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Far Kern said:
What is the source for these figures and what do the figures actually represent? Ever used? Regular usage? In the last week? What?

I don’t necessarily disagree with your point. I just don’t see how these graphs, as they are, mean anything specific.

I also find it very hard to believe that meth use decreased in those 15 years. I don’t believe it.

A quick google shows me that the number of people that admit to using meth regularly has increased significantly in recent years, that hospital and emergency services workers support this. Lumping meth and amphetamines together in a set of graphs like this further undermines their value in interpreting harm in my opinion.
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Govt figures from the widest survey of its kind. Survey standard is "Recent Use" defined as used in the last 12 months.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/ill...16-key-findings/contents/illicit-use-of-drugs

Meth / Amphetamines is a broad bucket and while Ice use has certainly risen there is the net effect of drop off in use of other types.
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OneGreatClub said:
Give it a rest, it has been done to death.
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Fair comment, but the reason it won't die is not about the Wingard trade per se but about the wider malaise that has enveloped the club as a result of poor leadership and management.

Wingard is an immense talent who lacks motivation and possibly showed early signs of not being fully committed to the cause. If we didn't push him out, we certainly held the door open as he departed.

Hinkley is a mediocre coach who lacks tactical acumen and threatened to walk out on us. We panicked and bent over backwards to sign him up to a long term deal over a single weekend.

This isn't on Hinkley or Wingard, this is on management and the board.

A lot of people have completely lost faith in the judgement of those running the club and their ability to make good decisions. Until we start seeing proof the comments about trading out Wingard will continue. If Wingard recaptures his AA form at the Hawks and Hinkley continues to spud it up, the floodgates will open. Unfortunately I reckon this is the most plausible scenario.
 

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Wingard paid a big price through a lack of self control
SPP paid a reasonable price through a lack of discipline

Now what to do with Watts?

He's soft as butter, doesn't deliver on potential, refuses to contest for the ball and has no discipline. If he remains in the 22, we will finish bottom 8 and like cancer we will see the rot spread through the squad.

2019 is about building for the future and Watts' inclusion will only delay our rebuild be 1 to 3 years.
 
Just like Wingard being a lazy little shit at training explains an awful lot as to why he never reached the heights he should have at Port, Watts being a cocksman explains an awful lot as to why he never reached the heights he should have at Melbourne.

That’s why I’m expecting him to really turn it around this year. Boak says he’s turned it around off field and has been making significant changes for the better so it sounds like the penny has dropped.

Like the Jews hitting Christ at Sanhedrin, the knockers will soon get their comeuppance.
 
Janus said:
Just like Wingard being a lazy little shit at training explains an awful lot as to why he never reached the heights he should have at Port, Watts being a cocksman explains an awful lot as to why he never reached the heights he should have at Melbourne.

That’s why I’m expecting him to really turn it around this year. Boak says he’s turned it around off field and has been making significant changes for the better so it sounds like the penny has dropped.

Like the Jews hitting Christ at Sanhedrin, the knockers will soon get their comeuppance.
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His best is serviceable he'll never be a star that shipped sailed long before his Port days, the penny dropping would just mean consistently contributing nothing more.
 
JimmyBeerCans said:
His best is serviceable he'll never be a star that shipped sailed long before his Port days, the penny dropping would just mean consistently contributing nothing more.
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You’ve never seen his best. No one has.
 
Janus said:
Just like Wingard being a lazy little shit at training explains an awful lot as to why he never reached the heights he should have at Port, Watts being a cocksman explains an awful lot as to why he never reached the heights he should have at Melbourne.

That’s why I’m expecting him to really turn it around this year. Boak says he’s turned it around off field and has been making significant changes for the better so it sounds like the penny has dropped.

Like the Jews hitting Christ at Sanhedrin, the knockers will soon get their comeuppance.
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Boak is in a better position to make the call than me.

However, leopards don't change their spots. If Boak wants to make that call, he should put his head on the block with Watts.
 

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Some people lose focus on what it takes to make the best of their opportunity when it comes to being a high draft, they've had smoke blown up their arse from the moment they started playing okay football in the under age competitions that they don't understand what commitment actually is.

They also think that just because they've gotten this far purely on talent that what got them there will be the factor that differentiates themselves from other players. They think that they only need to improve on their strengths because working on their weakness will make them less of a player.

To be one of the better players in the AFL you need to be proficient to elite in some of the main categories: skill, athleticism, game sense, positioning.

Tangible qualities:
Skill: The most straight forward out of all of them, are you able to carry out the basics mechanics required to play the game? Kicking, Hand balling, Marking, Tackling etc.

Athleticism: Ability to carry out the physical requirements of the game, usually seen as the point of difference between most players early in their careers because it's the easiest to see.

Intangible qualities
Game Sense: What decisions are to be made at what time, this is usually tied up with the skill category because it requires some way of carrying out these decisions correctly. (Shaun Burgoyne has made a career at Hawthorn for being someone who is well known for making critical decisions at the right time)

Positioning: This is one of the more critical components of AFL that usually mean that if you are good at this part of the game, you really stand out. For some players their athleticism can cover these deficiencies (Dougal Howard's closing speed can cover for his average positioning) or contribute to good positioning
(Jeremy McGovern)

So where does Jack Watts fit into these categories?

