Autopsy Jesse Hogan - Worth 220 Points

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This thread should be renamed the Inane Thread or the Mitchell Woodcock Thread immediately.

 

[raffrox]

I actually really don't care about respect so much it's more about behavior and how kids are brought up/taught at the moment. They can do poorly at something and be told they did well but it's simply not true yet the child thinks it's fine. Then when they do get told they did poorly at some point they are shocked, dismayed and the world is evil.

Nothing here is about the world staying the same or doing things 'their' way. Failure and Success go hand in hand and children need to learn that instead of being bathed in pep talks all day.

This video sums it up. Turning Point

Piers Morgan?

Snow flake?

For real?

So are you a big Piers fan?

When Piers was a child would have been statistically the best time ever to be alive as well. What's his point?

I've got a cupboard of participation trophies from school/sport 25-30 years ago. I feel I'm doing ok.

Young people these days have to deal with a highly casualised workforce and more uncertainty in many ways and more mature topics sooner than I ever had to.

Its exactly what I was saying. Old person saying they should be tougher like his generation was.

 

[Steinfreo]

Dude def has something going on. As a recovered mental case I can relate. The alarm bell rang for me was when he hit his own head really hard on the field a few times when something didn't go right. The guy has text book anxiety vibes, I hope he's getting help because although drugs do work it's always only temporary. He may need to be medicated but I'm not sure how that would effect an elite sportsman

 

[Square Peg]

Piers Morgan?

Snow flake?

For real?

So are you a big Piers fan?

When Piers was a child would have been statistically the best time ever to be alive as well. What's his point?

I've got a cupboard of participation trophies from school/sport 25-30 years ago. I feel I'm doing ok.

Young people these days have to deal with a highly casualised workforce and more uncertainty in many ways and more mature topics sooner than I ever had to.

Its exactly what I was saying. Old person saying they should be tougher like his generation was.

I disagree. There are challenges in every generation, even the boomers that were my parents had challenges, ask my mum about the rules where a woman that had been in the job doing well for years was automatically the first one sacked in favour of a married man when jobs got tight.
The fundamental difference today is the primacy of feelings over reason and stoicism. The mental health crisis in part exists because as a poster said above, people are reaching adulthood having never been allowed to fail, and when they get here and finally do fail they can't cope.

 

[WilloTree]

ydraw is easily the Biggest Tabs fan on here and by a fair margin. This poster has stuck loyal to him through thick and thin since day one.

Dont get me wrong, I like Tabs. Not the most talented but he works his guts out. Fully fit and top form, easily in our best 18 as a CHF or a forward flanker as a 2nd or 3rd tall just like Cam McCarthy.

Hell even if Hogan and Lobb is out through injury, I dont mind Tarberner as a FF being double teamed and goalless if Cam McCarthy is Freed up as a 2nd tall as a CHF or forward flanker kicking 3-5 goals.

I would love him to play all 22 games this season as he can easily kick 30 goals. But knowing Freos luck, Best case Scenario is he will Kick around 25 goals from 16-18 games.

I'd so like this to be true - but the realist in me knows that Tabs:
-has never played 22 games in a season. He played 15 in 2015 and 17 in 2016. His other years were 4, 9, 8, 9, 9
-hasn't reached 10 games in any of the past 3 years
-his best goal tally was only 18 - in 2016
-is coming back from a stress fracture in his foot
-hasn't played a game of footy since May 2019

Fair to say he's facing a few obstacles.

 

[WilloTree]

Hahaha...... No.

Jeff farmer trade was very good.

Troy longmuir.... Meh.

Colin Sylvia. Free agent.

Harley Balic... Would of been a solid 20 disposals a game player and a 200 game player if it wasn't for his mental health.

Jesse Hogan looks like a bust but meh he wasn't the only tall forward we traded in 2018.
Ed Langdon wasn't a bad kick.

Loved his game winning set shot goal vs Collingwood in preseason of 2017.

I also loved his goal vs Geelong last year.

How did you miss Viv Michie? traded for Pick 54 (which we used on Brady Grey). One of those trades where you can just imagine both clubs were bored shitl*ss waiting for trade month to finish and needed something to pass the time.

There's win-win trades. Lose-lose trades. Win-lose trades and the Viv Michie Meh-Meh trade.

 

[raffrox]

I disagree. There are challenges in every generation, even the boomers that were my parents had challenges, ask my mum about the rules where a woman that had been in the job doing well for years was automatically the first one sacked in favour of a married man when jobs got tight.
The fundamental difference today is the primacy of feelings over reason and stoicism. The mental health crisis in part exists because as a poster said above, people are reaching adulthood having never been allowed to fail, and when they get here and finally do fail they can't cope.

I've worked in mental health for 20 years and a for a significant amount of that in youth mental health and it's definitely not that simple.

Some of the most resilient people I've met have been young people. For starters If you watch any year 12 go through their ATAR then you'll see adversity and stress. Nothing like that when I was a kid. Theres pressures of different kinds wherever young people look these days and this belief that we've raised them soft is largely a myth. Sure, they express their feelings more but this ain't the 1950's where that's seen as being weak.

