Jack Watts vs Tyrone Vickery
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Vickery has shown more and has a definitive position, he can hold down the goal square on his own and can pinch-hit ruck.
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Why are you so obsessed with Jack Watts?
Vickery at the moment, can't say which will be better in the future.
In 4-5 years time, Vickery will be our ruckman anyway. I believe both will be star players of the game.
I do believe that Vickery is the better forward due to his over-head marking, athleticism and size. He also hits the scoreboard more often. Watts is still too under developed for my liking, give him a few more years.
In 4-5 years time, Vickery will be our ruckman anyway. I believe both will be star players of the game.
I do believe that Vickery is the better forward due to his over-head marking, athleticism and size. He also hits the scoreboard more often. Watts is still too under developed for my liking, give him a few more years.
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I think Watts will become a superstar. Many people thought because he was a #1 draft pick he should have had a massive impact from the start, People should know key position players take longer to develop, some faster than others.
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is this a serious poll? 
Watts by as far as humanly possible.
Watts by as far as humanly possible.
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Tyrone's ahead at the moment. He's shown more as a forward to date but Watts isn't really big enough just yet.
Vickery will probably end up as the clubs number 1 ruck though.
Vickery will probably end up as the clubs number 1 ruck though.
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Watts. He will turn out pretty good but no where near as good as the Dees fans think he will be
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is this a serious poll?
Watts by as far as humanly possible.
Vickery takes contested marks and kicks goals (36 2011)...he can also ruck.
Watts gets cheap touches on the HBF.....
Vickery!
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I'm a big Vickery fan, but I would still take Watts ahead of him.
Watts just has more strings to his bow IMO; better footskills, all round athleticism, x-factor... he's a much more versatile player.
Vickery will be an excellent 'out of the goalsquare' type player; 12-14 touches and 2.5-3 goals per game... that's where his future is IMO; forget playing him as a full time ruck, he has too good an understanding of a forward role to be wasted there.
Watts will be a roaming CHF, in his peak I don't imagine he will be kicking to many more than 55 goals as a CHF but I envision him getting a fair bit more of the ball than a CHF would normally (averaging somewhere between 22-5 disposals a game).
That's just how I see it.
Richmond may well think Vickery has more potential as a first ruck/resting forward where he kicks 25-35 goals a year and averages 15-20 hitouts a game...
Watts may be considered more suited to playing a traditional CHF role, averaging 18-20 disposals per game and 2.5-3.5 goals per game.
Who knows?
What I believe is that both will become very good, and probably elite, players whatever their roles.
Watts just has more strings to his bow IMO; better footskills, all round athleticism, x-factor... he's a much more versatile player.
Vickery will be an excellent 'out of the goalsquare' type player; 12-14 touches and 2.5-3 goals per game... that's where his future is IMO; forget playing him as a full time ruck, he has too good an understanding of a forward role to be wasted there.
Watts will be a roaming CHF, in his peak I don't imagine he will be kicking to many more than 55 goals as a CHF but I envision him getting a fair bit more of the ball than a CHF would normally (averaging somewhere between 22-5 disposals a game).
That's just how I see it.
Richmond may well think Vickery has more potential as a first ruck/resting forward where he kicks 25-35 goals a year and averages 15-20 hitouts a game...
Watts may be considered more suited to playing a traditional CHF role, averaging 18-20 disposals per game and 2.5-3.5 goals per game.
Who knows?
What I believe is that both will become very good, and probably elite, players whatever their roles.
And you are basing this on what exactly?
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Pretty decent post, although I'd disagree on the athleticism and versatility.
Although those are some pretty high numbers, Carey-esque almost.
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Personally I think Carey would have averaged low 20's and kicking around 85 goals a season in his peak if he was playing currently.
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He hasn't shown enough to show he is the 2nd coming of Jesus
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He might be the third though!
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Vickery will be a gun IMO; I rate him very high.
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Vickery has kicked more goals in 2011 than What Watts has kicked in his whole AFL career. pretty telling fact when comparing these 2 players.
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Vickery is one of the best 200cm tall players in traffic you will ever see. Very quick and agile for his size.
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I disagree, Vickery's turning circle is very impressive for a 2m tall lad, countless times he turned his opponent inside out with some fancy footwork.
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Why is everyone so obsessed with Jack?
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Because they've spent 09' and 10' ripping into him constantly and want him to fail so they don't look like complete idiots.
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Do Tigers fans see Vickery as staying a KPF?
IMO it would be a waste for him to spend anymore than 30% game time as a ruck or ruck the forward line.
IMO it would be a waste for him to spend anymore than 30% game time as a ruck or ruck the forward line.
No. He will be our CHF for a few more years, 3 at most. Once that spurt is finished, he will become our 1st ruckman and he will dominate there. However, another likely option is that in those 3 years, Andy Browne might come on, making Vicks our permanent CHF.