Skill - Undoubtedly he's mechanically very polished in some and it's literally the main reason he got drafted. Other areas he's a total and utter train wreck

Athleticism - Strong in some areas, incredibly poor in others. He's rather quick I guess.

Game Sense - Insanely slow decision maker but can cover it sometimes with good execution.

Positioning - Inconsistent as hell.

All round, he's just very, very average.
 
PatientMental said:
Some people lose focus on what it takes to make the best of their opportunity when it comes to being a high draft, they've had smoke blown up their arse from the moment they started playing okay football in the under age competitions that they don't understand what commitment actually is.

They also think that just because they've gotten this far purely on talent that what got them there will be the factor that differentiates themselves from other players. They think that they only need to improve on their strengths because working on their weakness will make them less of a player.

To be one of the better players in the AFL you need to be proficient to elite in some of the main categories: skill, athleticism, game sense, positioning.

Tangible qualities:
Skill: The most straight forward out of all of them, are you able to carry out the basics mechanics required to play the game? Kicking, Hand balling, Marking, Tackling etc.

Athleticism: Ability to carry out the physical requirements of the game, usually seen as the point of difference between most players early in their careers because it's the easiest to see.

Intangible qualities
Game Sense: What decisions are to be made at what time, this is usually tied up with the skill category because it requires some way of carrying out these decisions correctly. (Shaun Burgoyne has made a career at Hawthorn for being someone who is well known for making critical decisions at the right time)

Positioning: This is one of the more critical components of AFL that usually mean that if you are good at this part of the game, you really stand out. For some players their athleticism can cover these deficiencies (Dougal Howard's closing speed can cover for his average positioning) or contribute to good positioning
(Jeremy McGovern)

So where does Jack Watts fit into these categories?

Skill - Undoubtedly he's mechanically very polished in some and it's literally the main reason he got drafted. Other areas he's a total and utter train wreck

Athleticism - Strong in some areas, incredibly poor in others. He's rather quick I guess.

Game Sense - Insanely slow decision maker but can cover it sometimes with good execution.

Positioning - Inconsistent as hell.

All round, he's just very, very average.
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Jack in a nut shell, good post.
 
Jack Watts season according to the prospectus.

Fewer disposals but above average.

Poor forward target. (fourth worst out of top 50 targets for retaining possession)

Elite kicking. (equal 5th best of 74 forwards)

Elite pressure acts and above average tackles.

So...he's a pretty good player who tried hard but is a crap forward. Jack Watts for wing?
 
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rumoursofwinter said:
Jack Watts season according to the prospectus.

Fewer disposals but above average.

Poor forward target. (fourth worst out of top 50 targets for retaining possession)

Elite kicking. (equal 5th best of 74 forwards)

Elite pressure acts and above average tackles.

So...he's a pretty good player who try hard but is a crap forward. Jack Watts for wing?
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Every one is a crap forward under Lade. Why anyone tried to play him in the same role he failed at with Melbourne has me stumped. It’s almost like there was a deliberate attempt to make the new recruits look as shit as possible.
 
JimmyBeerCans said:
His best is serviceable he'll never be a star that shipped sailed long before his Port days, the penny dropping would just mean consistently contributing nothing more.
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I'd say his current best is serviceable. His ceiling though is much higher than what he has delivered to date. Westhoff has arguably played career best footy in the last couple of years so there's amply opportunity for Watts to find that higher gear.
 
Janus said:
Every one is a crap forward under Lade. Why anyone tried to play him in the same role he failed at with Melbourne has me stumped. It’s almost like there was a deliberate attempt to make the new recruits look as shit as possible.
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Having guys like Wines, SPP, Rocky and Ebert delivering into the forward line must make it tricky for the forwards. If we had a forward line.

Very briefly, the prospectus seems to blame the midfield bulls for losing contested football and changing tactics from a forward press to system that defends deep for the teams malaise in 2018.
 
Watts was drafted as a KPF, but hasn't developed much physically since he was drafted. He doesn't have the build of a KPF.

He is extremely quick off the mark on a lead, but has played all his footy to midfields who move the ball slowly and can't deliver the ball accurately, which completely takes away this advantage. Every midfield he's played in so far has just bombed it into the forward line.

In my opinion his other problem is that he does what he's told. If he's told to keep his opponent away from being able to double-team Dixon (or, earlier, Hogan), that's what he'll do - he'll take his opponent out of the game, but it takes him out of the game too. There's no question that he played his best footy under by far his best coach - Paul Roos - who challenged him to be more than just a "bit player" and to take responsibility for helping to win the game, and also backed him in to play a more central role as a link player. Which is where he plays his best footy, because his decision making & ball use is as good as anyone in the game.

But he needs to get the ball at least 25 times a game, not 17. And he should be instructed to shoot for goal whenever he gets the ball inside f50, not to look for someone in a better position. He needs to take more responsibility - much more.

And if his offseason trouble results in him no longer being content with being a happy-go-lucky bit player, he might go OK.

But his performance so far suggests that the odds are against it.
 

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