Piers Morgan is a dick with a platform to speak his opinion. That's it.

 

[Square Peg]

I've worked in mental health for 20 years and a for a significant amount of that in youth mental health and it's definitely not that simple.

Some of the most resilient people I've met have been young people. For starters If you watch any year 12 go through their ATAR then you'll see adversity and stress. Nothing like that when I was a kid. Theres pressures of different kinds wherever young people look these days and this belief that we've raised them soft is largely a myth. Sure, they express their feelings more but this ain't the 1950's where that's seen as being weak.

Piers Morgan is a dick with a platform to speak his opinion. That's it.

Who gives a toss about Piers Morgan? Irrelevant. You think I take my cue from Piers?
The ATAR is nowhere near the stress it was. In the day it was one exam 100% of the mark for the subject and one route to enter uni. Nowadays there are so many paths to uni the ATAR is an optional extra. Not saying whether that is right or wrong but you need a more convincing argument for the alleged undue stress they are under today.

 

[raffrox]

Who gives a toss about Piers Morgan? Irrelevant. You think I take my cue from Piers?
The ATAR is nowhere near the stress it was. In the day it was one exam 100% of the mark for the subject and one route to enter uni. Nowadays there are so many paths to uni the ATAR is an optional extra. Not saying whether that is right or wrong but you need a more convincing argument for the alleged undue stress they are under today.

We'll you're singing from Piers song book so apologies if I misread you as a fan.

Teen stress rivals that of adults

APA’s Stress in America™ survey finds unhealthy behavior in teens, especially during the school year.

www.apa.org

Majority of Aussie students stressed, depressed | headspace

headspace is here for you. Whether you need information or someone to talk to - we'll connect you with expert support.

headspace.org.au

Our Teens Are More Stressed Than Ever: Why, and What Can You Do About It? — Developmental Science

Every time a new disheartening statistic is released on teen mental health, I cringe. For the past seven years there’s been a downward trend in the state of their emotional well-being, and I’m waiting—hoping—for an upswing.

www.developmentalscience.com

There you go.

Parenting styles of course have an impact but the blanket idea that these some kind of inherent softness in today's young people is really too simplistic.

 

[Square Peg]

We'll you're singing from Piers song book so apologies if I misread you as a fan.

Teen stress rivals that of adults

APA’s Stress in America™ survey finds unhealthy behavior in teens, especially during the school year.

www.apa.org

Majority of Aussie students stressed, depressed | headspace

headspace is here for you. Whether you need information or someone to talk to - we'll connect you with expert support.

headspace.org.au

Our Teens Are More Stressed Than Ever: Why, and What Can You Do About It? — Developmental Science

Every time a new disheartening statistic is released on teen mental health, I cringe. For the past seven years there’s been a downward trend in the state of their emotional well-being, and I’m waiting—hoping—for an upswing.

www.developmentalscience.com

There you go.

Parenting styles of course have an impact but the blanket idea that these some kind of inherent softness in today's young people is really too simplistic.

There I go what?
I like you man, but far out you are moving the goal posts with every contribution. First of all you stated that casualisation of the workforce was the problem, then when I refuted that it is the ATAR, and then when I refuted that you're now quoting articles that talk about self reported stress as though that's a cause not a symptom of the problem.
One thing we do agree on is there is no 100% single cause, which is why I said the mental health crisis is IN PART due to lack of resilience brought on by lack of exposure to failure, Which is what your APA article says, and many other articles too. **** maybe even Piers Morgan says it.

 

[Bring back Drum]

Mental illness is as prevalent today as it was in the 70’s when I was a kid. The difference now is it has a name & is treated as an illness, which IMO is great.

The question for me is, what is the difference between mental illness & going through a tough time? & how is that separated in diagnosis, or is it?

Not so much in understating mental illness but overstating a bad run of events in ones life that can cause a depressive state. I do feel this is perhaps why some crew mention ‘softness’ when it comes to our current generation of kids & young adults.

We all went through those times with little or no help & mostly got through, perhaps a mental illness diagnosis is a little bit premature with some young adults currently & gives them an excuse?

What are your thoughts raffrox?

 

[raffrox]

We'll you're singing from Piers song book so apologies if I misread you as a fan.

Teen stress rivals that of adults

APA’s Stress in America™ survey finds unhealthy behavior in teens, especially during the school year.

www.apa.org

Majority of Aussie students stressed, depressed | headspace

headspace is here for you. Whether you need information or someone to talk to - we'll connect you with expert support.

headspace.org.au

Our Teens Are More Stressed Than Ever: Why, and What Can You Do About It? — Developmental Science

Every time a new disheartening statistic is released on teen mental health, I cringe. For the past seven years there’s been a downward trend in the state of their emotional well-being, and I’m waiting—hoping—for an upswing.

www.developmentalscience.com

There you go.

Parenting styles of course have an impact but the blanket idea that these some kind of inherent softness in today's young people is really too simplistic.

