Jake stringer - do not want!

[Cataholic]

Sure is.

Well, who woulda thunk it?

 

[witsend]

Bottom-line, he got married to a child-hood sweetheart and had kids too early, then got fame and truck-loads of money. He wasn't/isn't emotionally mature enough to handle the temptation and there were clearly plenty of "opportunities" wanting to be a "star-****er". Let's not hang a human out to dry just yet. It is clearly a very serious life issue he and his ex have (and their kids) but it's only vaguely interesting 'cos he's famous. He will play AFL again, bookmark it! He will **** up or he won't, with us or someone else. I'm always in the "give a person a second chance" camp unless they don't show genuine remorse.

 

[Seeds]

let's go back to basic. Get some gems in the draft and we will be competing in 2 years time while Selwood and Hawkins are still playing. Easy route is never the way to win a premiership. We have recruited enough players from other clubs in past 2 years. Hope Scott understands this.

Draft picks is the way we should go. But its naive to think it will be 2 years. It will be 8 atleast if we start now.

 

[The Unforgiven]

Yeh because nobody ever made mistakes in their youth and ever turned it around before. So he likes to root, gamble and has an ego. Not in the minority of AFL footballers i would imagine.

Of course people make mistakes, but I don't want our club to be a test bed for whether Stringer can turn his life around. The risk is if he can't, he destabilises the club and playing group.

 

[dazbroncos]

I realise that in the day of instant this and that, that article might have seemed like a good idea at the time - even the $$ payoff for it - but now its on the net and will be there forever. Great for the kids.

Clearly there are big issues on both sides, professionally and personally - and need to be addressed - but I fail to see how the trial by publicity can help.

I get the stresses and pressures can lead to massively poor judgement - and it seems there's been plenty to go around on both sides.

The big question is what risk does the make Stringer to clubs. Clubs are emotive, passionate transient places that take a special connection or buy in by the group as a whole to succeed - and oft therein lies a discipline rare to achieve and almost impossible to maintain.

Stringer has been a part of that once so he knows what is required. Will he correct his ways and allow himself to be corrected and buy into another scheme fully or will the distractions off the field be too much.

Clubs do their due diligence and while his off field antics leave a lot to be desired, there is not a club out there that has not got a player(s) on their lists that face the same issues.

Just comes down to price, risk aversion and the promise of a 22 year old kid blessed with all kinds of talent, a cheque book and a contract based with caveats.

Go Catters

 

[The Unforgiven]

Or maybe she has some integrity and is no longer prepared to put up with the slagging off she's copped, no matter the cost? Does anyone think also that this story has been done for awhile and the HS were just waiting for an opportune time to air it in their own best interests?

Definitely. My post wasn't meant to suggest that I felt it was an accurate portrayal of what was reality. I was merely indulging in the suggestion that if it were opportunistic, the timing was perfect to maximise damage.

My personal view is that Abby has gone through hell and having it out on public record to quash all the rumours which would no doubt surface over the next few months/years is probably a good move.

I do have to question why it took Abby this long to figure Jake out, though. The article stated he was a gambler since the age of sixteen - I'm sure there were other things happening throughout that time that should have set alarm bells off?

 

[Deep]

I realise that in the day of instant this and that, that article might have seemed like a good idea at the time - even the $$ payoff for it - but now its on the net and will be there forever. Great for the kids.

Clearly there are big issues on both sides, professionally and personally - and need to be addressed - but I fail to see how the trial by publicity can help.

I get the stresses and pressures can lead to massively poor judgement - and it seems there's been plenty to go around on both sides.

The big question is what risk does the make Stringer to clubs. Clubs are emotive, passionate transient places that take a special connection or buy in by the group as a whole to succeed - and oft therein lies a discipline rare to achieve and almost impossible to maintain.

Stringer has been a part of that once so he knows what is required. Will he correct his ways and allow himself to be corrected and buy into another scheme fully or will the distractions off the field be too much.

Clubs do their due diligence and while his off field antics leave a lot to be desired, there is not a club out there that has not got a player(s) on their lists that face the same issues.

Just comes down to price, risk aversion and the promise of a 22 year old kid blessed with all kinds of talent, a cheque book and a contract based with caveats.

Go Catters

Speaking of talent Purple wrote a piece about such a few days ago. If we get him wouldn't you just love this to be true? http://afl.com.au/news/2017-09-28/can-stringer-become-another-dusty

 

[Mahlepi]

Will you get any prediction close this year ?

nope - i am always wrong
just listen to brian waldron

 

[Willo_]

Look, you're right about his footy. But maybe the reason for that is all that we now know?

I've watched plenty of footy this year and I can say one thing. Sometimes you watch Stringer and think "my god this guy is unstoppable". And then the next week you think "where the f*** is stringer".

I tell you what. Let's do a deal. Blicavs for stringer. Straight swap. You in?

What time should I drop Blitz off at the Western Oval?

 

[dangerwood]

It certainly justifies being let go from a club with poor leadership.

His actions do not justify his talent being thrown to the scrapheap by all and sundry.

A lot of competitive people can come off as dickheads at some point in their life.

A lot of them also turn it around and with the right leadership can gain both emotional maturity and professionalism.

When i was fired in my early 20s for being a dickhead, it was one of the best things to happen to me professionally and emotionally, in the longer term.

