Jeremy Corbyn, former UK Opposition Leader

[FredLeDeux]

At the end of the war the light horse couldnt bring their horses home (IIRC Chavel did though). Most of them shot their horses rather than gave them to the locals because they disliked them so much. On the other hand apparently the ANZACS and Turks actually got on well.

A nice little anti-semitic myth.
You ought to ask yourself about the merits of your prejudices when you need so many lies to support them.

And why so many of them lead you to make comments (like this one) so utterly irrelevant to the issues being discussed.

 

[Elroo]

At the end of the war the light horse couldnt bring their horses home (IIRC Chavel did though). Most of them shot their horses rather than gave them to the locals because they disliked them so much. On the other hand apparently the ANZACS and Turks actually got on well.




etc etc

More rubbish from our London Mouth medusala

https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/44/page54_bou

Wartime 44 - They shot the horses – didn’t they?

Australia sent more than 120,000 horses overseas. Of these, 82,000 went to India (although different figures are sometimes offered). Another 10,000 went to France with the infantry in 1916. The rest, 29,348 horses, were shipped to the Middle East to “horse” the AIF or other parts of Britain’s imperial armies between 1914 and late 1916. At the end of the war the Australians in Egypt, Palestine and Syria had 9,751 horses of all types and their fate quickly became an important consideration in the AIF’s demobilisation. Returning the horses to Australia was quickly ruled out, partly because of the disease threat they posed to Australia’s livestock industry. More fundamentally, returning them would cost more than the horses were worth. What, then, should the AIF do with them?

In France, Belgium and Britain, it was quickly decided to sell the horses to locals. The sales would recoup some money for the AIF and would assist with postwar reconstruction. Sales proceeded throughout 1919 – but only after assurances had been attained that French and Belgian butchers would not take the horses for their meat. Similar sales seemed a less likely option in Egypt, where camels and donkeys were more desirable work animals, and also because, as Lieutenant General Harry Chauvel informed AIF Headquarters, there was strong opposition to the horses being sold to those of an “Eastern nationality” because Middle Eastern standards of animal treatment affronted Australian sensibilities.

In early 1919 the Australian government decided that its animals in the Middle East would be classified according to age and fitness, with the better mounts being either passed to imperial units, pooled in remount depots for later reissue or, failing that, sold. The older and unfit horses would be destroyed. Thus in February 1919 veterinary officers began examining horses: all riding horses over 12 years old, all draught horses over 15 years old, all unsound horses and those requiring more than two months’ treatment were marked for destruction. After their manes and tails were shorn (horse hair was valuable) and their shoes removed, these horses were taken to selected spots near their camps where working parties under the command of a veterinary officer shot them with pistols. They were gutted and the skins salted (these were valuable too).

So how did the idea that so many light horsemen secretly shot their horses come about? There is no clear answer, although a misunderstanding of the official process, probably tied up with hazy memories and careless telling of the real story, seems the most likely explanation. In 1946 one of the AIF’s other literary figures, Ion Idriess – never one to duck an opportunity for literary licence – wrote that many light horsemen shot their “faithful friends” rather than see then go to the “fellaheen and the Arab”. But he had been sent home in 1918, so he certainly had no firsthand experience of these events. Family lore has no doubt played its part and claims in the Duchess of Hamilton’s First to Damascus (2002) about her father taking his horse away from camp, tying a handkerchief around its eyes and shooting it seem to fit into this category. One light horseman, J.L. Grey (writing under the pseudonym Donald Black), recalled in his memoir Red dust (1931) how he took his horse, Blackboy, from camp one morning and they spent a few quiet last hours together, but then returned to camp where Blackboy joined the other horses being taken away to be shot. The only clear case of a light horseman shooting his own horse is that of Henry Bostock, who recalled the experience in his book The great ride (1982); he was detailed to work on the destruction parties and he shot his horse quite officially.

The notion that light horsemen, following Oliver Hogue’s suggestion, quietly slipped away from camp with their horse in early 1919 and then returned alone is persistent, and is one of the most often-heard stories related with the often mythologised light horse. The evidence indicates, however, that it never happened.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/07/21/4050309.htm

A difficult fate

For the horses that made it through the battles, the outlook was not good. "The men faced a dreadful choice," explains Susan. By the time the war was drawing to a close, there were no funds or supplies to get the remaining horses back to their homelands. "So the men had to face either leaving their horses behind in Egypt, or they could destroy them humanely," says Susan. Leaving the horses in Egypt was not the preferred choice; the country was poor at the time, and horses were used in mines and on the street. "A lot of the men chose to take their horses out into the desert and shoot them, rather than leaving them behind and not knowing how they would end up," says Susan. "For the rest, the vast majority tragically ended up used as pack animals on the mines." The five horses that did make it back to Australia and New Zealand belonged to high-ranking officers in the military, and were lauded as heroes upon their return.

 

[its free real estate]

Medusala isn’t wrong, my great grandfather was in Gallipoli, fought through to 1919. Hated the “gypos” until the day he died, but didn’t mind the Turks.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Yet you think the EU making laws in the UK is ok.