There I go what?
I like you man, but far out you are moving the goal posts with every contribution. First of all you stated that casualisation of the workforce was the problem, then when I refuted that it is the ATAR, and then when I refuted that you're now quoting articles that talk about self reported stress as though that's a cause not a symptom of the problem.
One thing we do agree on is there is no 100% single cause, which is why I said the mental health crisis is IN PART due to lack of resilience brought on by lack of exposure to failure, Which is what your APA article says, and many other articles too. fu** maybe even Piers Morgan says it.

Fair enough. You got the 'benefit' of me getting fired up about my mate Piers. One thing that I see in the older generations these days is a lack of compassion for others, particularly young people. I'm not saying you are doing that though.

Its not because of participation medals that young people are doing it tough. I also don't think the APA article says anything about a lack of exposure to failure. It's usually the crutch of the older generation with what is wrong with the current generation, which I'm not a fan of.

I've said more than a few times that I save my irrational rants for big footy so most probably not doing my best work typing on my phone on the couch I will admit.

 

[raffrox]

Mental illness is as prevalent today as it was in the 70’s when I was a kid. The difference now is it has a name & is treated as an illness, which IMO is great.

The question for me is, what is the difference between mental illness & going through a tough time? & how is that separated in diagnosis, or is it?

Not so much in understating mental illness but overstating a bad run of events in ones life that can cause a depressive state. I do feel this is perhaps why some crew mention ‘softness’ when it comes to our current generation of kids & young adults.

We all went through those times with little or no help & mostly got through, perhaps a mental illness diagnosis is a little bit premature with some young adults currently & gives them an excuse?

What are your thoughts raffox?

I understand what you're saying and I don't think theres a clear answer.

Might need more time and a different thread for that one!! Mental health literacy has increased over time so people know how to describe whats going on for them as well as there being an increase in help seeking behaviour (i.e. people going and looking for help) for a whole variety of reasons.

Added to this i think in my opinion we are living in a world where people feel less connected and less meaning/purpose. I don't think that's good for any of us let alone young people. I do think we are living in a less mentally healthy world than previous generations.

Ill bow out of this thread now I reckon.

 

[Square Peg]

Ill bow out of this thread now I reckon.

Me too, for today at least. Good discussion though. Night all.

 

[Midnite65]

Hackdorn on 6pr this morning saying we will reach a settlement with Jesse and he will never play for us again.

If Jesse doesn't have the structure of a footy club, training and footy mates around him what else is he going to do with his life? If Hackdorn is making things up like he often does fair enough but if there is any truth to it where are the leaks coming from in and around the club.

 

[Kram]

Hackdorn on 6pr this morning saying we will reach a settlement with Jesse and he will never play for us again.

So he will be ready to go round 1 then?

 

[freodog]

Hackdorn on 6pr this morning saying we will reach a settlement with Jesse and he will never play for us again.

If Jesse doesn't have the structure of a footy club, training and footy mates around him what else is he going to do with his life? If Hackdorn is making things up like he often does fair enough but if there is any truth to it where are the leaks coming from in and around the club.

We have been totally screwed over and why am I not surprised!

Gary Lyon and his media mates putting pressure on us to do the deal when they were knew full well what was going on.

I would have liked a Ben King about now.

I put this on the media page but thought it was interesting Walls didn’t mention Hogan in our spine. May make more sense now.

 

[wild side]

Hackdorn also said that Harley wouldn't play for us again.
Look how that turned out.
I'd say Jesse is out the door.

 

[Ge3ks]

Hackdorn on 6pr this morning saying we will reach a settlement with Jesse and he will never play for us again.

WTF. Are things that bad? And does that mean he might play for someone else, but just not Freo? Need clarification.

 

[dexter_]

Hackdorn on 6pr this morning saying we will reach a settlement with Jesse and he will never play for us again.

Was he choking back tears when he said this or does he only get emotional when it involves WC players?

 

[Bring back Drum]

WTF. Are things that bad? And does that mean he might play for someone else, but just not Freo? Need clarification.

We do, but if Brennan Cox is training with the forwards next session, that may be the clarification that he’s finished with us.

 

[Kram]

Hackdorn also said that Harley wouldn't play for us again.
Look how that turned out.
I'd say Jesse is out the door.

Crumpet Face iirc also once said that Kennedy was out for the season one morning, he then played later that night and for the rest of the year.

 

[Wizard]

We do, but if Brennan Cox is training with the forwards next session, that may be the clarification that he’s finished with us.

Seems like an extravagant way of looking at it.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Crumpet Face iirc also once said that Kennedy was out for the season one morning, he then played later that night and for the rest of the year.

remember that, also IIRC ahead of a derby (maybe first derby in 2018?) he claimed that about 3-4 of the Eagles best players (Yeo, Kennedy plus one or two others from memory) were all in serious doubt due to being injured and were unlikely to play. Each one of them played

 

[wayToGo_]

I originally thought he was called crumpets because there were more holes in his stories than there are in a crumpet.