Yep some can turn it around, some don't. Im not actually that confident we do have the strong leadership required. If scarlo or someone who was at the dogs reckons hes got it in him, go for it, but id be cautious.

 

[CaptainJayho]

Each to their own but personally I'd hope the club wouldn't touch him with a barge-pole.

 

[dazbroncos]

BMAC didnt comment on the article, but he did say that a fresh start would be good and find a stable environment that helps his footy and his family.

Stringer has all kinds of talent - will be interesting to see what happens.

BMAC not going to GCS as this stage.

Bluey asked if GFC called him when Hocking left.. he was not called but would not rule out going back if contacted.

Go Catters

 

[nohairandfair]

I've never been particularly impressed with him as a footballer.

Has a weird tip-toe action for a gait and is one of those selfish type footballers that likes the heroics rather than doing the team orientated stuff.

Goes missing all too often and even in the grand final last year where the Bulldogs were flying he was ordinary at best.

For someone who exhibits only spasmodic form there is just too much risk in him being a disruptive and dislocating influence around the club.

 

[Cat of Ages]

Plenty more if you can be bothered thinking about it.

I come back to The fact that a 23 year old all Australian forward. Who is a legit gun. Is so Disruptive that his club have flicked him mid contract. Think about that.

Catsmaninamerica, Thanks for starting this thread, as unpleasant as a lot of it is. As a Cat fan, on the question of the club, I am hearing and agreeing with your main point which is in relation to the effect of a person or a group on a culture. The impression from the HS article is not that Stringer just lacks judgment but that he is completely out of control in his various behaviours. And we know that something about him - whatever it was - led him to be unprofessional as a footballer. I do worry that there is a saviour mentality in some footy circles - seemingly Catland, too - that troubled or problem people can be fixed, at least to the point of being able to be professional about football. But is there a lot of evidence that this commendable view is accurate?

In passing, I also note the comment Matthew Lloyd made on Footy Classified several weeks ago, that he had heard that the biggest problem clubs have is not abuse of drink/drugs but actually gambling. This point seems to have gone through to the keeper in the media -- can't imagine why -- but do we think Geelong is immune to this? And when this problem -- if none other -- has been named in relation to a potential 'gun' recruit, do we really want him?

So I agree with you - do not want.

 

[dazbroncos]

we are done here for a bit..

Feminism is a great and worthy topic, but not needed in this thread about Stringer.

Will open it again after the clean up. May take 24 hours or so.

GO Catters

 

[David the Cat]

Shelf life has been reached....

 

[dazbroncos]

Ok.

This thread has been for the most part santised I think.

The discussion is to remain about Jake Stringer and his potential or otherwise and the GFC.

Editorials or OP ED pieces about the cause, gender or nature of personal development are not required here.

Stick to the topic.
There wont be a second reminder.

Go Catters

 

[selwoodsbandage]

Jake Stringer would improve our side. Lock thread again please.

 

[Down at K Park]

Might be a good thing his ex ratted him out. Put it all out there so the clubs know about it. Better than having it hidden.

 

[Daniel McL]

Might be a good thing his ex ratted him out. Put it all out there so the clubs know about it. Better than having it hidden.

Think the clubs interested (Essendon/Geelong etc) knew already to be honest.

So could be a good thing that he knows it's out in the public so he tries his best to change for the better as a person & earn respect back from the community, and also train hard consistently.

Or it could be a bad thing that it's come out to the public and he might feel like everyone's against him at the moment. Could be feeling low/down for a while.

I'm sure his manager would be doing his best to cheer him up. Guess we'll see

 

[Shell]

Yeah I'm all for second chances. Time will tell- and action >>> talk.

My overall opinion of the man tho (not that it matters because who cares really) will not change over time, for some time.

 

[Matthew Jelley]

I would hope he can have a fair crack at turning things around. If Geelong get him there needs to be some strict rules laid out

 

[Strange Cat]

I would hope he can have a fair crack at turning things around. If Geelong get him there needs to be some strict rules laid out

My number one hope would be for him to get help for the gambling, as that should be his biggest concern for his future.

The rooting around and cheating can take care of itself with some maturity, but really shouldn’t be anyone else’s concern but himself.

 

[AM]

Jake Stringer would improve our side. Lock thread again please.

Hasn't done that at the Bullies in the last two years. In fact the opposite.

Unless we are 100% sure his off field issues are in the past we should pass. It wasn't only the coaching staff at the Bullies who wanted to show him the door there was also a push from many of the players. Dysfunctional people can be a cancer. Sir Alex Ferguson used to speak of talent without unity of purpose being a hopelessly devalued currency.

 

[Mahlepi]

The issue about his gambling is not relevant unless it stops him from competing as best he can. No-one has said he has reached D.Schwartz level.

As for the affair, its his life. As long no other players partners or people at the club are involved, then it is a side issue. His morals, etc. All these perfect people have not made mistakes as they have a perfect keyboard.

Does he improve our list - Yes
IS he mentally up for a change to get the best out him is the real key -

We rolled the dice and paid a similar price on Mitch Clark. His mental state was nowhere near as bad as Stringers. We even excused crap comments made by Mitch, and his off field behaviour was not of an angel. For all those reasons i believe a pick in the 20s is fine for the potential reward. You just need the right exit clauses in his contract.

This decision is simpler than it appears.