#consistencyfail

You are such a dickhead. Years after the referendum you voted in and still no clue what the EU actually is.

 

[Elroo]

Medusala isn’t wrong, my great grandfather was in Gallipoli, fought through to 1919. Hated the “gypos” until the day he died, but didn’t mind the Turks.

Yeh medusala is wrong again. Most of "them" didn't shot their horses becauses they disliked the locals so much.

As per the Australian War Memorial article, the decison was made to shot horses due to a combination of the costs involved, the age of the horses or quarentine concerns.

 

[its free real estate]

Yeh medusala is wrong again. Most of "them" didn't shot their horses becauses they disliked the locals so much.

As per the Australian War Memorial article, the decison was made to shot horses due to a combination of the costs involved, the age of the horses or quarentine concerns.

In one of the sources you cite, it explicitly says they had the option to leave them to the locals, but didn’t because they would be put to work in awful conditions.

 

[Elroo]

In one of the sources you cite, it explicitly says they had the option to leave them to the locals, but didn’t because they would be put to work in awful conditions.

Thats correct, most of "them" didn't shot their horses becauses they disliked the locals, it was because some of the remaining horses deemed to old or unfit would be put to work as pack animals as they were considered of lower value than camels and donkeys. Those horses deemed to old or unfit for reuse were shot under orders from veterinary officers, not becuase they disliked the locals.

https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/44/page54_bou

In early 1919 the Australian government decided that its animals in the Middle East would be classified according to age and fitness, with the better mounts being either passed to imperial units, pooled in remount depots for later reissue or, failing that, sold. The older and unfit horses would be destroyed. Thus in February 1919 veterinary officers began examining horses: all riding horses over 12 years old, all draught horses over 15 years old, all unsound horses and those requiring more than two months’ treatment were marked for destruction.

In all, 3,059 of the AIF’s horses were destroyed in this way by members of Australian or British military forces.

So how did the idea that so many light horsemen secretly shot their horses come about? There is no clear answer, although a misunderstanding of the official process, probably tied up with hazy memories and careless telling of the real story, seems the most likely explanation. In 1946 one of the AIF’s other literary figures, Ion Idriess – never one to duck an opportunity for literary licence – wrote that many light horsemen shot their “faithful friends” rather than see then go to the “fellaheen and the Arab”. But he had been sent home in 1918, so he certainly had no firsthand experience of these events. Family lore has no doubt played its part and claims in the Duchess of Hamilton’s First to Damascus (2002) about her father taking his horse away from camp, tying a handkerchief around its eyes and shooting it seem to fit into this category. One light horseman, J.L. Grey (writing under the pseudonym Donald Black), recalled in his memoir Red dust (1931) how he took his horse, Blackboy, from camp one morning and they spent a few quiet last hours together, but then returned to camp where Blackboy joined the other horses being taken away to be shot. The only clear case of a light horseman shooting his own horse is that of Henry Bostock, who recalled the experience in his book The great ride (1982); he was detailed to work on the destruction parties and he shot his horse quite officially.

The notion that light horsemen, following Oliver Hogue’s suggestion, quietly slipped away from camp with their horse in early 1919 and then returned alone is persistent, and is one of the most often-heard stories related with the often mythologised light horse. The evidence indicates, however, that it never happened.

 

[its free real estate]

Thats correct, most of "them" didn't shot their horses becauses they disliked the locals, it was because some of the remaining horses deemed to old or unfit would be put to work as pack animals as they were considered of lower value than camels and donkeys. Those horses deemed to old or unfit for reuse were shot under orders from veterinary officers, not becuase they disliked the locals.

I can tell you now, they didn’t like the locals and did not want their horses in their hands.

Unless you think young men from Northam and York in the early 20th century were beacons of tolerance and understanding. Lol

 

[Elroo]

I can tell you now, they didn’t like the locals and did not want their horses in their hands.

Unless you think young men from Northam and York in the early 20th century were beacons of tolerance and understanding. Lol

No you can't Ripper, I'ii take my advice on the destruction of ANZAC horse post WW1 from the Australian War Memorial rather than our resident race baiter and his little mates.

 

[its free real estate]

No you can't Ripper, I'ii take my advice on the destruction of ANZAC horse post WW1 from the Australian War Memorial rather than our resident race baiter and his little mates.

The AWM has a vested interest in whitewashing the digger myth for modern attitudes. The reality is different, the ANZACs hated the “gypos” and would rather have shot their horses than let them have them.

 

[its free real estate]

Also I’m not Ripper, you sad bastard who paid a few grand to see Bill Clinton speak.

 

[Elroo]

The AWM has a vested interest in whitewashing the digger myth for modern attitudes. The reality is different, the ANZACs hated the “gypos” and would rather have shot their horses than let them have them.

Oh FFS Ripper , you are now accusing the AWM of falsifying records about the destruction of ANZAC horses post ww1 in the ME. They've been able to falsify records for a century until uncovered by some of our resident traincrashes, you Ripper, our resident racebaiter medusala.

“gypos”

Nice bit of racism Ripper

 

[its free real estate]

Oh FFS Ripper , you are now accusing the AWM of falsifying records about the destruction of ANZAC horses post ww1 in the ME. They've been able to falsify records for a century until uncovered by some of our resident traincrashes, you Ripper, our resident racebaiter medusala.



