Traded Jake Stringer [traded to Essendon]

[TiAn_]

No he is saying that because that's generally how the vast majority of trades work under the current system, nothing to do with stringer specifically.

Geelong also have a lot more than 'nothing' to offer.

And also because he supports Geelong, the only team with no currency for a Stringer trade.

The last contracted player that nominated a club was Bryce Gibbs. Yet you're no doubt referring to uncontracted players, which is irrelevant.

It's funny how club allegiance adversely impacts upon common sense so frequently.

 

[TiAn_]

He is not coming back.

Didn't say he was. I said it's an option that isn't there with uncontracted players.

Meaning, he can't walk if he nominates Geelong and we say "They have no value to trade for you, we're not interested; you can go to x, y or z instead."

 

[DanA]

Didn't say he was. I said it's an option that isn't there with uncontracted players.

Meaning, he can't walk if he nominates Geelong and we say "They have no value to trade for you, we're not interested; you can go to x, y or z instead."

And what happens when it gets to the final hour of deadline day and nobody flinches?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Didn't say he was. I said it's an option that isn't there with uncontracted players.

Meaning, he can't walk if he nominates Geelong and we say "They have no value to trade for you, we're not interested; you can go to x, y or z instead."

You sound like me when we were losing Carlisle and Hibberd haha don't worry I feel where u are coming from.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

And also because he supports Geelong, the only team with no currency for a Stringer trade.

The last contracted player that nominated a club was Bryce Gibbs. Yet you're no doubt referring to uncontracted players, which is irrelevant.

It's funny how club allegiance adversely impacts upon common sense so frequently.

My club allegiance is irrelevant. Even with contracted players this is pretty much how the system works now and most trades go this way (i don't agree with it FWIW but while the AFLPA is powerful it will keep going that way).

 

[DanA]

And also because he supports Geelong, the only team with no currency for a Stringer trade.

The last contracted player that nominated a club was Bryce Gibbs. Yet you're no doubt referring to uncontracted players, which is irrelevant.

It's funny how club allegiance adversely impacts upon common sense so frequently.

Except he wasn't the last guy to nominate a club, Caddy probably was, he nominated Richmond.

 

[go you pups]

My point is last years draft was poor and that this years class is much better, Now they're saying this one is poor and next years is better, It never ends.

Spot on

 

[SCRAY72]

And what happens when it gets to the final hour of deadline day and nobody flinches?

Then just like Gibbs he will play at the Dogs in 2018

 

[BRWB]

My club allegiance is irrelevant. Even with contracted players this is pretty much how the system works now and most trades go this way (i don't agree with it FWIW but while the AFLPA is powerful it will keep going that way).

Clubs pay a premium for contracted players or they don't move.

Sure in this case the Dogs may want him gone. But they still aren't obligated to do a deal. Stringer will need to consider a clubs ability to satisfy the Dogs otherwise he runs the risk of running around in a development league while his salary shrinks and his life becomes even more difficult.

Honestly don't see the Cats satisfying the Dogs (not for want of trying as they are decent to deal with). Obviously EFC would need a massive shift in philosophy to get anyone of note to nominate them and player managers know it.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

easy one for me.

Essendon make it known to his manager and the Bulldogs that if he wants to come, pick 11 is on the table, no strings attached.

Essendon can get a high profile player, pay a fair price and be EASY TO DEAL WITH, and have a fair chance it will be a gamble that pays off. I see no point in dicking around with trying to make it a little bit fairer, and even less point in trying to screw the bulldogs.

Let's build a strong trade relationship on the back of the Crameri trade and build up some good will. Pay what is a fair price that shows we respect what Stringer can offer and that shows we back ourselves in to provide an environment he needs (both supportive but also with the drive and expectations that Merrett and Daniher provide).

And let's face it, whilst there is risk involved, you are far less likely to draft a player who will give you a better return that Stringer, at 11. Last time we had a pick in that range (10) we got Jake Melksham, who is no spud but nothing more than an average player.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what the deal is.

Once Stringer decides where he wants to go, that's where he'll go. It's always the way.

He won't care who can or will do the best deal, particularly after how it sounds like the last couple of weeks have panned out.

They won't even discuss the possible deal. If they want him, it'll be selling him the club.

 

[TiAn_]

And what happens when it gets to the final hour of deadline day and nobody flinches?

There isn't a chance in hell this trade isn't 90% done by the time trade week rolls around. Why do you think we told him a month in advance?

If that's your big hope for getting him it's clutching at straws.

You sound like me when we were losing Carlisle and Hibberd haha don't worry I feel where u are coming from.

