Jesse Hogan(mini-draft)- priority for us

[free at last]

I don't like the idea of giving away 3 players for a kid who won't play for 18 months also don't think those combinations of fringe players ever works in this situation the Clarke idea seems more realistic.

I feel we're better off keeping Moller and picking a KPP or mid in the 1st round as I think this will help us more with any premiership push next yr.

If we picked shaw,I doubt he'd even get a game with us next year IMO.

 

[Taylor]

Jesse Hogan has played in the ruck, funnily enough. He'll be great for the Bulldogs or Melbourne. Instantly has more physical presence than Jarrad Grant and Jack Watts.

 

[theGav56]

Jesse Hogan has played in the ruck, funnily enough. He'll be great for the Bulldogs or Melbourne. Instantly has more physical presence than Jarrad Grant and Jack Watts.

Yes they may trade early picks for a shot at him. But if they take Hogan, then the likelihood of either Stringer, Shaw or Jachs slipping to us grows.

 

[free at last]

Yes they may trade early picks for a shot at him. But if they take Hogan, then the likelihood of either Stringer, Shaw or Jachs slipping to us grows.

If we can't get Hogan getting stringer would be unreal.

 

[rgauci]

I posted this in another thread but it probably is best suited here:

Wonder if we'll do a double dip with GWS similar to what Brisbane did with gold coast. They have already stolen Palmer so will need our permission to take any further players. Potentially playing out like the following:

Ibbotson to GWS
End of first round selection to us from AFL (compensation pick)

Deal Part 2:
Compensation pick, 1st rounder and Moller to GWS
1st mini-draft pick (Jesse Hogan / Jack Martin) to us

End result:
From our end: Ibbotson + 1st round selection + Moller = Jesse Hogan
From their end: 1st Mini-draft pick = Ibbotson, compensation pick, 1st round selection, Moller

Not saying it has to play out that way but just an example of the double dip. AFL throwing in a compensation pick. Personally i'd like to keep Moller (read my signature). But if Ibbotson and a 1st rounder gave us a minidraft selection it would definitely be worth it.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I posted this in another thread but it probably is best suited here:

Wonder if we'll do a double dip with GWS similar to what Brisbane did with gold coast. They have already stolen Palmer so will need our permission to take any further players. Potentially playing out like the following:

Absolutely bang on the money - Freo (and the other clubs who lost players) stand to make the biggest gains from trade week using pre-generated draft picks that cost you nought.

It's a pity you guys traded your compo pick last year in anticipation of getting Clark - because GWS will be hungry for the compo picks to extend their draft concessions. So should you say lose Clarke/Ibbotson (under the brennan rule) then you would have had two draft concession picks as an attractive starting point.

 

[rgauci]

Absolutely bang on the money - Freo (and the other clubs who lost players) stand to make the biggest gains from trade week using pre-generated draft picks that cost you nought.

It's a pity you guys traded your compo pick last year in anticipation of getting Clark - because GWS will be hungry for the compo picks to extend their draft concessions. So should you say lose Clarke/Ibbotson (under the brennan rule) then you would have had two draft concession picks as an attractive starting point.

We managed to draft Hayden Crozier who looks a very likely type. We are pretty happy with the selection, but in hindsight i think the club would have kept the end of 1st round selection for the very reason you suggest.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

We managed to draft Hayden Crozier who looks a very likely type. We are pretty happy with the selection, but in hindsight i think the club would have kept the end of 1st round selection for the very reason you suggest.

Ultimately comparing who you got and who you might have got is a complete hypothetical.

However if Crozier turns out to be a star - Mitch Clark's change of heart might have been a doubly good result for you guys.

 

[rgauci]

Ultimately comparing who you got and who you might have got is a complete hypothetical.

However if Crozier turns out to be a star - Mitch Clark's change of heart might have been a doubly good result for you guys.

Ultimately this year Mitch Clark would have ended the debate between Zac Clarke, Kepler Bradley and even at times Jon Griffin's inclusion in the team (mainly while Sandilands was playing). Provided he didn't hurt his foot and knock himself out i could see Mitch Clark helping us progress deeper into the finals. In terms of cap space and list management, we wouldn't have Sheridan and possibly another young player, and wouldn't be in the running to gain Goddard or anyone of similar ilk.

I'm still not sure whether missing out on Clark is a good thing or a bad thing, if Melbourne didn't throw the kitchen sink we probably would have secured him for pick 16 on a reasonable salary. Melbourne despite his heroic efforts early in the season are still tethered to the bottom of the ladder.

Zac Clarke is young and has the potential to be as good as Clark. A few more preseasons and we may see his value sky rocket. Despite his dissapointing end to the season Zac started the season in great form. If not given many opportunities this year i think he would have been looking to be traded. Particularly if he was behind Mitch Clark (forward/ruck), Sandilands (ruck) and Griffin (ruck). There would ultimately be no position for him in the foreseeable future. We would have traded him and ultimately got a bad deal.

So personally:

Missing Mitch Clark is the lesser evil than losing Zac Clarke for below value and potentially getting a free agent.

 

[Dormammu]

Barrett reporting on AFL (The Wash-Up) that we're looking to trade heavily with GWS for Hogan.

 

[headache1]

Pick 10 and Davis compo for Crouch and Luke Brown who I think was rated around 20

You can bet GWS would be mighty pissed that we finished 2nd this year, as it ends up being picks 10 and 21.

Who gets into the mini-draft this year I think will very much depend on the level of interest from GC, Melbourne, and the Bulldogs. Pretty hard to compete with picks 2, 3 and 4, 5 and 6 respectively, especially without first round compensation picks.

