he's about to get steamrolled so stands his ground and lynch gets written off

He for one does not "stand his ground". He is still on the move, then HE turns his body. The FACT he turns his body means he chose to bump.

Is it that hard to think he could have stayed square on and tackled him chest on?

 

[Vader]

Who knows but you cannot prove that it was broken because Viney collected him high. The force of the collision threw his head back into Georgio's from what I can see but there is no evidence that Viney hit Lynch high at all.

You do realise that this is completely irrelevant? It matters not one iota whether the injury resulted from Lynch's head hitting Viney's shoulder (which it obviously did), or Lynch & Georgiou clashing heads. The way the rule is defined, Viney is responsible for both clashes, because he was the one who instigated the contact and cannonballed Lynch into Georgiou.

 

[Smithalicious]

If a bone wasn't broken, it wouldn't have been anything, but the AFL cares about how things look more than the facts, so he'll get a week.

He'll get weeks because there was a broken jaw, if fyfe and douglas hadn't caused concussion through the accidental hit of the head after a good bump there would be nothing to claim either but because there is a head clash and injury because of it there is a case to answer.

AFL base it on the injury, not the intent. I could deck someone and as long as the injury was mild, even though i put all my effort into it, i would get off lightly compared to someone who accidentally knocked someone out in a footy accident.

The AFL just need to set a whole bunch of precedents based on video evidence and not based on the injury and make rulings from there. Until then we will all be unsure of the result.

 

[Vader]

Every chance that Georgio broke his jaw, not Viney.

Is there something about this that you are struggling to understand?

Once again, you do realise that this is completely and utterly irrelevant?

Here is the relevant definition, taken from the Tribuntal Booklet:

In determining the level of impact regard shall be had not only to the impact between the offending player and the victim player, but also any other impact to the victim player as a result of such impact. By way of an example, where a victim player as a result of the impact from the offending player is pushed into the path of a fast-moving third player, the impact to the victim player may be classified as high or severe, even though the level of impact between the offending player and the victim player was only low or medium.

In other words, if player A (Viney) impacts player B (Lynch) and forces them into player C (Georgiou), Player A is liable for any impact suffered as a result of players B & C colliding.

Viney is responsible, even in the highly unlikely event that the damage was done when Lynch & Georgiou clashed heads, rather than when Viney's shoulder smashed into Lynch's jaw.

 

[ROOTA#6]

So what was the bloody outcome

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Once again, you do realise that this is completely and utterly irrelevant?

Here is the relevant definition, taken from the Tribuntal Booklet:

In other words, if player A (Viney) impacts player B (Lynch) and forces them into player C (Georgiou), Player A is liable for any impact suffered as a result of players B & C colliding.

Viney is responsible, even in the highly unlikely event that the damage was done when Lynch & Georgiou clashed heads, rather than when Viney's shoulder smashed into Lynch's jaw.

And nothing you say is relevant because Viney DID NOT instigate contact. He simply turned to protect himself as he is entitled to do. He did not move towards the player.

It is an absolute beat up perpetrated by the AFL and you bleeding heart Crow supporters.

 

[Vader]

And nothing you say is relevant because Viney DID NOT instigate contact. He simply turned to protect himself as he is entitled to do. He did not move towards the player.

It is an absolute beat up perpetrated by the AFL and you bleeding heart Crow supporters.

Ummm.. no. Nice conspiracy theory, pity there's nothing to it but hot air. Viney had the choice, he chose to bump. When a player chooses to bump they know they're in deep trouble if they make contact with the head. Viney not only made contact with Lynch's head, he broke his jaw. Game Over.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Ummm.. no. Nice conspiracy theory, pity there's nothing to it but hot air. Viney had the choice, he chose to bump. When a player chooses to bump they know they're in deep trouble if they make contact with the head. Viney not only made contact with Lynch's head, he broke his jaw. Game Over.

He didn't have the choice. He didn't have enough time to make the choice. He protected himself and DID NOT move off his line. Every single expert on the game agrees with this summation.

Keep crying fella.

 

[Smithalicious]

No, Viney definitely did not hit Lynch's head..... Also did you hear that Viney just held his ground, didn't lift his body into it as well, it's why his feet are planted to the ground.

Anyways, I personally believe it is accidental and the Review system next year need to rectify same but as there have been rulings due to the injury that has been incurred Viney will get games. You can't cut and change throughout the year as it will cause confusion and Clubs complaining about the rulings placed down beforehand.

 

[Vader]

Not crying. Quite frankly, I don't think he should get done for it - neither should Fyfe or Douglas for that matter. At the end of the day though, the AFL has made it abundantly clear that the head is to be protected at all costs. That means that Viney will go, for 5 reduced to 3. He has to, given the precedents that the tribunal has already set this season.

 

[LBJ6]

He for one does not "stand his ground". He is still on the move, then HE turns his body. The FACT he turns his body means he chose to bump.

Is it that hard to think he could have stayed square on and tackled him chest on?

Watch the actual, real time footage instead of looking at stills which cover 1/10th of a second and then try and tell me Viney was not bracing for impact.

He completely slowed down and only once he realised Lynch and Georgiou were not stopping was when he turned to the side to brace for impact.

 

[headache1]

If Viney gets rubbed out for that then the game is truly stuffed beyond repair...

I think the mere fact that this statement seems to be appearing more and more often is an indication that it already is.