Nah, I'm sure he's gone.

Except he wasn't the last guy to nominate a club, Caddy probably was, he nominated Richmond.

How many clubs were chasing Josh Caddy?

 

[BRWB]

Ultimately it doesn't matter what the deal is.

Once Stringer decides where he wants to go, that's where he'll go. It's always the way.

He won't care who can or will do the best deal, particularly after how it sounds like the last couple of weeks have panned out.

They won't even discuss the possible deal. If they want him, it'll be selling him the club.

That just is wrong. Players and managers often consider a clubs ability to do a deal. Surely EFC fans are waking up to why no one of note nominates their club?

 

[Bombermania]

Clubs pay a premium for contracted players or they don't move.

Sure in this case the Dogs may want him gone. But they still aren't obligated to do a deal. Stringer will need to consider a clubs ability to satisfy the Dogs otherwise he runs the risk of running around in a development league while his salary shrinks and his life becomes even more difficult.

Honestly don't see the Cats satisfying the Dogs (not for want of trying as they are decent to deal with). Obviously EFC would need a massive shift in philosophy to get anyone of note to nominate them and player managers know it.

The EFC club is a very different club to the one which went rogue for a decade from 2005 to the end of the saga and that can be seen by the infield results and off field results, had the club not changed the supporters would not have flocked back to it in anywhere the numbers that they have.

 

[Fozdog]

I'd expect that type of crap from an Essendon poster. Even if 2018 is just average, 2017 is pretty poor according to a lot of pundits.

Hmmm. I live in Geelong. I've always suspected a lack of identifying sarcasm from the locals.

 

[Great8]

If his preference is Geelong and no one else there is not much we can do about it, he will get there. If it's a close call between the Cats and us hopefully we up the ante and throw a few more dollars at him in the hope of turning his head. Maybe a extra $100-150k a year might do it

 

[Great8]

That just is wrong. Players and managers often consider a clubs ability to do a deal. Surely EFC fans are waking up to why no one of note nominates their club?

I think Dodo has been asked to change tact a bit by the board. Well atleast I hope so

 

[RudyBlue]

Then just like Gibbs he will play at the Dogs in 2018

Gibbs' trade request was not a falling out between a club and a player. He was more than happy to be playing FOR Carlton this year, just not IN Melbourne.

This situation appears completely different, more akin to Fev being expelled at the end of 09.

We didn't get what he was truly worth, but we got something. Pick 12 and Lachie Henderson for Fev and 27 I think.

 

[BRWB]

The EFC club is a very different club to the one which went rogue for a decade from 2005 to the end of the saga and that can be seen by the infield results and off field results, had the club not changed the supporters would not have flocked back to it in anywhere the numbers that they have.

Mate that philosophy is yet to be seen as effective until a name player nominates EFC. Given their track record, its going to take a massive leap of faith from player managers for a high profile name to nominate EFC. IMO.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

It's a bidding war not a club popularity contest. Highest bidder wins. Same thing is happening with Lever

 

[Great8]

Mate that philosophy is yet to be seen as effective until a name player nominated EFC. Given their track record, its going to take a massive leap of faith from player managers for a high profile name to nominate EFC. IMO.

I think we are back in Connors good books, speaks glowingly of us now and actually encourages his stable to stay with us. That's surely a step in the right direction as he wields quite a bit of power. I know what you are saying though, hopefully once the first big deal happens the dam wall breaks

 

[BRWB]

I think we are back in Connors good books, speaks glowingly of us now and actually encourages his stable to stay with us. That's surely a step in the right direction as he wields quite a bit of power. I know what you are saying though, hopefully once the first big deal happens the dam wall breaks

Maybe he encourages your players to stay for the same reason he encourages non EFC players to choose somewhere else???

 

[Jeff76]

If it comes down to player welfare he won't be going to Bombers.

 

[Groin guru]

Every single year: next year's draft is a super year. Pick 10 next year will have pick 3 talent.

The very next year: this year's draft is weak. Pick 10 is actually closer to pick 20 in a standard draft.

Rinse and repeat.

Probably no difference for GWS because you get 15 picks inside the top 30 every year.

 

[fronkalicious]

Dogs very tight for list spots.

Guys like Horlon-smith, ruggles, Tom Hickey, blah blah blah actually make a trade proposal worse, not better.

 

[DapperDon]

Mate that philosophy is yet to be seen as effective until a name player nominates EFC. Given their track record, its going to take a massive leap of faith from player managers for a high profile name to nominate EFC. IMO.

On a scale of Mark Alvey to Dick Reynolds just how salty will you be if Jake nominates Essendon?