 

[democritus]

Wonder if we'll do a double dip with GWS similar to what Brisbane did with gold coast.

it.

If a trade is to eventuate, this scenario would be my preference.

 

[democritus]

Barrett reporting on AFL (The Wash-Up) that we're looking to trade heavily with GWS for Hogan.

Hmmm.

Just a quick question for any clued up posters. I remember that earlier in the year the consensus was that Martin and Hogan would be 1 and 2 respectively in the mini-draft. Has the situation changed much at all? Could Hogan now be seen as the better prospect given that teams in a position to secure the first pick (Doggies/Melbourne) are after power forwards themselves?

If the lay of the land has shifted, will this affect our interest in participating. Sure, it would be fantastic to get Martin, the kid is a freak, but we have depth in the midfield whereas our KPF stocks are non-existent.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Hmmm.

Just a quick question for any clued up posters. I remember that earlier in the year the consensus was that Martin and Hogan would be 1 and 2 respectively in the mini-draft. Has the situation changed much at all? Could Hogan now be seen as the better prospect given that teams in a position to secure the first pick (Doggies/Melbourne) are after power forwards themselves?

If the lay of the land has shifted, will this affect our interest in participating. Sure, it would be fantastic to get Martin, the kid is a freak, but we have depth in the midfield whereas our KPF stocks are non-existent.

Martin is the better player, and if a club needs\wants a forward rather than a mid they would just bid for the second pick.

I would expect Melbourne to have a crack at Martin as they need to build there midfield, although I imagine the other 16 clubs would love to get him as well.

Melbourne could draft Grundy, Martin, Pick 13 ( Jake Stringer) and Viney. This draft could set them up for the next 10 years.

 

[Bender571]

Absolutely bang on the money - Freo (and the other clubs who lost players) stand to make the biggest gains from trade week using pre-generated draft picks that cost you nought.

It's a pity you guys traded your compo pick last year in anticipation of getting Clark - because GWS will be hungry for the compo picks to extend their draft concessions. So should you say lose Clarke/Ibbotson (under the brennan rule) then you would have had two draft concession picks as an attractive starting point.

I'm pretty sure you can only do a Brennan like deal with uncontracted players, ruling Clarke out, but making Ibbotson's current uncontracted status interesting.

 

[malpaso]

Barrett reporting on AFL (The Wash-Up) that we're looking to trade heavily with GWS for Hogan.

The next Pavlich.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I'm pretty sure you can only do a Brennan like deal with uncontracted players, ruling Clarke out, but making Ibbotson's current uncontracted status interesting.

FIrstly, yes they need to be uncontracted. I don't quite recall Brennan's contract status at the time. I have a sneaking suspicion he was contracted and rescinded it. However a contract is only an agreement between two parties - they are allowed to change their agreement.

Therefore if Zac and Freo come to an agreement to end his contract - then voila - he is uncontracted.

 

[Ghost Pig]

This draft could set them up for the next 10 years.

More likely that it will ruin the lives of four talented young men.

 

[estibador]

You can bet GWS would be mighty pissed that we finished 2nd this year, as it ends up being picks 10 and 21.

You haven't finished 2nd yet - final draft positions of the top 8 are decided after finals.

But yeah, lowest you can finish now is 3rd I think.

 

[strobe00]

If the lay of the land has shifted, will this affect our interest in participating. Sure, it would be fantastic to get Martin, the kid is a freak, but we have depth in the midfield whereas our KPF stocks are non-existent.

If we had the choice between Hogan and Martin I'd be surprised to see us go with Hogan. Martin has pace, skill and x factor... and would add a heap to our midfield. Ross has said we need pace and class in the midfield.

For what it's worth, I think we have zero chance of scoring the first pick in the minidraft anyway. We may be able to wangle the second, and I reckon that'll be Hogan as Martin will have been taken.

As for depth in our midfield, Hill is the only player that has Martin's combination pace and skill. And even Hill isn't as dangerous in the forward line and overhead than Martin. Not enough depth there to let the kid go, but the point is moot as we won't get a shot at him anyway.

 

[headache1]

If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty sure the draft picks go based on where you finish by the end of the finals series. Unless you beat the Hawks this week, you'll end up third or fourth. Not much difference I guess, but any little bit helps.

Didn't realise that. As was pointed out above, the lowest we can finish is third. Either way, I'm still pretty damned happy with picks 10 (2011) and 20 (2012) for Crouch and Brown.

 

[strobe00]

Didn't realise that. As was pointed out above, the lowest we can finish is third. Either way, I'm still pretty damned happy with picks 10 (2011) and 20 (2012) for Crouch and Brown.

What if Sydney also got knocked out. Would it go back to comparitive ladder position, so you guys would finish below them... at fourth?

 

[headache1]

What if Sydney also got knocked out. Would it go back to comparitive ladder position, so you guys would finish below them... at fourth?

Good point. Seeing as they beat us in week one it may have elevated their position. Anyway, I'll let you guys go back to talking about Hogan.

 

[Freo_4eva]

I don't know what the best we could offer is or how things are valued. I don't expect GWS will pick deep into the draft as they have a stack of early picks. I could see a trade like our 1st rounder + Clarke being attractive to them (I am picking Clarke as possibly the fringe player we have who I think may have the most appeal to them, but we may be able to sell them another player such as Silvagni, Ibbo etc). Very attractive. Now obviously we would not want to lose Clarke, But GWS can give us other things in the trade that do not have any impact on them such as third round draft picks and players like Lee.

We lose; 1st rounder + Clarke

We gain; Hogan, Lee and third rounder

Its a flight of fancy i know, but would do this in a heartbeat.

 

[shenanigans]

Any clips of this Hogan bloke?