Nice bit of racism Ripper

You are seriously deranged goaldrush.

 

[Elroo]

It appears this hatrad of in your words; "gypo's" extending to Frane aswell Ripper.

https://baroquehorse.com.au/100-years-for-the-anzac-horses-in-war/

At War’s End

At the end of the war, quarantine and cost determined that no horses would be officially returned to Australia so horses were categorized and disposed of in the most cost effective way. In France horses belonging to Australia were categorized as X, Y and Z in addition there was a class D. In reality due to such large numbers of horses available to the British Army, virtually all of the Australian horses were classified Y, Z and D.

Class X animals Transferred to British Army

Class Y animals 11,539 Sent to remount depot for sale to farmers in England

Class Z animals 8,194 Sold direct to farmers in France/Belgium

Class D animals 1,543 Sold to Butchers in France/Belgium

In Palestine horses were classified as A, B, C and D.

Class A animals Transferred to the British Army

Class B animals Sent to remount depot; British occupation forces in Palestine

Class C animals Made available to the Indian Army

Class D animals Destroyed.

 

[its free real estate]

It appears this hatrad of in your words; "gypo's" extending to Frane aswell @Ripper.

Are you so mad your fingers keep slipping?

Do you have autism or something

 

[Elroo]

You are seriously deranged goaldrush.

You've been shown to be wrong again, I'ii take the word of the AWM over you and medusala anyday of the week.

 

[its free real estate]

It appears this hatrad of in your words; "gypo's" extending to Frane aswell Ripper.

https://baroquehorse.com.au/100-years-for-the-anzac-horses-in-war/

Err ...

Class Y animals 11,539 Sent to remount depot for sale to farmers in England​

​

Class Z animals 8,194 Sold direct to farmers in France/Belgium​

How much of a bozo do you have to be to cite sources that prove yourself wrong?

 

[Elroo]

Are you so mad your fingers keep slipping?

Do you have autism or something

Your usual nothing contribution Ripper. You're giving BruceFromBalnarring a run for his money with his defence of Pell.

 

[its free real estate]

Because, as Lieutenant General Harry Chauvel informed AIF Headquarters, there was strong opposition to the horses being sold to those of an “Eastern nationality” because Middle Eastern standards of animal treatment affronted Australian sensibilities.​

https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/44/page54_bou

APOLOGISE TO MEDUSALA YOU CRETIN.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Many AIF soldiers were racist and condescending to locals the moment they stepped off the ships in lands beyond the seas. These were young British men in the 1910s. They were willing to kill Germans. How open-minded do you think they were toward Asians and Africans?

 

[Elroo]

Err ...

Class Y animals 11,539 Sent to remount depot for sale to farmers in England​

​

Class Z animals 8,194 Sold direct to farmers in France/Belgium​

How much of a bozo do you have to be to cite sources that prove yourself wrong?

Thanks Ripper, so you admit your're wrong in your support of the racebaiter. There is not evidence to support yours or his claim that most of them shot their horses rather than gave them to the locals because they disliked them so much.

Its up their with your previous claim that the Coaltion are the same party.

 

[its free real estate]

Thanks Ripper, so you admit your're wrong in your support of the racebaiter. There is not evidence to support yours or his claim that most of them shot their horses rather than gave them to the locals because they disliked them so much.

Because, as Lieutenant General Harry Chauvel informed AIF Headquarters, there was strong opposition to the horses being sold to those of an “Eastern nationality” because Middle Eastern standards of animal treatment affronted Australian sensibilities.​

Its up their with your previous claim that the Coaltion are the same party.

Never the claim, bozo. You are functionally illiterate.

 

[Elroo]

Because, as Lieutenant General Harry Chauvel informed AIF Headquarters, there was strong opposition to the horses being sold to those of an “Eastern nationality” because Middle Eastern standards of animal treatment affronted Australian sensibilities.​

https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/44/page54_bou

APOLOGISE TO MEDUSALA YOU CRETIN.

Oh Ripper you HF, you are now selectively quoting the AWM, and organisation you only just attacked!

The notion that light horsemen, following Oliver Hogue’s suggestion, quietly slipped away from camp with their horse in early 1919 and then returned alone is persistent, and is one of the most often-heard stories related with the often mythologised light horse. The evidence indicates, however, that it never happened

.

 

[its free real estate]

Oh Ripper you HF, you are now selectively quoting the AWM, and organisation you only just attacked!

I never attacked them, I said they sanitised history for modern sensibilities. This is not an attack.

Take a deep breath and calm down, then reply when you have something sensible to say, little man.

 

[Elroo]

Because, as Lieutenant General Harry Chauvel informed AIF Headquarters, there was strong opposition to the horses being sold to those of an “Eastern nationality” because Middle Eastern standards of animal treatment affronted Australian sensibilities.​

Never the claim, bozo. You are functionally illiterate.

its free real estate said:
LNP are effectively a single party.

Between you, DanIQ26 and our resident London Pest, the Conservative side of politics is challenged.